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Carryboy 
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I personally do not find T05 all that special (good but not anything special). Then again I am not a high level player 1800 - 2400 and beyond. I did like and was getting used to T05Fx but when the price reached 69 buck and climbing, now at around 80 that was pretty much it for me. There are a lot of good new generation rubbers out there which are very good and in my opinion surpasses T05 in spin, speed and control. However the new generation of ESN rubbers are nearing Tenergy in price like the 1Q, rhyzm, and I am sure the new green Hexer and Blue Sponge Donic will be in the $60 range
Speaking of newer generation rubbers has anyone tried the Tibhar Aurus regular. That is a dissapointing rubber and a huge let down where I am concerned. I find Acuda S3 better in every respect. I did find the Aurus soft version very good also. So I guess that is the reason why that rubber is still under 50 bucks
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batt
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Posted: 04/10/2012 at 1:36am |
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I've tried Tenzone and Hexer HD, both new generation ESN tensors, and to me T05 is spinnier than both. But that doesn't mean these rubbers aren't very good.
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Posted: 04/10/2012 at 2:41am |
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Any reviews of this? I've seen it for $65, starting to get curious
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manyaku88
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Posted: 04/17/2012 at 2:58am |
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Here in Romania it's 41$ straight from the shelf.
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Blade: Bty BalsaCarbo X5 FL
FH Bty Tenergy 05 2.1 BH: Palio Aeolus 45* 2.2 |
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legout_de
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Posted: 04/18/2012 at 7:45am |
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Could already compare this rubbers? How close is the M1 to Rakza 9 and Rhyzm?
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seguso
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Posted: 05/12/2012 at 3:58am |
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no review yet? in the italian forum, some people have tried bluefire m1 and say this time it is very similar to t05, only maybe a bit slower. same spin (even more actually), same high throw, same arc. (otoh this is also true for vega pro which has been out for years). they do not specify if the behavior of m1 is the same as t05 in all situations.
the problem with vega pro is that it is less controllable than t05, less immediate and predictable, less reliable. let's hope bluefire fixes that. if they succeed, t05 prices would drop. Edited by seguso - 05/12/2012 at 8:16am |
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the_theologian
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Posted: 05/12/2012 at 4:06am |
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i wish you were right but I think the butterfly zombies won't even notice
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seguso
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Posted: 05/12/2012 at 4:10am |
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well, if demand for t05 drops, they will notice. the question is: will demand for t05 drop? if bluefire is a good t05 substitute, i'd say so. |
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mikepong
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i hope so but come to think about it, sriver which is a classic rubber also increased in price and its not actually a high demand rubber nowadays, so maybe tenergy prices will drop but not in the early future i guess
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seguso
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Posted: 05/12/2012 at 7:20am |
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You say: the demand for sriver dropped, but how come the price increased? The reason can only be that the supply of sriver dropped even more than the demand. (i.e. it is more profitable for butterly to produce something else than sriver). So no actual puzzle there. |
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They're all manufactured in Japan, aren't they? Have you seen the graph of $/yen this decade? Perhaps what we think of as Demand / supply issues or BTY arrogance is just their getting sc$€£ed by the exchange rate?
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seguso
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I don't see what you have in mind. how do you think exchange rates can sc$ew butterfly? |
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ejmaster
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Posted: 05/12/2012 at 8:18am |
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I don't think there are butterfly zombies. I think most people wants to find a t05 replacement. No one likes to pay more $. But the t05 still keeps on being ahead. And furthermore durability is also ahead. That is all. I had Vega pro and imo is worse rubber than t05. Less control and less lively.
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slevin
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Yen has become massively stronger due to among other reasons, the flailing of exotic interest rate derivatives traders in Europe & Asia on their Power Reverse Dual Callable notes (PRDCs) & the reversal of the carry trade. $/¥ was 123-odd just 5 years ago. Now it is <80.
I have no idea of Tenergy history but let's say that the rubber is atleast 5 years old & was selling at $54 back then. Today, in order for BTY to sell for the same ¥ as they did back then the price would have to be $83?
