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metalone
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I am using the soft version on my BH and yes it is a very good attacking rubber. There are three versions, the soft is the middle hardness.
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Gave up listing, too many changes.
Blade - Yes BH - Rubber Red FH - Rubber Black |
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power7
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What are the two other hardness description?
First time using european rubber, is it soft like butterfly, or not really soft like DHS sponges.
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DHS PG-7, H3 Neo, 729-5
Butterfly Power-7, Red TG2 Neo 39degree, Black Donic Bluefire M1 |
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metalone
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I like soft rubbers on my BH for flicking and opening loops, but I don't like them for attacking. I feel when a rubber is too soft, faster strokes causes the ball to stretch the topsheet more, which results in a non-linear response or errors. The soft version isn't too soft, I have no problem attacking or flicking. Per Tihbars description: Aurus = Medium+ Aurus Soft = Medium- Aurus Sount = Soft
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Gave up listing, too many changes.
Blade - Yes BH - Rubber Red FH - Rubber Black |
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AndySmith
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That is so blue.....
They weren't lying, were they?
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This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
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Pondus
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I love the blue sponge... I really the tendency to have funky colored sponges instead of everything ranging from baby-pee yellow to muted orange.
Spice up those rackets.
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bluebucket
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You can tell from the way it cuts that is the latest gen Tensor topsheet and sponge again, aka Rasant. It looks very similar to Rasant
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bluebucket
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Cut, where that sheet has been cut in the factory, the older Tensors don't cut in the same way because the sheet is made from a different rubber. Hexer HD, Rasant and Bluefire all cut the same more smooth way
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kolevtt
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Tibhar Aurus is heavy and not so durable rubber. It is spinny and speedy, but even the topsheet of red one I noticed it has some dark sports on the finger's places. Best for playing is the Soft version with yellow sponge and it is middle-elastic. If you need Aurus, just get it only in black.
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kolevtt
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This rubber from Donic I think is with the same topsheet as Xiom rubbers, only sponge is different. Can somebody compare these rubbers, I will be glad to know.
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High_Arc
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Donic states:
"The top rubber with its small, long pimpled-in structure lends the rubber the best possible flexibility and sensational feeling." I personally have never experienced a rubber where small, long pips on the inside of the top-sheet did anything good (at least not for the FH). Take for example Hurricane 3 or T05. These rubbers get their high control (or let's say predictability) precisely because there top-sheet does not have long small pips on the inside! And of course because of their high surface grip (but it seems that ESN finally managed to get a comparable amount of grip considering the surface). I would be willing to bet that the Bluefire will soon get a significant amount of not so good reviews. |
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speaquinox
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As you wrote Donic states somethings about flexibility and feeling. I don't read anything about predictability or high control here. Actually pips can be seen in the pics above, nothing that extraordinary. Also I read some positive reviews on the German forum. Probably it's tick faster and spinnier than previous generation Donic tensor (maybe S1T).
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AMonteiro
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Yes, this topsheet looks really close to Omega 4 judging by this pictures. My bet is that M1 is just an Omega 4 Asia (47,5°) with blue sponge instead of black. |
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power7
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Got the sheet of M1 max sponge black in medium-hard.
Will glue and test with robot tomorrow.
-Number of possible playing hours advanced by 50%...what does that mean? Edited by power7 - 05/15/2012 at 9:39pm |
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DHS PG-7, H3 Neo, 729-5
Butterfly Power-7, Red TG2 Neo 39degree, Black Donic Bluefire M1 |
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right2niru
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The playing hours quote is always present in any of the new FD rubbers produced from donic and it states exactly the same way ;)
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bluebucket
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Most of the Chinese forehand rubbers have the ratio of topsheet thickness to pimple height with the pimple height being much less than the sheet thickness like you say, this gives you great stability but less easy spin production. H3 is closer to 50-50 than the real traditional FH rubbers like TG3, H2 and 999. T05, Hexer, Vega Pro, Rasant, Bluefire all these rubbers have taller pips with the ratio about 50-50. Some specific backhand rubbers use much taller pips than thickness in the topsheet, Shark II being an obvious example.
Edited by bluebucket - 05/16/2012 at 12:35am |
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PedramTT
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+++1 long small pimple will never be good for forehand. |
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power7
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As you can see they advertise control only 6. While speed and spin are 10++. They could make up their minds about it being OFF or OFF+. And sponge is described as medium-hard. Very objective benchmarks indeed. max sponge M1. That star burst makes me feel like I can take on Timo Boll. Made in Germany, but printed in English. What market is this rubber for. I see like 6 languages on the packaging. ITTF approval number 21-025. Just got to pass the VOC test and it's good to go. Camera is not the greatest but I'm trying to focus on the sponges of the M1 and my old T05. The pores on the M1 are much larger and I can bend the sheet much more easily than the T05. Here I'm trying to focus on the pips. As you can see the pips on the M1 are thinner and they are spaced further apart. Initial impressions is that this rubber is on the softer side of the rating scale. Seems very pliable. I would think that would make this rubber pretty easy to play with. But even Donic is giving at only an above average control rating. I wonder what surprises are in store for me tonight when I test the rubber. Now to prep my trusty-ol' power7 and glue the M1 with Haifu water base VOC free glue. Review coming soon when I play against the robot later tonight. Hopefully I beat the robot this time, we're currently tied in the league...lol.
