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elcapitan_thfc
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But I mean players are bound to be caught out sometimes by short serves and many players don't do everything 'by the book', Just look at Kreanga and Schlager!
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D--- guys chill!
Let me first try to understand what everyone is saying here. liXiao, you seem to mean that one should step under the table with dominant foot e.g. right foot for right handers. elcap, GG, you seem to say that (as a rightly) step small with left, then get under the table with right leg. No need to speak as though the sky is falling, there's some overlap in what you're saying. My thoughts: As one's stance gets wider, center of gravity is lower, stability and thus power increases. The cost is more footwork. That first step gets you in position to plant the foot. Certainly pros have the power to get where they need to in one step - but the two step is more stable especially if you're a bit away from the table (as many are when receiving service) |
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tommyzai
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OK, let's say I'm in my ready stance (squared, but right foot slightly back, on balls of feet, rocking slightly, etc.), then a ball is served fairly short in the middle or to either side (a two bouncer). What do I do with my feet?
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liXiao
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You are correct by what I meant. And also I receive very close to the table so I have no need to move left foot~
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Lol to be honest I didn't think it was getting heated...
Just one point though I would disagree that you get more power once your stance widens - in TT power comes from transfering your weight from your back leg and exploding forwards but this is alot more difficult once off balance...
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GorgeousGordy
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If you have no need to move left foot and stand very close to the table when receiveing li xiao... What would u do if I served long? Just give up and catch the ball? If I disguised my long and short serves you would have no chance! |
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elcapitan_thfc
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My take would be to take a small step forwards with your left foot and then move in with your right leg, hopefully enabling you to make a quick recovery.
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GorgeousGordy
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That's right I would second that.. If you have any ambitions to be a good player don't listen to li xiao!!!!!
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liXiao
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Listen Gorgeous Gordy, this is a forum of opinions, and while they can disputed, you can't talk bad about another's opinion~
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GorgeousGordy
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I can and I just did... your oppinion is rubbish. Whether you are trying to ruin people's games on purpose i don't know. Just because you know some random useless information about people and their equipment you seem to think you run this forum. Well listen here... you don't if you post bad advice I will be the first to tell you to stop!
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tommyzai
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Guys,
I appreciate all the advice that you've been sending my way and all ways for everyone, but no worries about bad advice. Tommy Zai et al will sort it out and decide what's best. I'm grateful to all of you, even though your about to go in the cage in a fight to the death. We're all in it together. No worries. BTW, if I did move in with the left foot first, would I have to do anything initially with the right foot if I were able to get to the ball comfortably? In all fairness, I've been going in with the right foot as if I were going to be flipping the ball. In this case, and maybe just this case . . . I'm not sure . . . going in under the table with the right is recommended. Still, I'm now leaning towards the left so I'm in better position for the next shot. |
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liXiao
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How about you learn not to be an asshole~
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tommyzai
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Me? |
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Halibass
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How about just try to STEP IN with the right if you're right handed. If you can't do it comfortably without a shuffle with the left or a hop first, then do whatever it takes. :) No big deal. Some pros step with only the right, some turn their left foot first, then step with the right, others do a little hop with both before stepping.
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liXiao
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No gorgeous gordy. He has caused nothing but trouble since he came to this forum~ |
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GorgeousGordy
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And you have talked nothing but rubbish since I have been here. |
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theman
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gordan, i would suggest u refrain from putting down comments of lixiao.
this is not a friendly debate at all, but an argument which is offensive and is not constructive towards anything. if you dont stop this offensive behaviour, we will call forum mod to deal with this madness. lixiao has been here alot longer than u and we know he likes to contribute to the topic, helping out, as chrnos said, its simply miscommunicaiton, so if u dont think he said it right, please clarify rather than saying someones comments is rubbish. |
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tommyzai
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Hey guys, I'm still trying to get clear on what the heck to do with my feet when that serve is coming. Is there a right or wrong way?
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BAND!T
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its hard to actually say how much to step, but the smaller the steps the better. moreover, the quicker the steps are better, moreover the quick stable steps are the best. its all just anticipating the serves. its up to each person to figure out how they want to approach a certain serve, but as for basic guidelines... whatever is posted above is held true. maybe if you asked more specific questions lol, we can answer accordingly.
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TT_Freak
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What george is talking about is a split step. Every sport in the world has some variation of it, some call it twinkle toes, others call it light feet. Either way the quick bounce only serves to get you to the ball faster. Its entirely possible to play without it, since table tennis doesn't need you to cover much real estate at all, and anyone worth his salt should be able to reach a long serve.
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this is base in my exp. if u are good on footwork and receiving serv with u forehand u can stand more to the left. I stand on the backhand side and receiv serv mostly with forehand or try to killer the serv if it is hight enought. try that. |
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praywin
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The initial foot movement depends a lot on your stance.
Most players stay a lot to the left side with their right foot well behind the left foot (almost 30-40 angle to the table). In case of a short serve, if you get serve to the backhand you move the right foot in line with the left foot and play a backhand push. If you get a short serve to your forehand or middle of the table you move the right foot well ahead of your left foot, under the table and play a forehand push. If you get a long serve on the backhand, you move your left foot back a little and play a backhand drive/loop. If you get a long serve on the forehand, you lick your lips and hit a forehand drive/loop. You'll see most players with this stance moving their right foot ahead while returning all serves. However, their is a difference in how much they move the right foot while return serve on backhand and forehand. Now if you are standing more towards the center (like ovtcharov) with your feet almost aligned to the table you slide left or right more than moving front and back. The default for serves in the middle is to return with backhand. |
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With the ordinary initial stance. And if the person serves cross court, you would usually move your right foot to where you need to go.
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theman
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is that like a boxer jumping around left to right but at the same time moving forward to his opponent? [in this case the table?] i saw jonyer in a video so some very similar boxing footwork when recieving serve... |
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stefanoa
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I want just add that if you are right handed and you need to receive a short serve you have to move your right foot under the table for both BH and FH. In that way you slightly rotate your shoulder moving your right arm closer to the ball.
If you step with the left foot you rotate the shoulder on the other way and leaving your right arm away form the ball. The opposite is for the left handed player. hope this help |
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