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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

My knee issues have nothing to do with the fact that the most important aspect of a stroke from an input perspective is the quality of contact made with the ball. 


This is especially true of serving.  If you don't make the right contact, the serve will suffer.
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My knee issues have nothing to do with the fact that the most important aspect of a stroke from an input perspective is the quality of contact made with the ball. 

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Actually, let me withdraw my objection to the tip. I guess we should all practice what works for us. I am a firm believer in generating the swing the legs and body. So when I first read the tip, it occurred to me, if you focus on contact first - people will tend to hit using just the arm - in my opinion this not a good thing to do. However, as Nextlevel pointed out on numerous occasions - he has mobility issues due to bad knees - so that might not be possible to do.  TT newbie also had specific issues and his/her coach was able to help with this tip. So while I may not agree with it, doesn't mean it might not work for others.

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I had no idea that tip was so complicated.  I thought all it meant was not to tense all your muscles like you are doing a bench press when all you want is to swing a 180 gram / 6 ounce paddle fast.
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Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

My coach once said: "The ball is very light, so why the hell you´re spending this amount of energy of arms, shoulder and legs? Focus on the contact of racket against the ball, this is important."
So just tap the ball back and forth? 
Yes!  Big backswings with poor timing end up leading to taps - so why tap with a big backswing when you can tap with a small backswing and make good contact and more power with less energy?
Ok, I agree with poor timing you'll end up with poor shots. However, if you want to play the game properly you really need to swing using power from your legs and core muscles. So I would disagree with this tip.
Hookumsnivy explained it, but in any case, we can agree to disagree.  A hitter doesn't always generate power from the legs and core muscles.  A hitter mostly generates power by timing the ball properly - taking it at the highest point and going through it.  Even a looper - most of the pros have done significant muscle building and working out so that their strokes can be relatively short and time the ball and still generate loads of power.  Those of us who haven't done that muscle building try to do what we think is emulating the pros (hitting the ball hard) when we should be focusing on timing the ball properly and then trying to hit the ball hard.  Many semi-pros/pros who learned the game in childhood never appreciate this because they didn't have to go through the pain of getting better as adults after having no game as children.  They put in lots of hours around higher level players and learned this by osmosis.
 
It's one thing to play the game how higher level players play it if you were taught how to as a child, but it's another to understand why they are telling you this and whether it helps you given your limitations as a player.   When you focus on contact, you can see what your racket angle is.  You will see that you can hit the ball hard with shorter swings and more open racket angles.  IT's especially important when playing players who play more slowly. You can generate all the power you want, but if you mistime the ball, it doesn't matter.  I tap the ball with far more power than many people who loop the ball with their bodies because when they do so, they graze the ball, while I smack it.
 
Another example - try serving with a high toss serve.  You will find that very often, you can get more spin than you expect by simply letting the ball drop on your paddle and doing a short relaxed motion.  But if you try to use a faster motion, you end up mistiming the ball and getting less spin and poor control.  Power isn't everything in this sport, even if you play it "properly".
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Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

My coach once said: "The ball is very light, so why the hell you´re spending this amount of energy of arms, shoulder and legs? Focus on the contact of racket against the ball, this is important."
So just tap the ball back and forth? 
Please don´t be intellectually dishonest. You know what it means.
Actually, that tip doesn't make sense to me. Nextlevel, mentioned he found it useful after 3 years - maybe it will make sense to me at a later time. Right now it makes no sense to me, unless he wants you to play a blocking game and not generating any of your own power. 
Man, now I have doubts if you are saying it on purpose or if you are really limited on your interpretation. 
When my coach said it of course he didn´t mean to stand still. There is no table tennis if you don´t move. Problem was I spent much energy when hitting the ball and it was leading to nowhere but poor control, not to mention tendinitis.
So he said I should concentrate my energy on the impact because the right contact with less force will make a faster and better shot than a powerful move with wrong contact or wrong timing.
Does it make sense to you now?
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Originally posted by hookumsnivy hookumsnivy wrote:

I think what the coach was saying is to focus more on contact.  Power is useless unless you can make the right contact.  So start by learning to contact the ball correctly before you start trying to add power.  If you don't contact the ball correctly, adding power is likely going to cause problem.  I don't think he was suggesting to just tap the ball.
If you don't get a feel for the right contact first, then when you are swinging with your legs and hips you won't have instant feedback on whether you hit the ball correctly which makes adjustments difficult.
I think this is more important for beginners and if I had to guess was suggested because the player was hitting the ball hard but missing A LOT.  There are a few players at my club that just hit the ball harder (if it comes back, even harder) and their consistency suffers.  Gain consistency first (through good contact) before adding power.
Someone understood! Thanks for your words. I don´t have patient enough to go word for word as you did. 
I just thought it wouldn´t take much to understand a tip like that...
Just TAP the ball? Please... 


