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Fulanodetal
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Get yourself some Nitakku 3 star 40+ Premium balls. They play the closest to the celluloid balls. And I believe they have become the official tournament ball for the U.S.
I bought a bunch of them and they are the best ones. F. |
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ThePongProfessor
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I can appreciate some of the OP's frustration.
For us who are 35+ years or older and started playing as kids, there have been many changes, i.e., 38-->40-->40+ balls (less emphasis on spin; greater emphasis on consistency and physique); speed glue ban (greater emphasis on physique; completely different feel; less emphasis on spin), 21-->11 games (different mental game; decreased ability to employ serving sequences); hidden-->unhidden serves (decreased emphasis on spin and deception). This changes are on top of regular age-related changes (short-->tall; light-->heavy; mobile-->decrease mobility; etc). For readers who were born into the 40/11/Tenergy/unhidden era, imagine if, starting 2016, you had to use non-boosted rubbbers with a max thickness of 1.5 mm, a 20 cm net height (currently 16 cm) and tennis-style sets/games. This is how many of the changes from 1995-2015 feel like. However, the mantra boils down to "Adapt or Perish". I took the consequence of the decreasing emphasis on spin (and the many hidden serves out there) and switched to SPs. I love the game and refuse to let rule changes or age become a hindrance. Instead, I see them as an opportunity !! Happy 2016 to all !!
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Fulanodetal
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The game has been evolving since the beginning. I mean, we are not using those battledores any more, are we?!?
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Baal
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Seems like a big overreaction to me. My guess is in time OP would adapt.
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Baal
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I was just about to suggest this. |
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ThePongProfessor
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...and frankly, the 40-->40+ change is probably one of the least intrusive rule changes. The speed glue ban is probably the most serious rule change.
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GMan4911
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I suspect his decision was because Nittaku balls weren't being used in the tournaments in his country. |
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benfb
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I agree that on paper it should be the least intrusive change. And yet, for me, it seems to be the hardest one to adapt to. The drop in spin is significant and has really changed the way I go about match play.
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Baal
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I think it is harder than giving up speed glue since Tenergy came out shortly after that. but quit the sport? I will play as long as I am able. No other sport is as fun for me.
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BeaverMD
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Good for you! Table tennis is a complete mess right now. You should do something else with your time. Are you gonna play golf? Maybe lawn tennis? |
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ThePongProfessor
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Tenergy has NOTHING in common with a speed glued Donic Vario or Mark V. In fact, I have never understood the Tenergy craze. Maybe I have just been unlucky with the four sheets of Tenergy (05, 05fx, 80, 64) that I have bought...
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Baal
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I used heavily glued Bryce for many years. Tenergy is something different, no doubt. Still, for me it quite quickly was equally fun a way too play and I didn't need to mess around with glue for 20 min before playing. I certainly didn't struggle too much getting comfortable with it. Have used it since 2008 except for a month with MX-S (also good).
Anyway, I can understand why people hate Chinese seamed balls but not enough to quit, plus some plastic balls are a lot better. |
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RoyPips
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I have lost around 100 rating points since new ball, from 2030 to 1930. It's clearly fault of new ball.
I played against some same players before and after the change. Before I won a girl clearly, she got like 6 points in the whole match. After change to new ball I barely managed get a win. My pip disturbance and serve effectiveness let me down. Everything in the new ball seem to work against me. 1. I play ox pips for deception. That effect has diminished a lot and it's the biggest drawback with the new ball. 2. I have very spinny serves that are no longer as effective as before. 3. I have very spinny loop (more spin than speed). It's not as effective as before. 4. I don't have great athletic abilies or stamina to run around, which is needed with the new ball. 5. My ox pip serve receive was one of the strenghts, but as the serve receive is easier for everybody, that gives me not much advantage. I have changed rubbers and blade. Faster blade was needed and my Rakza 7 had to go because of slipping issues and Tenergy for replacement. I am probably trying to play more straight forward FH attacks instead of spinning the ball. Now I am happy with my equipment and I can't find fault in it, so it's either me or the damn ball. Edited by RoyPips - 01/01/2016 at 3:29am |
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benfb
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You make a good point about physical abilities. I had knee surgery a couple of months ago and still suffer a lot of point and stiffness which prevents me from running around. So I have a harder time continuing long rallies than I used to. I don't play with pips but my observation from our local pips players is that they are doing no better or worse than before. People that I have seen benefit from the new 40+ ball: blockers and those with really good mobility. All of this has certainly hurt my game and it's very frustrating, but I'm working hard to adapt. I will become even better at 40+ than I was at 40, but it may take me another year of hard work.
