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Originally posted by tsanyc tsanyc wrote:

Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

After day 1 of play with old 05 one side and m2 the other against players day 2 I got m2 both sides.

The black seems grippier but it is a few days newer.  It also looks shinier and glossier but that could be the black mirror effect.


why would Donic make the black better than the red?  Just like the Red T05 is better than the Black T05?
 
I think it relates to having to make the red sheet opaque.  A "normal" red topsheet would be a bit translucent, but with the blue sponge underneath, the red colour would be changed too much.  So they make the red topsheet opaque in some way, which changes its behaviour in some way.  The red sheet does look more plastic-y to me.
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My bat is m2 red brand new first time playing against a person.
old tenergy 05 black.

My friend's bat is medium old 05, very old barracuda reverse bh


this was the first time using the rubber to compare it.  I will soon upload another where I have double m2 - which I didn't like as much.

I like m2 on forehand for now... not sure bout bh
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Thanks for the update.  
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I am using Hurrican Hao 656 Cpen with TG3 black now. Would like to get Hao III Cpen and asking for advise if any (M1, M2 or M3 black) will suit this blade's FH best. BTW I am a looper rather than hitter.
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  From what seems to be an ITTF racket control list, Martin Olejnik played Bluefire M2 both sides during the Czech Open. You can see his match vs Wang Zeng Yi of Poland (very good player, has beaten Kishikawa and Süss, took Chuang Chih-yuan to 7 sets) on http://ittf.com/ittv/ 

Open the Czech Open video tree, the match is in the main round but just do a browser search (typically ctrl-f) for Olejnik and you'll find the game.



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I am contemplating ...
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from the video it seems he hasn't adjusted to the rubbers completely yet. 

and also it looks kinda bouncy for the FH short game, service return etc. 

i am ordering one for my BH though.
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Should I try the M2, Hmmmmmmmmmmm, should I or should I not, Should I or should I notErmm!!
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It's strength is forehand power counterlooping.  On backhand I felt it was still excellent to get the ball back away from the table, but seems to missing something that 64 or 05 have at that distance when on the backhand.  

I am definately still adjusting to it.  The above video unfortunately doesn't show the stuff I'd like to.  My opponent would be too embarrassed.  

The thing I am very sure about right now is that it doesn't counter loop over the table or near the table very well at all, so I end up blocking too much.  

I wonder what m3 would be like at the table for counterlooping with backhand.  
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I just had a thought, since I think they are faster than 05, I will stick them on an all round blade.  Should bring the spin  speed ratio closer to comfortable.

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Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:


I just had a thought, since I think they are faster than 05, I will stick them on an all round blade.  Should bring the spin  speed ratio closer to comfortable.


You can see my setup in my sig. Haven't been using it that long yet but still of the three singles games I played in comp last night 2 of the players could not consistently land my openers/loops on the table period. The thrid player was able to but only with very soft blocks. Anything he tried to hit flew out 95% of the time. I would say close to the table performance is great with this setup.
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boz,  what blade are you using with the M2????
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Wow boz, some of those loops looked bloody ridiculous, like you were painting a mountain. I think I understand why you don't like it on the backhand, too much sticky lift, not enough forward angle for small strokes/bh. Here is what I've compiled from the info from this thread.
M1=plays like a hard T05 
M2=plays like T05(a tad softer)
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I'm borrowing the thread a little (already too many BF threads in here). I would like someone to compare the M3 with calibra lt sound or magna tc, if possible?
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Originally posted by Prowler Prowler wrote:

I'm borrowing the thread a little (already too many BF threads in here).
I would like someone to compare the M3 with calibra lt sound or magna
tc, if possible?



I've used lt sound. M3 is slower in all gears, feels slightly harder, has a lot more spin, higher throw.

M3 is much better for looping. Calibra has the edge for blocking and hitting, but not by much.
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As long as we're threadjacking, how would the m2 and m3 compare to the vega pro? 
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softer, faster, same spin, better feel  .. and higher durability.:)
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Originally posted by debraj debraj wrote:

softer, faster, same spin, better feel  .. and higher durability.:)

Are you responding to the comparison to Vega Pro?  If so are you referring to the m2, m3 or both?  And how much softer?  As soft as Vega Europe?
I'm disappointed that it doesn't have more spin, but like idea of better durability and feel.  I don't really need the faster though.


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Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by Prowler Prowler wrote:

I'm borrowing the thread a little (already too many BF threads in here).
I would like someone to compare the M3 with calibra lt sound or magna
tc, if possible?



I've used lt sound. M3 is slower in all gears, feels slightly harder, has a lot more spin, higher throw.

M3 is much better for looping. Calibra has the edge for blocking and hitting, but not by much.


