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From what I understand there is no rule that says a player cannot wear a glove during a match at a USATT Tournament. 

Does anyone know of a rule that says otherwise? 

If there is no rule, does that mean it’s NOT ok, since it is not explicitly approved? Or, if not, does it mean they should be allowed because there’s no rule against it?

Is there a rule that says headbands and sweatbands are ok to wear?

How about compression sleeves, watches, necklaces and eye glasses? Are there rules that say it’s ok to wear these? If not, does it mean they should be/NOT be allowed?
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if  not forbidden therefore allowed
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Thanks for the input. I agree. But I have a situation that remains unresolved so I’m trying to get as much feedback as I can. Thanks again for the replyThumbs Up
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Originally posted by osmar92 osmar92 wrote:

if  not forbidden therefore allowed

You would think, but the USATT routinely does not allow hats to be worn.

3.2.2 Playing Clothing 3.2.2.1 Playing clothing shall consist of a short-sleeved or sleeveless shirt and shorts or skirt or one-part sports outfits, socks and playing shoes; other garments, such as part or all of a tracksuit, shall not be worn during play except with the permission of the referee.

Bold italics are mine. I'd strongly suggest getting permission. I don't see why it wouldn't be granted if you check ahead of time.

BTW, I've never asked about wearing a sweatband but no umpire has ever had issue with me wearing one.  Hats and visors OTOH are, as I said above, routinely not allowed.


Edited by wturber - 01/20/2020 at 1:39pm
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Thanks for the input. Regarding a hat, I haven’t found a rule that says anything about a hat. From what I can tell, the official rules don’t say anything about headbands or sweatbands either, yet there’s never an issue with those. I don’t see why a glove, or hat, should be singled out when there is no rule against them...
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headbands or sweatbands are made to use in game so don't need to mention about it in rules
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Originally posted by MrLee4ATTC MrLee4ATTC wrote:

Thanks for the input. Regarding a hat, I haven’t found a rule that says anything about a hat. From what I can tell, the official rules don’t say anything about headbands or sweatbands either, yet there’s never an issue with those. I don’t see why a glove, or hat, should be singled out when there is no rule against them...

If it matters to you I suggest checking with the tournament Referee.  What we like or think is kinda irrelevant given that the reality that their reasoning seems subjective at best.
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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

headbands or sweatbands are made to use in game so don't need to mention about it in rules

So are hats and other apparel that have been disallowed.
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Is that stated in the rules? What about compression sleeves? The type of glove I’m referring to is meant to be used in a game to improve grip/minimize slipping from sweat - same as headbands and sweatbands.
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Originally posted by MrLee4ATTC MrLee4ATTC wrote:

Is that stated in the rules? What about compression sleeves? The type of glove I’m referring to is meant to be used in a game to improve grip/minimize slipping from sweat - same as headbands and sweatbands.

I gave you the rule that relates.  Read into it what you like. But I can tell you from experience that without permission, you should be prepared to remove the sleeve, glove, hat or whatever. You may not be told to, buy you might. 

I know that Hall of Famer, Patty Martinez, had to go to a lot of trouble to be allowed to wear a visor.

I know of another player who was not allowed to wear a tight short under his shorts while top level players were being allowed to wear similar compression shorts under their regular shorts.

The main goal is one of good presentation.  So the less flashy the additional garment the more likely you'll get a pass and or be left alone.

The USATT rules are the same as the ITTF rules except as called out in this document:

ITTF rules:



Edited by wturber - 01/20/2020 at 2:23pm
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Thanks again. I really appreciate your follow up and advice.

My main point is that at a minimum, these questions should be answered in the rules and not left to the decision of a tournament official. I also feel that as long as headbands and sweatbands are allowed, gloves, hats and compression sleeves should be allowed too...
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Originally posted by MrLee4ATTC MrLee4ATTC wrote:

Thanks again. I really appreciate your follow up and advice.

My main point is that at a minimum, these questions should be answered in the rules and not left to the decision of a tournament official. I also feel that as long as headbands and sweatbands are allowed, gloves, hats and compression sleeves should be allowed too...

The rule change and clarification you want is unlikely to happen given that the ITTF is focused on professionals and the USATT is no longer writing their own rules document other than a short list of exceptions. But once we get a new board you are certainly welcome to petition for this kind of change.  Just don't hold yer breath.

BTW, I've not heard of anyone getting complaints about wearing a compression sleeve on their arm.


Edited by wturber - 01/20/2020 at 2:23pm
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shouldnt gloves be treated as a special case since it may contact the ball in a legal shot? 
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For important games I, sometimes, wear mittens - good enough for a couple of extra points due to the element of surprise. Handshake

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Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

shouldnt gloves be treated as a special case since it may contact the ball in a legal shot? 

