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Imperial 
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Played for 30 years. Have been relatively successful in my country. Just below the best players. My whole game was built around spin. Won lots of points directly on serve serve/attack. My slow spinny loops on both bh and fh was where I won most points.
With the plastic ball it feels like all my advantages are gone. I simply cannot put enough spin on the ball. Shots that were point winners before are now easily blocked or smashed back by my opponents. I used to win at least 2-4 points on serve per set with the previous ball. Now my serve is almost a disadvantage. I have tried adapting my game for this new era but with little success. I simply have never had the power shots you need now.
Continuously losing against players I previously beat with little effort has finally made me decide quitting table tennis. I still love the game so I can't quit completely. But I have reduced my training a lot, and I don't play any tournaments anymore. |
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Sorry to hear that. Would you consider changing the blades and/or rubber to compensation for the weight and bounce change of the new ball.
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What was the brand/type of the ball? I remember playing with Joola and Nittaku SHA (seamed ones) last year and swearing up a storm. If these were the only ones available, I'd be still using celluloid - but I really like seamless type from XSF and Nittaku Premium as well.
Of course, your situation could be very different, given your focus on spin and level of play.
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Hehe, we've all entertained those thoughts since the new balls... Try the XSF 3-stars and you will like the spin and bounce.
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Sorry, Imperial, but that 's a load of crock that you are feeding your mind. We are now well into use of the plastic balls and yes, the rallies last longer but serves are just as effective. Effective in that the server can stiil gain the initiative for the rally. If you were a good server with celluloid ball, you are also a good server with the plastic ball so the advantage is still there.
The only players that I have seen that were adversely affected were LP pushblockers, which is good news. Choppers, no. The best players are still the best players. The worse players are still the worse players. Yep cheap points from a flashy serve are not as easy to come by. That's it. Use your head a bit more and strategise better. |
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Why not buy a lot of celluloid balls and use them in your matches. I know most people I play with don't care which ball we use. There are the odd serious tournament players that prefer to use specific balls. But majority of the players I play with don't care.
But I agree with tinkin not a very good excuse to give up the game.
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Yeah, how odd of those tournament players to want to practice with what they're going to compete with! |
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Yeah, the OP is a serious tournament player so if the new ball is lowering his results a lot, I can see why he wants to quit, serious tournaments at least... |
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Lol..."odd" as in not strange but "few"
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"Continuously losing against players I previously beat with little effort has finally made me decide quitting table tennis. I still love the game so I can't quit completely. But I have reduced my training a lot, and I don't play any tournaments anymore. "
considering the time a player like yourself has spent developing there game and how much time and practice might be required to regain that form with the new ball your decision seems more then reasonable.
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Imperial - You are joking, surely...
The change is proportional for both you and your opponents... Your opponents may have made equipment changes. You may have to, but I wouldn't count on it.... Play on... Enjoy! 
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Welcome to the club :)))
With the celluloid ball...I won +/-70% of my league matches With the plastic ones....35% :))) Edited by kakapo - 12/30/2015 at 3:03pm |
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Kakapo, Could you describe the type of game you play and what has changed in your matches that is resulting in your losses? Have you come up with changes in strategy, tactics, or training that you think will help with the situation? Mark
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If this is even close to reality, then we would be seeing a mass exodus of high level players from the game. The new balls (in all their diversity) have been around long enough now and this is the first and only time I've heard of anyone quitting because of it.
How much of this is in the head of the OP? How much is this because the OP is feeling his age and starting to lose to younger, more adaptable players? |
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I would
like to thank everyone for replying. To all of you who think it's all in my
head etc. I totally see your point and I agree with some of the things you are
saying. I won't go into a long argument so I will just leave it at that.
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No need to argue...
Just share your playing style and experiences with the thread that you created... I believe that many players will be interested... |
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With the celluloid ball, I was only on the top 10, probably 6 to 9 rank. In plastic ball era, I am now the NO. 1.
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I'm curious as to what balls OP has been playing with to cause him to make such a decision.
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People will quit, the ball going from 38 to 40 made people quit, the game to 11, the stopping of speed gluing, the banning of friction less rubbers, the service problems, even playing pimple players
blah blah blah just what happens the World goes on
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Hi everyone
Maybe I am not at the level to reply here, but still. I learn the game 7 years ago and now I am playing with people of twice of my age. U cant imagine what sort of issues I need to face still I enjoy playing the game. These people always want orange ball (there is no 40+ orange ball yet), will never toss the ball, always hide the ball while serving and so on. Two of them using their bat since 14 years - u cant even ask them to change it, they are just like hard bat and u cant predict what sort of ball comes from it. Maybe u just carry on playing and the solutions will come up. Or maybe u thinking of winning every time. Quitting is not solution for it, just keep trying. Best luck.
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Plastic balls do favor certain styles. And then the different types of plastic ball have their own characteristics too, which give advantages and disadvantages for different players.