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Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

My coach once said: "The ball is very light, so why the hell you´re spending this amount of energy of arms, shoulder and legs? Focus on the contact of racket against the ball, this is important."
So just tap the ball back and forth? 
Yes!  Big backswings with poor timing end up leading to taps - so why tap with a big backswing when you can tap with a small backswing and make good contact and more power with less energy?
Ok, I agree with poor timing you'll end up with poor shots. However, if you want to play the game properly you really need to swing using power from your legs and core muscles. So I would disagree with this tip.

I think what the coach was saying is to focus more on contact.  Power is useless unless you can make the right contact.  So start by learning to contact the ball correctly before you start trying to add power.  If you don't contact the ball correctly, adding power is likely going to cause problem.  I don't think he was suggesting to just tap the ball.
If you don't get a feel for the right contact first, then when you are swinging with your legs and hips you won't have instant feedback on whether you hit the ball correctly which makes adjustments difficult.
I think this is more important for beginners and if I had to guess was suggested because the player was hitting the ball hard but missing A LOT.  There are a few players at my club that just hit the ball harder (if it comes back, even harder) and their consistency suffers.  Gain consistency first (through good contact) before adding power.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

My coach once said: "The ball is very light, so why the hell you´re spending this amount of energy of arms, shoulder and legs? Focus on the contact of racket against the ball, this is important."
So just tap the ball back and forth? 
Yes!  Big backswings with poor timing end up leading to taps - so why tap with a big backswing when you can tap with a small backswing and make good contact and more power with less energy?
Ok, I agree with poor timing you'll end up with poor shots. However, if you want to play the game properly you really need to swing using power from your legs and core muscles. So I would disagree with this tip.
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Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

My coach once said: "The ball is very light, so why the hell you´re spending this amount of energy of arms, shoulder and legs? Focus on the contact of racket against the ball, this is important."
So just tap the ball back and forth? 
Please don´t be intellectually dishonest. You know what it means.
Actually, that tip doesn't make sense to me. Nextlevel, mentioned he found it useful after 3 years - maybe it will make sense to me at a later time. Right now it makes no sense to me, unless he wants you to play a blocking game and not generating any of your own power. 
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Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

My coach once said: "The ball is very light, so why the hell you´re spending this amount of energy of arms, shoulder and legs? Focus on the contact of racket against the ball, this is important."
So just tap the ball back and forth? 

Yes!  Big backswings with poor timing end up leading to taps - so why tap with a big backswing when you can tap with a small backswing and make good contact and more power with less energy?
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Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

My coach once said: "The ball is very light, so why the hell you´re spending this amount of energy of arms, shoulder and legs? Focus on the contact of racket against the ball, this is important."
So just tap the ball back and forth? 
Please don´t be intellectually dishonest. You know what it means.
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-  Do you know you can actually spin to/at someone and win the point?  You don't have to always loop away from them.
- Stop pushing serves so much - it will get you into trouble as you get better.
- Play the match the way you played in practice. 
- If you miss, we can improve your shot.  If you don't take your shot, there is nothing to improve so you can't get better.
- When starting out, don't serve underspin because you want have an attacking mindset.  Serve no spin so that you can attack the return.  When your loop vs. underspin improves, you can start serving underspin.
- In pushing rallies, many beginners think they missed a backspin ball, when they really missed a no spin ball.  The same applies when someone pops up the ball.
- Spin to win!
- Don't give your opponent so much credit that he (almost) never needs to make a return or a third ball to win a point.  Put the ball in play first and analyze his attack.
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Figure out how to reduce your middle.  (Eric Owens).  So then we would do drills where we would rally at a moderate pace (at first) where the goal for each of us was to attack the middle. As time went on, we would speed up. He had no middle.  Mine was.........   larger.
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Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

My coach once said: "The ball is very light, so why the hell you´re spending this amount of energy of arms, shoulder and legs? Focus on the contact of racket against the ball, this is important."


