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    Posted: 06/20/2008 at 11:15pm
what is the  plus  and  minus  of   both  blades.
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Light blades is more suitable for player who likes to use Chinese rubber on both sides. Heavy blades only suitable for soft and light japan/euro rubber.
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Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

Light blades is more suitable for player who likes to use Chinese rubber on both sides. Heavy blades only suitable for soft and light japan/euro rubber.
 
I would not agree on it. It depends on the playing style. If you want power and far from table, then heavy blade is the plus. Light blade would fit best for playing close to the table.
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tdragon has a better description i think.

also, light blades makes for faster maneuver on strokes and also quick returns...

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The minus of heavy blades above 95 gr is it's too heavy to use 2 heavy rubbers. Must use one lighter rubber to make it lighter.
The question is how many grams do you categorize as a light blades and heavy blades.
Light blades indeed makes faster manuever on strokes but I feel harder to block with light blades. Flipping against underspin with ligher blades is also more difficult than heavy blades. I prefer blades around 90 gr.
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Originally posted by rokphish rokphish wrote:

tdragon has a better description i think.

also, light blades makes for faster maneuver on strokes and also quick returns...

Yes. It is also convenient for two wing fast switching.
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Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

The minus of heavy blades above 95 gr is it's too heavy to use 2 heavy rubbers. Must use one lighter rubber to make it lighter.
The question is how many grams do you categorize as a light blades and heavy blades.
Light blades indeed makes faster manuever on strokes but I feel harder to block with light blades. Flipping against underspin with ligher blades is also more difficult than heavy blades. I prefer blades around 90 gr.
Then, try Titanium 5.4. Its among the lightest (around 75 grams)blades but very good for blocking.  
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Thanks for your info Goldfish, I'll try to look for it then Smile
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The balance of the blade is another important factor too.  I have played with light (<80 gr) and heavy (>90gr) blades and find that I don't like those with the head-heavy feel.  It just gives me the feeling of swinging a club vs. a tt racket.  Blades that are > 90gr but with good balance (like my Clipper Wood @ 91 gr) actually do not feel that heavy to me during play.
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My experience is that there are no such thing as plus  and minus...

It is all about personal preference!
For me I like light blades Big%20smile
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Originally posted by inetevo inetevo wrote:

My experience is that there are no such thing as plus  and minus...

It is all about personal preference!
Can't argue that.  Cheers!
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if u swing alot, then light blades r the way to go. fast recovery time is necessary. if u r a cheap player and block more often, then a heavy blade is good 4 the job.
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I think I loop better on a lighter blade and smash or hit better on a heavier one...

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Originally posted by Flicker Flicker wrote:

The balance of the blade is another important factor too.  I have played with light (<80 gr) and heavy (>90gr) blades and find that I don't like those with the head-heavy feel.  It just gives me the feeling of swinging a club vs. a tt racket.  Blades that are > 90gr but with good balance (like my Clipper Wood @ 91 gr) actually do not feel that heavy to me during play.
 
I totally agree with this experience as well. I find the balance of the blade is more important than the weight. A well balanced blade allows you to wield it effortlessly.
 
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Regarding the importance of balance, I have something in mind but still not sure if I should do it:

I have recently sanded down the straight handle of my Michael Maze blade to even a slimmer one. It has been sanded down 1 mm of each side (top, down, right, and left of the handle) and then rounded the corners as the slimmer handle suits a lot better in my hand.

Now the question is "should I also sand down the perimeter of the blade maybe 1 mm from the edges, so the smaller blade plus smaller rubbers that would be cut accordingly maintain a good balance?" Or even shift the weight more towards the handle, as I prefer to play with handle heavy blade rather than head heavy.
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Originally posted by turtle turtle wrote:

if u swing alot, then light blades r the way to go. fast recovery time is necessary. if u r a cheap player and block more often, then a heavy blade is good 4 the job.


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Originally posted by Arash Arash wrote:

Regarding the importance of balance, I have something in mind but still not sure if I should do it:

I have recently sanded down the straight handle of my Michael Maze blade to even a slimmer one. It has been sanded down 1 mm of each side (top, down, right, and left of the handle) and then rounded the corners as the slimmer handle suits a lot better in my hand.

Now the question is "should I also sand down the perimeter of the blade maybe 1 mm from the edges, so the smaller blade plus smaller rubbers that would be cut accordingly maintain a good balance?" Or even shift the weight more towards the handle, as I prefer to play with handle heavy blade rather than head heavy.
 
obviously the balance went up a bit after sanding that much the handle. You could add some tennis grip to have that weight back on the handle.
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I find Blade balance and total bat weight, are more important than blade weight; in my experience.

Each of us is different and it is personal preference.

Heavy blades tend to block better than light blades because of their mass. There are the exceptions like stiff lightweight blades, but in genral heavier blades are better at blocking. They also have the power to play better away from the table than a lightweight blade.

Providing you have good touch, I find heavier blades are better for flipping on serve return and short pushes too. I don't find it difficult to control a heavy blade over the table. Whenever I play with a Mazunov, I personally don't find it anymore difficult to control; than when i play with a Stiga Allround. They may be in different speed and control categories, but control is dependent on the player's ability's to control their bat in play.

My favourite blades weigh around 87-103 grams because they suit my game and i play a better overall game with them.

When I first played with the Instinct at 75 grams it felt really light. Did I swing any faster with it? yes, I founfd myself overswiging and had to adjust my swing to get my timing right. It also lacked the power I was used to with the same swing from a heavier blade. I found myself playing a closer to the table than I normally do, to take advantage of it's strength i.e. close to the table play.

Regarding swing speed, I bought a mk1 Wavestone, that in it's original form was a head heavy 88 grams. I've filled in the the hollow handle subsequently and it's now a well balanced 96 gram blade. Although 8 grams heavier, I swing the blade faster now than before. My side to side transition i.e. forehand to backhand is also quicker, as a direct result of the better balance to the blade.



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thank you peterC. Very clear.
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Originally posted by Arash Arash wrote:

Regarding the importance of balance, I have something in mind but still not sure if I should do it:

I have recently sanded down the straight handle of my Michael Maze blade to even a slimmer one. It has been sanded down 1 mm of each side (top, down, right, and left of the handle) and then rounded the corners as the slimmer handle suits a lot better in my hand.

Now the question is "should I also sand down the perimeter of the blade maybe 1 mm from the edges, so the smaller blade plus smaller rubbers that would be cut accordingly maintain a good balance?" Or even shift the weight more towards the handle, as I prefer to play with handle heavy blade rather than head heavy.
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I think heavy blades/ set-ups (especially with the types of rubbers I like) are good when doing drills and coaching, because you can really feel the bat positions in free space.

In game play, however, a heavy blade is like wielding a broadsword and can be difficult to react to spontaneous forehand backhand transitions. I find heavy bats make it harder to keep the ball on the table if you have to rush in from deep to a short push or pick up a short ball, because of the inertia. ...

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To heavy and it affects reaction to stroke and recovery. To light and it effects timing and speed of stroke. Usually heavier blades suit away from table power hitters/loopers." Medium" is such a nice word. I like em around 183gr. Anything over 192gr. feels like CraneStyle said a "broadsword".
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Originally posted by usagi usagi wrote:

I think I loop better on a lighter blade and smash or hit better on a heavier one...


You better hold two blades while you are playing. One for smashing and one for looping LOLLOLLOL
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When I started 8 years ago to play, I liked heavier blades ... Moving on, I find lighter that I prefer now. Last 3 years I am huge BALSA blades fan !
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