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ErikaT 
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 Topic: how to make the serve more spin?Posted: 12/12/2009 at 7:30am |
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i know it is a Qn that had been asked here thousands of times, but i will like to hear your comments
here the story starts. i had been playing tt for 3 years and copied the serving style that WLQ does.
the problem is that the spin that i generate is not enough. my coach told me that because i do not fully use the rotation of the wrist; the ball was only contacted at the very last portion of the rotation movement.
so thus i toss the ball further away from my body (this will lead the blade to brush the ball during the half way the wrist rotation), but the spin is about the same.
thx for your time
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Posted: 12/12/2009 at 8:54am |
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you've just explained your problem and solution there =). you need to carry the ball more with your serve as you spin it.
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Posted: 12/12/2009 at 9:28am |
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think of catching the ball with the rubber then giving it forward momentum by 'spinning' it rather than 'pushing' it.. if that makes any sense at all..
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Posted: 12/12/2009 at 9:54am |
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catching the ball?
which part of the blade should i contact the ball??
and do u mean that i will hav to wait for the ball to be so close to the blade before i start the wrist rotation?
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Posted: 12/12/2009 at 10:10am |
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you have to brush the ball with a lot of spin using your wrist.. and you have to feel the ball..
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Posted: 12/12/2009 at 10:32am |
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just simple words...
brush the ball, contact is the tip of the racket, vigorous arm&waist motion and snap your wrist on contact... hard to do...lol |
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Posted: 12/12/2009 at 11:35am |
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You might want to try just doing a simple pendulum serve instead of the WLQ style serve, at least until you get the feeling for brushing the ball. Then once you know what it should feel like and what the ball should travel like then start doing like WLQ again.
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Posted: 12/12/2009 at 5:04pm |
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The main issue is to be able to loosen up your wrist in order to 'catch' the ball.
here's what i did in order to practice my feel. i would do a normal serve toss and open up my blade so that it is completely horizontal. your objective would be to impact the ball and not have the ball bounce upward. instead, with your serve motion, the ball should go pretty much forward at a slow pace. once you master that, you'll be getting all the spin you need while keeping the speed very slow (great for short serves). |
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Posted: 12/12/2009 at 5:15pm |
do u mean a underspin serve?
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yep =). once you get the feel of the wrist with underspin serves, you'll be able to do the same for side-under, side-top, short top, etc. you can also use the same wrist feel for long and spinny serves. basically you just spin into the table much harder and the ball will sail long with a lot of spin.
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Posted: 12/12/2009 at 9:28pm |
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i think i will be training on the serve by tomorrow and see how it goes, the only thing that i need to train on is catching the timing to start the wrist once the ball contact the blade
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Posted: 12/13/2009 at 12:39am |
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you can also practice getting spin at home by tossing the ball up catching it with your blade and spin it, this can help you to feel the ball. And with no table to aim at, you can concentrate on producing spin. To test how much spin you can put on brushing the ball, catch the spinning ball with the rubber. The more the spin, there will be more violent reaction with the rubber.
I still need to work on my service, but with an H3 when I brush the ball to my left, i can basically make the ball bend 90 degrees to my right when catching it again with the rubber. oh, and fast hand movement at contact also helps.. |
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Posted: 12/13/2009 at 7:17am |
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i will try to get some training tml back in sch and i will post something after that
thx for all the comments so far
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Posted: 12/13/2009 at 11:34am |
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My serves are horrible too!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 12/15/2009 at 5:47am |
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today i had tried some serves just using my arm (no wrist movement)
i can feel the brushing of the ball though, but not very spinny. the good thing that i can get hold of the control of the ball.
however, when i combine the wrist and arm movement together, i cant even brush the ball well and cant contol the direction of the ball
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Posted: 12/15/2009 at 10:25am |
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your serve backswing is too big. you need to shorten it up. your motion should start just a little behind the ball instead of 6 feet behind the ball. you won't get much speed out of it but that's exactly what you want.
focus on following through more with the ball and it will make up for the speed while giving you more spin. |
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Posted: 12/15/2009 at 10:30am |
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If you really want to take your backspin to the max, sit at home and practice actually coming completely under the ball and up through the table side. The natural motion of the ball would be to fall backward, but the forward jerking motion of the rubber will pull it forward. As you get better, toss the ball higher for more action. It takes a lot of practice. I have a video on my site of me doing it, but it's a couple of years old. I can do it a lot better now. Don't even try it if you're using six month old sriver though. You have to get a pretty good bite.
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Posted: 12/15/2009 at 10:32am |
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play with a spinny rubber!
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Posted: 12/15/2009 at 12:55pm |
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Use backhand serves?
For other players: Does it seem easier to make more spin on BH side? My FH pendulum serves often produce service return errors when misread (top as under) leading to easy 3rd ball kills... but my BH serves (heavy under or heavy top) frequently cause opponents lose the point outright by returning into the net or long. |
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Posted: 12/15/2009 at 1:16pm |
ErikaT, do you have a video by chance, of you serving? That'd be alot of help for seeing what you're doing. You said when you just served with arm and no wrist motion you started to feel the brushing but when you tried to add the wrist that you didn't get the brushing effect still. My guess based on that statement is that when you snap your wrist you aren't keeping the paddle in a flat plane of movement, you're twisting the paddle as you snap it. When you twist it the paddle angle vs the ball is changing and you no longer brush it and spin is gone and since the paddle angle vs the table is changing rapidly through the wrist twist you are having trouble controlling the direction.
It's just a guess though
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Posted: 12/15/2009 at 8:05pm |
oh just behind the ball, i will try it today and see how it goes.
thx everyone for the vidoes and tips so far. I will do a reply after training today
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Posted: 12/15/2009 at 8:49pm |
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iv been practicing this at the club for 2 days now. i started to get some pretty decent serves that come back.
yes having a shorter backswing helps, but to maximize the amount of spin you need a large backswing. when my coach does it, its killer. |
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Posted: 12/15/2009 at 10:19pm |
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It is more difficult to control a large backswing, as opposed to a short one. Getting the wrist accelleration and wrist snap timing takes a lot of practice. The tip about a higher ball toss adds to the difficulty of the timing, but onced trained, gets more spin. Start out with short toss and shorter backswing and build it up. On drill to do away from the table while waiting for the table is to brush under the ball, underspinning it forward to bounce on the florr a few times to get it to roll back. That helps to develop the timing and spin. |
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Posted: 12/16/2009 at 12:48am |
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if you want more spin, you just need to follow through more. more backswing = more speed. this can be bad on many levels. the most relevant part is that the serve will go long and people will loop them.
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Posted: 12/16/2009 at 10:03am |
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today i had some chances of trying the serving practise and i cant even make the ball start jumpig back
then i find the sch team coach and ask him. he told that i must 'hook' the ball which no one told me about that here
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Posted: 12/16/2009 at 10:19am |
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hook?
do you mean come up underneath and catch the "front bottom edge" of the ball (one of the ways to produce very, very slow but underspinny balls)? |
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you don't need to 'hook' the ball in order to make it come back. hooking the ball will also cause a high bounce if you don't know how to control it.
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Posted: 12/16/2009 at 6:34pm |
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Hey Erika T, is that you in the pic?
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