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CroNone
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Agreed!
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NextLevel
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A month with MX-P you mean. Just don't want people to get the wrong impression. I am using MX-P now and while I wish it maintained its boosting effect longer, I am very satisfied with the dead version. |
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Baal
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Yes. Sorry. MX-P.
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ThePongProfessor
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Yeah, MX-P does seem to lose it's zest after ~70-80 h. However, the low price is a redeeming factor.
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APW46
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About 3 months ago, I was on the verge of packing in myself, so I can sympathize with the OP particularly as I play the same way. In my experience, the players who seem to see little difference between plastic and celluloid are either lower end or young fit developing players, most advanced players have had considerable adjustments to make. How easily and if they make them depends largely on how much will power they have to bother. Personally for me, Having gone through all of the changes since the 40mm ball introduction, and being fully aware of what is required to keep myself inside the top 1% of players nationally, where I have been for over 20 years, it just feels like a bridge too far and it would be easy to say I have not got the time, the truth is I have lost the will power probably because of my age. What is natural and normal is to see a gradual reduction in competitive success over time as a player gets older, but when big rule changes are enforced older players who have been treading water hanging on to a level of play they are slipping below, by using their experience, start to sink. I only hurts if you are one of those players, everyone else is just getting on with it and couldn't care less, particularly the young/improving because these times of change always bring a clearing out of the 'old school'
I haven't packed in and I'm still in the top 1% and starting to enjoy playing again.
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The Older I get, The better I was.
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JKC
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I packed in playing competitively again at the end of last season. It's the best thing I ever did. I urge you all to give up playing. There' some great TV on.
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APW46
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Not so good for the fitness regime though JKC
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The Older I get, The better I was.
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APW46
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That is exactly the conclusion I have arrived at Baal.
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The Older I get, The better I was.
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skip3119
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============================= Agree with you guys 100%. Just because some players that I used to beat and started beating me - that's a poor reason for me to quit. I play for fun and for keeping good health. As they say "the best exercise is the exercise you like", I happen to like TT.
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AndySmith
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And it's the same for me - fun. And it has to remain fun, or I won't play any more. Everyone has their own personal concept of where the "fun" stops and starts. I don't find the constant swapping between different balls each week much fun, for example, but my local league has made sensible steps towards limiting issues around this and so I play on. It is tolerable. I would have stopped playing competitively for a while if they had not done this - I'm sure I would have been in a minority, but that's where I feel my line is. And the OP has their own line, personal to them. Plastic balls are a fairly major change, and so this kind of thing is inevitable. Sad, but inevitable. Certain styles are impacted more than others, and among those groups a percentage will be more disadvantaged in closing the gap due to circumstance, and among that smaller group some will be disillusioned enough to step out of the game. I hope it's just a temporary thing for the OP, but in my experience some never come back because they move to a different sport which doesn't change so regularly.
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victorm
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Fulanodetal
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Baal or Nextlevel...."A month with MX-P you mean. Just don't want people to get the wrong impression. I am using MX-P now and while I wish it maintained its boosting effect longer, I am very satisfied with the dead version."
So MX-S is no good? I've been wondering about this one after reading a couple of reviews. It's apparently one of the spiniest rubbers out there to compensate for the lack of spin on the new ball. You guys seem to prefer MX-P. Could you guys elaborate? Thank you! F.
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Baal
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I haven't tried MX-S. NL will have tried both.
I like T05 best.
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Baal
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Me too. On the other hand, I think I can see this ball better, and also, the slight reduction in penetration lets me get some balls I wouldn't get to otherwise, so it is not all bad. My serve is still a good weapon. But I am going to need to work on conditioning.
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rickywinataa
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Does the MX-P give you the same tenergy feel?
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Baal
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No. Feel is somewhat different. It comes closest to Tenergy 05 of anything I have tried, but it still feels substantially different. Of course, it is quite likely that ESN is not attempting to completely replicate Tenergy with any product they sell. So far nothing feels like Tenergy, although MX-P has outstanding performance in terms of spin, speed and trajectory. Some people might even like it better, but if the unique feel of Tenergy is what you like (as I do) this is not the answer. If you can accept a rubber that is a little crisper and slightly lower arc, maybe a touch faster, than this is a good alternative. It does not surprise me that among some notable European pro players, this one has been adopted.
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