What blade did you use lt sound on? Do you use the same blade now?
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Originally posted by Prowler Prowler wrote:

Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by Prowler Prowler wrote:

I'm borrowing the thread a little (already too many BF threads in here).
I would like someone to compare the M3 with calibra lt sound or magna
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I've used lt sound. M3 is slower in all gears, feels slightly harder, has a lot more spin, higher throw.

M3 is much better for looping. Calibra has the edge for blocking and hitting, but not by much.


What blade did you use lt sound on? Do you use the same blade now?

Lt sound was on a Samsonov Alpha, and before that a Nexy Calix. Bluefire is on OSP Virtuoso+. 
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In your opinion, M2 is a pretty good rubber overall for looping and hitting?  Which is better black or red?
 
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Originally posted by tsanyc tsanyc wrote:

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In your opinion, M2 is a pretty good rubber overall for looping and hitting?  Which is better black or red?

 

thx

 

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Alot of ppl have thought that the red topsheet has less grip than black. With that in mind you could expect the normal differences such as slightly lower throw, slightly less spin and slightly less sensitivity to incoming spin. I have M3 both sides and can't pick the difference. I would say decide what you want more and pick that color.
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Originally posted by hookumsnivy hookumsnivy wrote:

Originally posted by debraj debraj wrote:

softer, faster, same spin, better feel  .. and higher durability.:)

Are you responding to the comparison to Vega Pro?  If so are you referring to the m2, m3 or both?  And how much softer?  As soft as Vega Europe?
I'm disappointed that it doesn't have more spin, but like idea of better durability and feel.  I don't really need the faster though.

damn i agree, the durability thing is a big plus for me, but i still need more spin

i know lots of ppl say baracuda has tons of spin, how does m2/m3 compare to baracuda in spin?
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Originally posted by tsanyc tsanyc wrote:

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In your opinion, M2 is a pretty good rubber overall for looping and hitting?  Which is better black or red?
 
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Yes, M2 has a good hit and block. M3 isn't bad at these either, but the extra softness moves it more to the looping end of the spectrum. M2's hardness is the closest to T05's. 

I thought the black had more grip when running my finger across it, but I couldn't feel any difference during play. Still not sure if there's any real difference between the colours. 
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Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:


Originally posted by tsanyc tsanyc wrote:

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In your opinion, M2 is a pretty good rubber overall for looping and hitting?  Which is better black or red?

 

thx

 

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Yes, M2 has a good hit and block. M3 isn't bad at these either, but the extra softness moves it more to the looping end of the spectrum. M2's hardness is the closest to T05's. 
I thought the black had more grip when running my finger across it, but I couldn't feel any difference during play. Still not sure if there's any real difference between the colours. 


I never bother with tests that don't involve normal play. Things like the ball bounces x number of times or this far or this feels like it has more friction that that etc.... The only real test is to hit with it and compare. I have M3on both sides and if I twiddle I wouldn't pick which side I had just hit with. Its possible that "IF" there is a difference the softer sponge of M2 and M3 would help hide it so with that in mind I suggest pick the color that you either need and don't worry, or get the color that better suits what you prefer (slightly higher/lower grip).

BTW: on the subject of Barra VS Mx. Barra has more topsheet grip than any other Donic rubber. So you can expect more spin from it, easier lifting of underspin, and difficult block/counter loop compared to M2.
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Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by tsanyc tsanyc wrote:

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In your opinion, M2 is a pretty good rubber overall for looping and hitting?  Which is better black or red?
 
thx
 
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Yes, M2 has a good hit and block. M3 isn't bad at these either, but the extra softness moves it more to the looping end of the spectrum. M2's hardness is the closest to T05's. 

I thought the black had more grip when running my finger across it, but I couldn't feel any difference during play. Still not sure if there's any real difference between the colours. 
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So the black M2 plays like T05, is that right?
 
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Originally posted by tsanyc tsanyc wrote:

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So the black M2 plays like T05, is that right?
 
Thx
 
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My lawyer-friendly reply is that M2 plays the most like T05.  It's not a clone.  It feels the closest of the three BF's in terms of sponge hardness.
 
All three BF's have some of Tenergy's qualities, especially when looping.  That's it's strength.  I always had trouble adapting to Tenergy's low-speed bounce and spin reactivity.  BF is much better here.  The trade-off is that BF lacks the effect Tenergy has on slow loops - you have to put more effort in with BF for those.
 
To me, this makes it a better fit for my game.  I can open with a strong loop against backspin, and then I get the big arcs of Tenergy in the middle-range looping game.  Also, the low speed control makes serving short a lot easier than Tenergy, pushing is easier (fewer pop-ups for me), hitting seems more stable.  And it's half the price.
 
If you're used to Tenergy, then you've probably adapted to suit its characteristics already.  You might find that BF's lack of liveliness in the short game is a negative point.
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A lot of ppl compare M2 being closest to tenergy 05. I play M2 and I like it a lot. Haven't played 05 so can't compare.

How would you rate M3 in comparison to M2.
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