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MX-S is an excellent rubber. It rewards you more if you spin drive (it has lower catapult) and have excellent form, and unfortunately, I am trying to stop driving the ball so much. MX-P plays more like T05 in terms of catapult though. The issue is booster plays a huge role, but it is so much cheaper that if you wear out rubber with heavy training or don't care about boosting or do it yourself, the value Mx-P is hard to beat.

That's the "feeling" of 05 on mjszlc initially, then as you go thru the gears of the combo you'll start getting the different " feelings", give it some adjustment time.

NextLevel wrote: MX-S is an excellent rubber. It rewards you more if you spin drive (it has lower catapult) and have excellent form, and unfortunately, I am trying to stop driving the ball so much. MX-P plays more like T05 in terms of catapult though. The issue is booster plays a huge role, but it is so much cheaper that if you wear out rubber with heavy training or don't care about boosting or do it yourself, the value Mx-P is hard to beat.

No doubt about the role of the factory applied booster in MX-P play.  It has strong smell out of packaging and playing properties decline over time independent of wear on the topsheet.  T05 is not like that, I don't think there is any factory boosting, it is intrinsic to the sponge itself and so for me T05 lasts longer.  But for sure MX-P is cheaper and people who are into it can reboost it.

As for T05 changing after regluing, yes I notice that too, so I don't typically remove and reglue, I just attach a rubber and use it until it is dead (and I don't like the effect of booster on T05).  Reattaching produces some change, although nothing so extreme that I can't get used to it in a day or so.  Some people actually like the effect it produces.  For example, if I remember correctly, APW46 removes and reattaches his T05 every 4 weeks, he feels like it rejuvenates the playing properties.

It is very important with T05 to not stretch it even the slightest bit when attaching it.  Roll it on very gently to make sure there are no air bubbles, but do not stretch it!

One caveat I have to make now about the topic at hand now.  I have not tried MX-P with plastic balls.  I think it might be very well suited for them.  I'm tempted to try it again just to see.      

No, I've not tried it.  Nobody at my club has it, and nothing I have read about it has tempted me to break my rule of not spending money of something I haven't hit with.

Baal wrote:  example, if I remember correctly, APW46 removes and reattaches his T05 every 4 weeks, he feels like it rejuvenates the playing properties.

Baal wrote: [QUOTE=NextLevel]As for T05 changing after regluing, yes I notice that too, so I don't typically remove and reglue, I just attach a rubber and use it until it is dead (and I don't like the effect of booster on T05).  Reattaching produces some change, although nothing so extreme that I can't get used to it in a day or so.  Some people actually like the effect it produces.  For example, if I remember correctly, APW46 removes and reattaches his T05 every 4 weeks, he feels like it rejuvenates the playing properties. It is very important with T05 to not stretch it even the slightest bit when attaching it.  Roll it on very gently to make sure there are no air bubbles, but do not stretch it! One caveat I have to make now about the topic at hand now.  I have not tried MX-P with plastic balls.  I think it might be very well suited for them.  I'm tempted to try it again just to see.

Vlad0 wrote: For me personally the change was moving back to H3 from T05 on FH. The huge disappointment  was replaced with ... Wow I'M BACK. Still with T05 on BH, but probably will change to something like H3 maybe with little softer sponge.

This is TS. For everyone talking about different brand balls. I play better with some and worse with some. But in the end they are all bad. Also I cannot decide what balls they use in competition.

As for equipment. I have gone through all the different eras from when speed glue was introduced. I believe I have a good understanding considering equipment. With the new ball I have tried different things, but eventually went back to what I was using before.

Many good replies in this thread so I will just quote the ones I think are the best and are closest to my situation.

AndySmith wrote: proSpin wrote: Well, in my opinion, if you've got real good skills, plastic ball or not, it shouldn't matter.  If you're a strong player as you've described, adaption to changes shouldn't be much of an issue. Don't forget plastic ball affects both you and your opponent. How come your opponent can do better than you. It all comes down to basics and skills. Like what 'The Canadian' has mentioned, don't blame the equipment.  <span style="line-height: 1.4;"> </span> <span style="line-height: 1.4;"> </span> <span style="line-height: 1.4;">This is true, if everyone played in the same way with the same emphasis across all techniques.  The ball change doesn't affect everyone in the same way - some rely on spin (or being able to reverse spin) more than others, so some have a higher mountain to climb.  We have some juniors who have made literally no effort to train at all with the new ball and they are now taking down more experienced players, simply because the ball's characteristics play into their hands with their drive/hit everything style.  So when you match up against another player it's a huge simplification to say that the plastic ball affects you equally.</span> <span style="line-height: 1.4;"> </span> <span style="line-height: 1.4;">Don't get me wrong, for the vast majority of players it "just" comes down to work and effort.  Over time you would hope that these initial imbalances will even out.  But there is a perfect storm of context to think about.  Consider a player who has an unusually high reliance on spin to win points, plays at a high level due to previous years of training effort but now can't spare the time to re-train, and takes the sport seriously enough that a period of poor performances against previously weaker players becomes very disheartening.  I don't want the OP to give up, but I can understand why he would want to and how the changes necessary would be disproportionately higher for him than the average player.</span> <span style="line-height: 1.4;"> </span> <span style="line-height: 1.4;">We have some very disillusioned antispin players in our league who feel the same as the OP - the ball change hurts their game more than other styles.  I have sympathy for them. </span>

Again very good post.

Smart decision. Also, any kid willing to become professional ping pong player should be immediately discouraged. Ping pong is nowadays becoming a recreation activity. Let's see what happens when the next bigger ball (42?) appears.

ChichoFicho wrote: Smart decision. Also, any kid willing to become professional ping pong player should be immediately discouraged. Ping pong is nowadays becoming a recreation activity. Let's see what happens when the next bigger ball (42?) appears.

Baal wrote: My thought about OP's original comment, is that if before you were relying on serve for 3-4 outright points per game, and now you think your serve is a disadvantage, is I just don't believe it.  My serve is a big strength of my game too, but I would never expect to be able to get 3-4 outright points per game that way.  That's just ridiculously unbalanced in terms of tactics.  My serve is probably as much of a strength as it was before.  That will end, though, if the raise the net height, since it will make it impossible to use long fast deep serves.

If a person is winning 2-4 points per set on serve, they are not playing at a very high level.

I hated the plastic ball too, but now i am used to it. Maybe the quality improved, don't know. Particularly the G40 and NP40 balls are quite potent when zinged right.

mts388 wrote: Baal wrote: My thought about OP's original comment, is that if before you were relying on serve for 3-4 outright points per game, and now you think your serve is a disadvantage, is I just don't believe it.  My serve is a big strength of my game too, but I would never expect to be able to get 3-4 outright points per game that way.  That's just ridiculously unbalanced in terms of tactics.  My serve is probably as much of a strength as it was before.  That will end, though, if the raise the net height, since it will make it impossible to use long fast deep serves.  If a person is winning 2-4 points per set on serve, they are not playing at a very high level.

Youll just have to get and the weights and get massive lad. But you are right new plastic balls allows a rubber to produce less spin/.....