I could make the same argument about edge tape design or the label area of many OX rubbers that have minimal thickness and therefore play a LOT differently than the rubber.  But those items (note that edge tape is absent from the definition of a legal racket) are routinely ignored because there appears to be no general advantage to be had by trying to use them as a playing surface. So assuming typical gloves, I see no reason why the likelihood of contact should be an issue unless the construction of the glove was particularly unusual in a way that might be used intentionally.

A bigger likely issue would probably be if the glove were ball colored or flashy in some way.  For instance players have been asked to remove jewelry and/or watches that can glint or glare in the playing lights.

I would add that your likelihood of getting referee approval is probably enhanced if you can give a legit medical or religious reason.  I remember one player at one of our tournaments who had to wear an ankle bracelet as some kind of house arrest or activity restriction.  He requested to be allowed to wear long warm-up pants so that the bracelet wouldn't be easily noticed.  I don't think USATT and referees are generally trying to be difficult even if the conventions and their decisions don't always seem to be sensible or consistent.

BTW, it would be nice if we could hear from some higher level umpires or referees who might be able to confirm my experience and interpretations or explain why their interpretations might differ.  Either way, the key is to get clarification from the tournament referee if you don't want unpleasant surprises.
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The thing is no one would care unless someone confronts the situation
even a tournament referee may give a different answer to another tournament referee 

The best thing is the write a letter /email to USA table tennis and send photos of the glove on and off
then let us know


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Waiting for someone to say we oughta treat his situation with "Kid's Gloves".
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The regulations define “normal clothing” but do not specifically preclude the wearing of such items as headgear and “cycling shorts”, and the referee must decide in each case what he or she will allow, taking into account presentation of the sport. Headgear worn for religious reasons and headbands to prevent long hair from obscuring a player’s view are clearly acceptable, but most referees would not allow the wearing of, for example, reversed baseball caps. 
 Some players wear cycling shorts, usually under normal shorts, as a means of keeping muscles warm, and this practice is generally accepted. It is recommended, however, that where such shorts are worn they should be of the same colour as the normal shorts and, in any case, they must not carry any advertisements or other markings.
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Many interesting things with gloves: Do you hold the racket in the hand? If you double hit with fingers wearing a glove: has the ball hit the racket hand or something you wear? (ball in shirt?). What if you put your free hand on the table? Is it really on the table?
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World Champion LSW routinely wears compressiin shorts in ITTF events.  Any ref who disallowed them in a piddly USATT event is a powermad tinpot dictator imo.  

Where I play hats, compression shorts/sleeves and stuff like that is always allowed.  TDs are just happy to have paying competitors.  There is even one guy who is famous for playing in his tracksuit.  

If you are talking about natiional USATT events then you had better ask first.  Not on here, I mean ask USATT, when we have a new one again.


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[QUOTE=BRS]World Champion LSW routinely wears compressiin shorts in ITTF events.  Any ref who disallowed them in a piddly USATT event is a powermad tinpot dictator imo.  


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Glove is urban slang for a condom.  Maybe that is what the OP is asking about in a familiar writing style..
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Glove is urban slang for a condom.  Maybe that is what the OP is asking about in a familiar writing style..

So my friend Chalise was right when she said that it kind of depends on what blade you are using?
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TAKE IT OFF, PLEASE

ITTF HANDBOOK FOR MATCH OFFICIALS, 16th edition 2019
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8. CLOTHING
8.4   Legality

8.4.5 The regulations define “normal clothing” but do not specifically preclude the wearing of such
items as headgear and “cycling shorts”, and the referee must decide in each case what he
or she will allow, taking into account presentation of the sport. Headgear worn for religious
reasons and headbands to prevent long hair from obscuring a player’s view are clearly
acceptable, but most referees would not allow the wearing of, for example, reversed baseball
caps.
8.4.6 Some players wear cycling shorts, usually under normal shorts, as a means of keeping
muscles warm, and this practice is generally accepted. It is recommended, however, that
where such shorts are worn they should be of the same colour as the normal shorts and, in
any case, they must not carry any advertisements or other markings.

   Gloves of any kind, I do feel it just a fancy garment unnecessary. There is no medical prescription, no religious reasons for wearing gloves. I would take a harsh stance against.
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Originally posted by Mytoman Mytoman wrote:

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Glove is urban slang for a condom.  Maybe that is what the OP is asking about in a familiar writing style..

So my friend Chalise was right when she said that it kind of depends on what blade you are using?

And rubbers.... And the white sticky glue... 
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I am sure some of you know, but there is a good player from Austin who plays with a glove-maybe like a golf glove or something. 
I do not "get" why anyone should care if their opponent were to wear a glove, hat, or a gorilla suit. It seems irrelevant to me. If Bobrow can wear his red shorts, just about anything but a white shirt or a shirt with white 40 mm polka dots seems legit. 
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Robert Trudell sometimes played with gloves.





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In this case, the glove is to minimize the impact of sweat - just like a sweatband or headband.
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