It took me 3 yrs of playing to appreciate how truly deep this insight is.
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Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

My coach once said: "The ball is very light, so why the hell you´re spending this amount of energy of arms, shoulder and legs? Focus on the contact of racket against the ball, this is important."
So just tap the ball back and forth? 
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My coach once said: "The ball is very light, so why the hell you´re spending this amount of energy of arms, shoulder and legs? Focus on the contact of racket against the ball, this is important."
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Originally posted by hookumsnivy hookumsnivy wrote:

Stop trying to analyze every shot - just play.

Thats a great advice, it's very easy to think too much when you play. I have a tendency to become stagnant when I think too much. 
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Great thread with a lot of good advice. My coach often tells me to not stress to much because you always have more time than you think.  
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One that really helped me that my coach told me at the very start...

If playing with black on the forehand, you should not be able to see any of the black side when you follow through with your forehand stroke.  If you can, that means you've turned your wrist incorrectly and you'll be hitting the ball off the left side of the table (assuming you're right handed).  

Same with the back-hand.  With red on the backhand, you should not see red when completing your backhand stroke or you'll be hitting the ball off the right side of the table.  

Ensuring that you're only seeing the opposite side when you follow through with your stroke will keep the paddle flat (even though you're closed) with the table and greatly increase your accuracy/consistency.  




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Another good one from a coach in my wife's home town in China.  Most people think that they are in a perfectly neutral stance when it feels like they have equal weight on both legs.  Actually, most of the time when it feels like that, you actually have more weight on right leg (assuming you are right handed) because for most people the right leg is stronger.  Because of this you move slowly to the right on a strongly angled ball. It is almost impossible to move in that direction if the right side is supporting more of your weight, so first you have to transfer weight to left side and then move.  In worst case, you lose balance and end up with the right leg far in front of left at end of the shot.  Once that happens you are totally hosed for the rest of the point.  To avoid this catastrophic footwork error, (1) increase strength in left leg, and until that happens, (2) be aware that a truly neutral ready position is one in which it feels like there is a bit more weight on your left leg.    


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1) You must stay on your toes and move.

2) Hit from the hips.

3) Make spin.

4) The body is relaxed until the moment of contact.  Hold your breadth just before striking.

5) Use your fingers at the moment of contact.

6) The stroke is short, forward, and accelerate through the ball.



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Snivy, it is also hard for me as you saw a few weeks ago over the table all I do is punch block, but you need to use the arm like there is a hinge on a stationary elbow with arm hinging on elbow going forward like forearm is parallel to table, instead of trying to use a lot of all the body. There isn't a lot of time to do that and we are inconstant doing it like that. It is different as much as the strokes opening vs underspin and continuing attack vs block. 
 
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@dabookerman - I believe that's Jason? Yep! A player from North Carolina told me about these forums a few days ago, so I decided to check it out. There are definitely some good tips on here. 
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Originally posted by JonathanVN JonathanVN wrote:

My coach at a local club gave me some good advice on making sure that the racket is parallel to the table on close to the table shots. Obviously, the loop and longer drives will have a different racket head angle, but for shorter ranged drives, it is best to make contact with the ball at the side and to hit it parallel. This advice moved me from a 1500 player to a 1700 player in about two months. 

I must be picturing this wrong in my head.  Parallel to the table - wouldn't that mean completely open or completely closed?

It would be almost completely open. Remember, these are just for on the table drives. A better way of putting it would be that the motion of the racket is parallel. 

@dabookerman - I believe that's Jason? Yep! A player from North Carolina told me about these forums a few days ago, so I decided to check it out. There are definitely some good tips on here. 
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Originally posted by JonathanVN JonathanVN wrote:

My coach at a local club gave me some good advice on making sure that the racket is parallel to the table on close to the table shots. Obviously, the loop and longer drives will have a different racket head angle, but for shorter ranged drives, it is best to make contact with the ball at the side and to hit it parallel. This advice moved me from a 1500 player to a 1700 player in about two months. 

I must be picturing this wrong in my head.  Parallel to the table - wouldn't that mean completely open or completely closed?
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