H3 Provincial Alternatives?

The Nittaku H3 Pro is like the non neo national H3, I think. It's hard to say which one is better between rubber types, as it's so subjective. 

Have u compare this Nittaku Neo to DHS commercial Neo ones?
Long ago I tried Nittaku old H3 ver, just to found out it was not better than DHS. Sponge was softer and less sticky surface.

The soul of rock wrote: kurokami wrote: aroonkl wrote: bluebucket wrote: In case you haven't noticed the national neos you see being sold for a ton of money are really Nittaku neo's without the sticker http://i51.tinypic.com/e8wvpc.jpg Also where could we get this? no they're not. nittaku neo's are different. they use japanese sponge. the sticker is on top and removable but they have the DHS marketing blurb printed on the casing to distinguish them. nittaku hurricane can be bought for ~$40 in japan (キョウギョウ3).  VS No, the Nittaku Neo H3 has Chinese sponge, like the DHS Neo H3. The sticker is removable, but you need to break the vacuum seal first. There are plenty other versions of Nittaku H3 which use Japanese sponge, too, so don't be confused. I'm using the Nittaku Neo H3 right now so I'm pretty confident in what I'm saying, but if you still don't believe me then check this out http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42749

@soul of rock. all reviews say it's soft (which makes sense bc the sponge is japanese design). then in the thread you referenced, i don't see any contradicting facts pointing otherwise: 

Edited by kurokami - 03/04/2014 at 1:43am

The soul of rock wrote: I really dont wanna argue with you anymore. Why dont you just get a new sheet of the Nittaku Neo Hurricane 3 and check wheather its sponge is Japanese like or Chinese like? I'm using it while you aren't and you're still claiming like you know it all...

Do not worry... I agree to you... Nittaku is hard too
And mostly like dead sponge.
Although it should use wbg, i prefer to use speedglue or at least boost it first.. So it will be more "life". Actually i choose dhs than nittaku hurricane because it has better spin than nittaku but the best of nittaku product is the intra sponge glue.. I can boost nittaku without worry that it will be broken like dhs

@bluebucket @kurokami

channyboi wrote: @bluebucket @kurokami I am incredibly confused here. Bluebucket says that the current sponge used by the CNT is #22. Kurokami says that my nationals are #22 and are only worth 60-80. I am so confused, although I am positive my hurricanes are worth at least 110, if not 100 a piece. Can someone please clarify exactly what I have; it is the same boosted blue sponge you get inside the vacuum packs, but it doesnt have packaging.

bluebucket wrote: From DHS's own mouth "Following the 22nd sponge, DHS is 40 mm table tennis develop a more flexible and delicate sponge on the 20th, but also the mainstream of Chinese national team these two sponges, with 90 percent of the athletes." I'm not going to argue either, just pointing out some things here and there

O.K. guys I need some help here, I thought the #22 blue sponge was the latest sponge,and the #19 and # 21 was failures. The # 20 was the best untill the # 22 came out. But I have also seen a # 20 blue sponge H3. So if you can enlighten me I would appreciate it.

sweetstrike wrote: bluebucket wrote: TG3 neo commercial performs equivalently to H3 provincial Could you elaborate more on this? Does TG3 Neo have a thinner topsheet than H3 Neo commercial and more mechanical grip? I'm currently using H3 Neo commercial and wishing the topsheet gripped more and slipped less. Thinking of getting a Nittaku H3 Neo, BW2 National, or the TG3 Neo to upgrade. Another question, is BW2 National a good H3 provincial alternative?

Less mechanical, more mechanical - I don't get what you mean!?

It means more gears, I guess?

"Mechanical" refers to where the spin comes from. Tacky rubbers with hard sponge (H3, Skyline, etc) give most of their spin via the chemical grip from the topsheet during brush strokes. Non tacky Eurojap rubbers use topsheet elasticity and sponge deformation to give most of their spin, and that tends to be called mechanical. Good example would be Calibra Tour - the topsheet is almost slick, and you get hardly any spin when brushing.

I can get a picture uploaded of one of the Nittaku H3 Neos if you want?

The soul of rock wrote: Glad to know that you received the rubbers

Yeah - can't wait to get back on my feet again and get using them.

OK, here we go.

First up - go to my public folder if you want to see big versions of these thumbs:

https://picasaweb.google.com/108579723250927437374/General#

Here are the thumbs of the Nittaku H3 Neo:







And just for balance, here is one of a commercial, totally unboosted, Skyline TG3 Neo on a Viscaria. The pips are more noticeable on this topsheet:



In my experience (which isn't as vast as many people on the forum), TG3N has a more elastic topsheet compared to H3N. TG3N works better for me when looping, but feels a bit more unstable during big heavy drives when compared with H3N. So, yes - I suppose you could say that TG3N is more "mechanical" than H3N. They're both still tacky rubbers though. IMO, I think TG3N is a better fit if you're coming from Eurojap rubbers - it feels like less of a dead brick than H3N does (I'm talking unboosted here). These days, I find H3N and TG3N are both less tacky than the older, non-neo sheets used to be, and they're about as tacky as each other.