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Posted: 10/06/2010 at 9:33am |
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now there is a new version of thor ??!!??! the sponge with the T in the end is the new sponge
http://www.sundns.org/discuz/viewthread.php?tid=321130&extra=page%3D1 |
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Posted: 10/06/2010 at 10:50am |
The sponge variation gives you headache in choosing the one for you.. I gave up on trying to figure out which CJ 8000 I am going to try (there must be hundreds of sponge type  ) and eventually decided not to buy any |
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Posted: 10/06/2010 at 10:54am |
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Apparently, there are also two versions of the topsheet with different pip geometries. If you look at the pictures further down the page I assume that those are two different versions of Thor's.
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Posted: 10/06/2010 at 11:07am |
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the "t" looks to have a less porous sponge suggesting that it will feel harder
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Posted: 10/06/2010 at 11:20am |
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according to this post, eight versions in fact http://www.sundns.org/discuz/viewthread.php?tid=321130&extra=page%3D1 |
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Posted: 10/06/2010 at 11:51am |
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i dont think it is 8 different versions....i just think there is 8 different photos comparing the new and old sponge.....
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Posted: 10/06/2010 at 12:51pm |
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Posted: 10/06/2010 at 4:48pm |
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[/QUOTE]That is Sooooooooo Palio... The sponge variation gives you headache in choosing the one for you.. I gave up on trying to figure out which CJ 8000 I am going to try (there must be hundreds of sponge type ) and eventually decided not to buy any [/QUOTE] Ohh boy, I thought it was just me, the coward...... |
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Posted: 10/06/2010 at 4:53pm |
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Finally, shall we have someone's "definite" verdict about the Thor before we all buy it and realize the bitter truth?
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Posted: 10/06/2010 at 5:01pm |
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it looks to me more like a batch to batch variation.
in practical manufacturing scenario things like this can happen: esn to palio: "just sent you a small batch of of the rubber for test marketing as per your spec of sponge and topsheet....hope you like the color" :) palio to esn: "hey received th batch will test and revert... thx" esn: "waiting for your feedback" palio: "tried by a few players and they like it... i am sending you the first production order of 100 sheets. guess what... some people liked it tad harder ..could you possibly reduce the pores by a tiny bit?" esn: "sure will do it in next batch... so now that thor is regular product, we will create a product code ending with T." palio: "sounds good!! how soon can i expect the lot...? orders pending and launch date already deferred quite a few times. " esn: "lots of pressure... prolly not before end of next week." palio: "oops!!...okay... meanwhile we will supply from the test batch. make sure the color doesn't change." esn: "you got it baby.." palio: "sweet !! dude. :) " [if my theory is right... all subsequent Thors you guys buy, would come with 'T', than not]
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Posted: 10/06/2010 at 5:40pm |
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LOL Debraj stop it, you crack me up with your ESN stories!
I'd like to know if it's really tacky... like can it actually lift a ball, even for just a fraction of a sec? |
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Posted: 10/06/2010 at 5:55pm |
 Hey debraj, you've got lots of qualities....but you know it, right? |
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Posted: 10/06/2010 at 6:15pm |
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Those pictures of the sponge and topsheet are the same as the original photos exactly, it never did have anywhere near the pores that blitz does. Haggisv someone else said it will lift a ball forever straight out of the packet
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Posted: 10/07/2010 at 1:59am |
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I have my sheet :), I will say that so far it's not really tacky, about the same as CJ8000 but not even in the same realm as H2 tacky. The thing is it's got a grippy surface also as well as being mildly tacky so that stops it from feeling super tacky just because the surface isn't shiny flat like DHS commercials are but if you touch it your finger will stick to it and you'll say..... that's a tacky rubber. It will lift a ball but only JUST before it drops. The sponge feels about 37,38,39 ish on the DHS scale, somewhere in that range no softer or no harder than that. The topsheet is veerry supple more than anything else I've felt, pimple spacing is fairly tight, tighter than H2 and I expect something like H3, I don't think it will be super low throw, perhaps medium.
Seems like I'll be able to play on it on Sunday, I'll add one more thing, this rubber has effectively no fumes! very unusual for me because I normally nearly pass out when I open a new packet of tacky rubber :P
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Lucky for you guys I haven't given back a good canon macro lens I lent from my family yet :p so I've been able to take some super close ups of the topsheet so you can see the surface of it, but I might need to charge the battery before I can upload them. I woudl say if you used this rubber for a very long time, long enough for the rubber to wear a bit it will become more tacky (and less grippy)
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Those were with the flash on so it's kinda reflecting, I have some more without the flash I can upload later (really need to charge it now)
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More pictars I tried to wipe the dust off but it just keeps on sticking 
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nicefrog, thanks a lot for the quality pictures. I was already going to post a question and I think you are the right guy to answer (since you're H2 fan, as me) What Thor will give me, which the H2 NEO wouldn't? I really like mine H2 NEO 39°, but always hope that i may find something similar, but better. I was going to ask the same question, but regarding the BW2, Apollo and Reactor Thunder vs H2. Do you have any opinion?