Personally, I've had to learn to not rely on spin so much due to my service and FH loop game being less effective. Some of my previously better FH shots have gone from being weapons to setting my opponent up. I've since started to vary my FH a lot more with a mix of flatter drives and more extreme angles. However, I play at a very average local level and can make these adjustments through training fairly quickly while still remaining competitive. If I was at a very high level, with a heavy emphasis on spin, and didn't have the time (or enthusiasm) to develop other areas of my game (which I didn't need before the arrival of plastic), then I might have to at least take some time away from the sport to recharge my batteries somewhat. So I can totally see where the OP is coming from, even though our situations are different. The paradox for me is that I enjoy playing more with a known and consistent plastic ball in comparison with celluloid because I personally like longer rallies, so even though I get far fewer cheap points these days I still love the game. However I get very frustrated and downhearted with having to adjust to different types of ball each week, so I too sometimes consider dropping out of my competitive league play because the enjoyment ebbs away to be replaced by frustration.
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Meh,so you got beaten by people who use to lose to you, don't blame the equipment, they're only the tools used by the player, people compete not their tools
 Man up an adjust to remain competitive and stop feeling sorry for yourself  BTW, you do realise players do improve, otherwise this sport would remain in the basements, give some credit to them for showing some improvements where you seemly haven't. Edited by The Canadian Bacon - 12/31/2015 at 8:26am |
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Well, in my opinion, if you've got real good skills, plastic ball or not, it shouldn't matter.
If you're a strong player as you've described, adaption to changes shouldn't be much of an issue. Don't forget plastic ball affects both you and your opponent. How come your opponent can do better than you. It all comes down to basics and skills. Like what 'The Canadian' has mentioned, don't blame the equipment. |
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This is true, if everyone played in the same way with the same emphasis across all techniques. The ball change doesn't affect everyone in the same way - some rely on spin (or being able to reverse spin) more than others, so some have a higher mountain to climb. We have some juniors who have made literally no effort to train at all with the new ball and they are now taking down more experienced players, simply because the ball's characteristics play into their hands with their drive/hit everything style. So when you match up against another player it's a huge simplification to say that the plastic ball affects you equally. Don't get me wrong, for the vast majority of players it "just" comes down to work and effort. Over time you would hope that these initial imbalances will even out. But there is a perfect storm of context to think about. Consider a player who has an unusually high reliance on spin to win points, plays at a high level due to previous years of training effort but now can't spare the time to re-train, and takes the sport seriously enough that a period of poor performances against previously weaker players becomes very disheartening. I don't want the OP to give up, but I can understand why he would want to and how the changes necessary would be disproportionately higher for him than the average player. We have some very disillusioned antispin players in our league who feel the same as the OP - the ball change hurts their game more than other styles. I have sympathy for them.
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I very much understand and sympathize with the OP. You have to change your style to make the new balls work and if you don't have the athleticism for drive or can't use your spin for precision placement along with your movement, you will struggle as pure spin is not as effective.
The OP should investigate changing equipment though. I had to do it (as did many other players) to get a comparable effect on the ball to what I was used to. |
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Once again, Mr Smith makes sense in both of his contributions. The fact that the plastic balls are so different from each other, generally, is frustrating. And the fact that he is sympathetic to the anti-spin users in his league? A class act, is Andy.  I use LPs on my bh and attack/loop w/my fh, relying mainly on spin from both sides (backspin and top, obvs) and have found that I too win fewer cheap points off my serves or pimples and have had to flatten out my loops from the fh, driving rather than spinning more often than not. I have also rejoined the quest for a set up that will best suit my game with the new balls. Stiffer blade, different pips, faster, harder fh rubber etc. (I may even move to frictionless anti after the season, which is, ironically, where many LP users are going with the new ball.) This EJ quest has been frustrating but it has been fun as well, trying new gear, training different strokes etc. and thanks to the MYTT forum, I can pursue it relatively cheaply. Thanks lads! You know who you are! Incidentally, I also put in some gym time last summer to increase my power and this, I think, has helped somewhat or has at least given me the illusion that I hit with more power now. All this said, I too am a fairly average league player. Cheap points were always nice to get and are more at a premium now but they were never going to propel me to premier league standard. So, I too feel some sympathy for the OP and wish him well. Maybe he should switch to frictionless anti?  PS. Thanks for not picking on the pushblockers and junk users, Andy. You're a gent, unlike some other posters above!
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there are people who says you have to adapt, everybody is under the same conditions, etc. but consider this, there wasn't any justifications for the ball change , imagine if the rule in PP was that everybody had to play right handed since inception and out of the blue, without any reason the rule was changed to everybody have to play left handed. I don't blame the OP for being frustrated and whatever he wants to do is justified as this is his personal experience and response.
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I'll be honest anybody who quits over the plastic ball feeling like it's dramatically different I think is kinda being a baby and/or is unable to adapt.
Does it play different? Yes. But the OP makes it sound like it's a different sport he's playing now. Hyperbole at its finest. Sorry if this might sound a little harsh but that's my honest opinion. Playing for 30 years (so I'm guessing at the youngest he's 45) and given the health benefits of staying active I just don't get quitting over the plastic ball. But to each their own.
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+1 I think it's important to be realistic and re-invent yourself over the years. I mean certainly how you play when you're in your 20s will look different from your 40s, 50s, etc. Your body just won't be able to do the same things it use to do... At least not without injuring yourself. ;)
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