Edited by power7 - 05/16/2012 at 2:32pm |
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DHS PG-7, H3 Neo, 729-5
Butterfly Power-7, Red TG2 Neo 39degree, Black Donic Bluefire M1 |
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power7
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Just cut the rubber to the blade. It was very soft. First time using Donic rubber, but I was able to cut the rubber in one pass with very little force. Not like the DHS Neo or Tenergy the require me to use a lot of force to cut through.
Initial impressions. It is a little lighter than T05. Almost as soft as BTY Sriver G2 FX when holding on the BH side.
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DHS PG-7, H3 Neo, 729-5
Butterfly Power-7, Red TG2 Neo 39degree, Black Donic Bluefire M1 |
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power7
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Play 2 hours with the rubber. My impressions are it is a pretty good rubber, easy to pick up if you're use to softer sponges and rubbers. It is similar in the sense the throw arc and stoke mechanics used are similar to tenergy05. The differences it that the sponge isn't as sensitive as T05 in terms of catapult effects. With T05 even on serves with low toss the spring sponge would kick the ball sometime over the net too high. With M1 this was not an issue.
BH flicks was one of the strong point of this rubber, like T05. The rubber felt like it could pick up anything of the bounce and generate strong spin with this stroke. Compared to the DHS TG2 Neo on my forehand the spin was slightly less when using the same stroke. However, I felt is was slightly more than T05 because there was no sudden activation of sponge's catapult effect, so one could generate more spin with more dwell time. Looping, driving, counter hitting are all pretty much predictable. Loops on BH and FH against topspin and backspin were pretty easy to do as well. Did a couple of long distance chops with my power-7 setup since there were some Korean people checking me out. When in Rome as they say...had to adjust for the higher throw arc and catapult effect of the sponge when hitting hard. But doable. Short game took a while to adjust too but doable. Got a lot of curious players checking out the blue sponge at the club I was training at. Had to tell them no it is not the CNT special rubber. Overall there is no real glaring flaw or strength for this rubber when playing an attacking style. It's a no drama get the job done kind of equipment...must be the German engineering. Edited by power7 - 05/19/2012 at 9:43am |
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DHS PG-7, H3 Neo, 729-5
Butterfly Power-7, Red TG2 Neo 39degree, Black Donic Bluefire M1 |
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Mahmood
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seguso
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I played for one minute with bluefire m1 black max on a viscaria. I only did fh loops against block, for one minute.
It is definitely similar to t05 in behavior: the throw is very very high, and stays high no matter how you hit the ball or how much power you put or how much you brush. IN this, it is much more similar to t05 than vega pro. (Vega pro's throw is higher than t05 in half-arm loops, but flatter in full arm power loops.) Spin is at least as much as t05, but regular t05 users say M1 has more spin. I can believe that. My impression is that the rubber is not very fast (not like calibra), probably a bit more than vega pro, like t05. So it is very, very similar to t05. I derive this impression from the fact that I played with a viscaria and the racket overall was not much faster than my OC + Vega pro. But the feel is not like t05. in particular, the topsheet seems a bit softer than t05, probably like vega pro. as a result, the feeling is more "liquid", I don't know how to explain. Another impression is that this rubber is more difficult to play with than t05, less forgiving, and less tolerant of imprecision. I had the feeling when I was out of position I was about to miss. But I am not sure about that, as I only played 1 minute, and because it is inconsistent with my other impression (that the throw is the same regardless of how much you brush and how much power you use). Edited by seguso - 05/19/2012 at 1:59am |
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bluebucket
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Interesting, it's that water bed liquid feeling that I don't like in Tenergy. Rasant is a bit more natural feeling for me with comparable spin which is why I'm liking it. It depends on what type of rubber you prefer.. I guess lots of people love that wobbly feeling and will really love the bluefire if that's how it is
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vvk1
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Hmm, everyone keeps saying that Bluefire's throw is at least as high as Tenergy 05's. And I don't recall anyone ever claiming that about Omega IV Asia. So either Bluefire is nothing like Omega IV Asia or the level T05 fanboyism on this forum has significantly dropped. My money is on the former.
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AMonteiro
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It's good then.. I hope they improved the durability compared to Acuda S1..
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Carryboy
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How heavy is the sponge compared to Aurus that you were using???? I should have a sheet by Wensday next week, hopefully.
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Carryboy
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50 grams cut!! that is heavy
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Carryboy
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I know what you mean and I suspect you may be right. I do get the same sensation from the Acuda S1 Turbo that satisfying feeling of loading on the blade and even more satisfying when it reaches your opponents end of the table.
The Acuda S1T is the only one of the new generations of tensors that I have played with. I have had it on my blade now for 7 weeks. Excellent rubber!!!! I hope the Bluefire will be just as good or even better. Time will tell |
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bluebucket
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Sounds good Fatt, if you get a chance to have a hit with Rasant at your club if some players are using it I'd be interested in hearing how the different pimple height and spacing changes the way these two siblings play. Rasant seems to play well on FH and BH with it's neutral standard sized pips, however because Bluefire is a little less conventional maybe it is even better on one side ?
Edited by bluebucket - 05/20/2012 at 12:44am |
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Carryboy
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Fatt glad to hear you like it.
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Spin Master Carbo Power (Stefan Elsner Custom)
Donic Acuda S1 Max Donic Acuda P1 Blue Max |
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bagung
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blue fire M1, M2, M3, is it the same sponge hardness as Acuda S1, S2, S3..?
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TB ZLC, Innerforce ZLC, HK3, HH3, HL2 Cpen......
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