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.............aaaaaa, almost forgot.How heavy the Thor is?
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On Sunday I can compare Thor's against either BW2 or H2 (other side of the same blade), which do you think I should test it against?. H2 makes more spin than BW2 so I'll probably test it against H2. I haven't tried Apollo or Reactor thunder but I think I will try Apollo at some stage next year. Anyway I can't tell you if Thors is better for me than H2 yet but hopefully on Sunday I can tell you how it compares. What I think will happen is that Thors will be much easier to play with, that doesn't mean it will be easier for me because I'm used to the very hard and stiff topsheet of H2 but maybe it will give me a wider range of speed variation on my shots and I'm sure that can be an advantage. Hopefully it will be also be able to make outright more spin and that's mostly what I'm always looking to find, I already am 100% sure it will be faster but I hope it can make more spin. So far I really don't know, I will have to wait and see. But I hope this really elastic topsheet means it will make more spin :) I don't know the weight of Thors but I have a sheet of H2 here and it's obvious that Thors is heavier just picking them up you can tell it's heavier. I only use balsa blade though so for me, weight is not an issue I have 10-20 spare grams that I can put into a more powerful rubber just to get the combo to a "normal" weight. I can compare H2 to BW2. BW2 is faster, harder, heavier and I feel a better attacking and blocking backhand rubber than H2 is (H2 chops better) but for forehand play because H2 just makes that bit extra spin and a lower throw and just nicer really, for play close to the table it's better. BW2 maybe a little better from further away but for me close to the table play is more important
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Posted: 10/07/2010 at 10:35am |
hey buddy,thanks for the thorough answer. I hope you will meet your expectations cause that's exactly what I am looking for. Eagerly waithing for your impressions(that EJ virus is crashing again my OS) Edited by Kolev - 10/07/2010 at 10:37am |
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Hey, I have the rubber glued on the blade and cut, just had a bash around the house with it so far. It feels just flat with no spring or bounce at all, like a normal Chinese rubber unless you bounce the ball on it with the plastic cover on, then it's considerably fast. The tack now that it's on the blade and been cleaned with rubber foam and water, well it will pick up a ball for about 8-12 inches before it lets go so it's considerably tacky even with that matt finish the rubber has. It seems like it's going to have similar spin serving to most tacky rubbers, I can't tell what it's going to do when hit big yet. Maybe tomorrow :). On the other side of the blade I'm comparing it against the H2 "provincial" I was using last season, which is a little different (softer top sheet) but comparable in spin to the blue sponge H2's I was using before that maybe more spin in fact. So that's what I'll compare Thor's against. But the Thor's looks nice on the blade, it has a very high quality look about it
edit: I've found a near new sheet of H2 blue sponge, I've now put that on the blade to give a comparison to something more similar to what you can easily buy. The topsheet on these if identical to the commercial H2 only the sponge is slightly softer then the average but most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference so I'm going to use that to compare, I'll also compare these against whale ii and red diamond on a similar blade
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I have tested Thor's :)
This being my first tensor rubber I was expecting it to be fast and springy and "modern" feeling but the actual truth is that it's pretty much just as dead as any Chinese rubber and I would say less lively than Red Diamond. So now what does it do well and what doesn't it. Firstly for anyone concerned about weight it is a fairly heavy rubber, not like whale but more than average. Serving, it serves well, better than H2 or any of the other Chinese Rubbers I had with me today Whale II/Red Diamond/H2/H2 Provincial. Looping, it's not a low throw rubber when hitting at an average speed but becomes as low as H2 when you really get stuck in and if you can hit really really hard then it probably becomes lower than H2. I don't feel like I was man enough today to extract everything this rubber has to offer because it keeps on giving more and more the harder you can hit and I hadn't played for a while. But it's a rubber that likes to be smacked around and rewards you for doing so. But I was still able to get more spin from it than I was from H2 today at the same time it is faster not much better in spin but certainly a little bit at the same time as being quite a bit faster. This rubber is MUCH better for mid range looping than H2 just because of the throw on it which flys straighter for longer and then drops sharply, I hit many more balls long than I normally would. Normally I land H2 mid table with Thor's I was quite often catching the line. But playing a somewhat serious game against a good player I was at the same level I normally am dropping one game of the 6 we played. I found the more attacking the other play was then the better Thors was to play with. When you were attacking a more defensive player with no incoming speed it wasn't really much more useful than H2. Looping from over the table is still probably just as good as H2 but I need to adjust that shot slightly to make it as constant as H2 in the mean time I was still able to land the table if I took the long angle and again the harder you can manage to hit the ball the lower the throw so you really get rewarded if you can maintain your intensity. I used other rubbers today but Whale wasn't really in the same league as H2 let