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seguso
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Posted: 05/12/2012 at 8:49am |
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couldn't it just be that more dollars have been printed than yens, through the years? |
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slevin
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Posted: 05/12/2012 at 9:33am |
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Could be but it isn't Sent you a pm. |
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mikepong
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Posted: 05/12/2012 at 10:18am |
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maybe your right, its just that i remember back in the 90's when all of the club members were using sriver but now only a few uses them, not just in our club but on all clubs that ive visited. but im just saying this by experience and have no concrete evidence of the statistics worldwide if indeed there was an increase in sriver demand
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Posted: 05/12/2012 at 10:55am |
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I'm waiting for m3. |
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Posted: 05/12/2012 at 7:28pm |
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Same here.... HURRY UP DONIC!
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Are you guys really so eager to 60 dollars for something which is closely enough duplicated by sub-$30 rubbers like Palio tensors or some Galaxy rubbers etc..?
I am not saying they are the same, I am just saying that adjusting your technique to play with Galaxy Mars II or Palio Blitz would be more or less the same as doing it for Bluefire... probably. |
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http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/tt-rubber-donic-bluefire-m1 it sells her for 35eu about $46us spend 100euros 10% discount 200euros 20% discount 300euros 30% discount you can mix and match blades and rubbers for discount so 10% discount would bring the price down to $41 free ship included on purchases over 50euros.
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metalone
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This is a mini review, since I only played with it for 30 minutes - warm up and FH look.
Current Set up - Blade Nittaku Barwell - FH Aurus max, BH Aurus Soft max. Rubber Donic Bluefire M1 Thickness Max Blade Xiom Stradivarius The rubber had a wobbly feel, a little like Tenergy, and is heavy like it as well - didn't weigh rubber, just feel. Out of the package the rubber was flat - no positive or negative curl, but it had a distinctive tuner smell. Just bouncing a ball on the rubber, I could feel that it was fast - the ball went very high. Warming up FH to FH was controllable and of course fast. Away from the table, the rubber was fast as expected, and counter looping was a breeze with a lot of spin, I over hit the table a couple of times, but most of the balls landed, the extra spin brought the ball down to the table. On slow / spinny loops, I could feel the ball bite into topsheet and create a significant amount of spin, but it took more effort since the spong was on the medium / hard side for Euro rubbers. A friend of mine rated ~2300 had a few hits and realy like the control / speed / power ratio, he said it had a lot of control for the speed rating. I have a tournament in a couple of weeks, so I probably won't play much with it until after it is over. Also it has been a long time since I played with Tenergy, so I won't be able to compare the two, but I do have a few old sheets in my closet. I purchased two rubbers from Tabletennis11, received the 30% discount, final cost ~$33.
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Gave up listing, too many changes.
Blade - Yes BH - Rubber Red FH - Rubber Black |
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Posted: 05/13/2012 at 2:08am |
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Ciao Seguso, sorry for off-topic but could you send me the link of the italian table tennis forum link. Grazie  |
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Posted: 05/13/2012 at 2:09am |
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Of course a LOT of people like to pay more money... or at least can't get past their pride to give something inexpensive (cheap is the dreaded word) a try. how many players will never try 2008xp regardless of what's said about it? (the answer is a LOT)
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There may be other good performing rubbers on the market that are cheap.... But for myself I have been playing with ESN rubbers since I started playing "real" table tennis. I have used plenty of good rubbers that can produce great strokes but I have years of exp now with certain rubbers so when I change I basically suck. I am keen to get my hands on the M3 for controllable speed with spin and that ESN tensor feel which I love.
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I am starting to think that the weight is something you have to have to get this kind of performance.
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Posted: 05/13/2012 at 10:55pm |
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How is the durability of aurus? on an average how many months do you change 1 sheet of aurus?
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Viscaria
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I have been using the same sheet for two months.
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Gave up listing, too many changes.
Blade - Yes BH - Rubber Red FH - Rubber Black |
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Is it a good BH rubber to attack with?
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