alone Thors. Red Diamond however I continue to be impressed by and it does loop close to the table better than Thors and counter loops at least equally as well, however it's not making quite as much spin as Thors when you can hit Thors really hard. Still Red Diamond is a very impressive rubber I believe it's also maybe a touch faster than Thors. Another good thing about Thors was that it still played well when dusty something H2 doesn't do well at all. I didn't do much Smashing but Thors didn't seem to be a very good smashing rubber, I felt not as good as Red Diamond or H2 or Whale for that matter but again I didn't smash much since I was mostly concerned with how much spin and how consistant it was. I got the idea a harder blade than mine would be better for Thors since I wasn't able to max out the rubber today, I think something like the black devil balsa would be an ideal blade for this rubber since something light to compensate for the rubber and something fast is what you want. All around I don't think it's the best a rubber can be (this would be a better rubber for me and would smash better with wider pimple spacing) but it's probably good for most people just how it is. Still it is a very good rubber and probably overall the best tacky rubber I've used so at this stage I'll commit to using it next season and I'll probably use Red Diamond on the backhand so I have what I consider the best two tacky rubbers at the moment on the blade at the same time :) and if I don't use Red Diamond I'll be using Reflectiod in 2.0mm So in summary it's not omg brillant / different to any other tacky rubber but it's just a very good one, I'll wait and see what other people think about it compared to Red Diamond for me they are both great but both do some things better than the other, so putting Thors on the FH and RD on the BH is probably sensible :) edit: I forgot one thing, Thor's is not very sensitive to incoming spin compared to other tacky rubbers, I think this is because it only really gets mean when actively hitting hard, the real question everyone is going to have to ask themselves is can they give that kind of power because you really do need to put in a lot of effort. Now Palio, how about a Hercules, the same thing but wider apart pimples :) Edited by nicefrog - 10/10/2010 at 7:41am |
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Posted: 10/10/2010 at 4:57am |
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Thanks for the review nicefrog!
It does sound interesting enough for me to want to try it!It might speed up as the initial tack wear off too. Did it have a plastic protection sheet on? |
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Posted: 10/10/2010 at 7:09am |
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Excellent review nicefrog, the best I have ever read.
What do you think Palio Thor is closest to, H2 or H3? Or is it totally different than both? |
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saif, it feels a lot like the Chinese made tacky rubbers but at the same time it doesn't. I think to feel totally comfortable with it will take some time, but immediately playing with it still feels somewhat what I'm used to :) the sponge doesn't have that CRACK you would expect from either a modern very hard sponge from China or the other kind of CRACK that very soft tensors normally make, it's just... a little bit weird feeling, like you know it.. but you don't, maybe like accidentally going into your girlfriends sisters room one drunken night :p. The rubber doesn't fly like H3 or H2 it really launches the ball flat then at about mid table it goes ok time to go NOW and really makes a sharp turn for the table, quite a few times neither myself or the other guy expected that it was going to land the table but it ended up making it, coming down on such a angle means it sometimes bounces high off the bounce, kinda a lot different than the low then lower bounce most tacky rubbers make. When I translated a Japanese review of this rubber on google it said something like that, making a sharp turn and really that's what it does. It's a really nice flight path for mid distance looping. Then again things changed depending on how much pace you have on the blade when you hit the ball and it can also fly low and lower like H2 depending on how you hit it, there's probably a lot about how to hit the rubber to make it do exactly what you want that I haven't figured out yet.
haggisv, I think it will get faster once the tack wears off, (if it does) and yes it comes with a plastic sheet on the rubber and holds a plastic sheet very firmly once you are done playing. It was picking up a ball just as well as the other tackys no problem so it's quite tacky. Update: I came home and cleaned the rubber really good, had to give it a bit of a rub to get most of the remaining layer of initial tack mostly off and it still just as tacky as before, maybe even more tacky now
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Hmm, interesting. Alluring me to ditch my TG3 Neo and try this one. At least I'll know how it feels "going into your girlfriends sisters room one drunken night".
BTW, one more thing I need to know how does it perform on opening loop against deep under spin balls. How good Thor is doing in this area? |
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That's hard to say since looping underspin close to and over the table is my favorite shot so I can do that with pretty much any rubber but I didn't notice it being any hard than any other rubber.
I don't know if you will like it more than TG3 but I think it's good enough to give it a try for a while, few weeks or a month and see how you like it then. There's quite a good layer of sticky stuff that will wear off eventually, it's still just as sticky under that but I think it might continue to improve as that layer wears off. It's not a revolution of the tacky rubber but a good small evolution :)
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