Reporting the mass of your uncut rubbers
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Topic: Reporting the mass of your uncut rubbers
Posted By: stiltt
Subject: Reporting the mass of your uncut rubbers
Date Posted: 06/04/2010 at 3:45pm
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new site is: http://www.choices-guide.com/silver/ - http://www.choices-guide.com/silver/
Additional site with updated values: http://tabletennis-reviews.com/reference/rubber-sheet-mass-size-database - Rubber Mass Database Some like head heavy, some not. This simple database is so helpful to fine tune the balance of our blade(s). When you purchase a rubber, please measure the sides (Lenght and Width) in mm (1 inch = 25.4mm) and weight it in grams before cutting it. Also report in this thread the color of the topsheet and of course the sponge thickness. Finally divide the weight in grams by the product (L x W) to get the weight per cm2. Examples: uncut Joola Mambo H 1.8 mm red 168mm x 178 mm = 53 grams = 0.177gr/cm2 uncut Nittaku Narucross GS Soft MAX Black 168mm x 168mm = 63 grams = 0.223 gr/cm2 Forum member Silvalis will check regularly this thread to harvest your data. Thanks to him and Haggisv to make it possible. Edit 1: here is the ITTF official rubber list http://www.ittf.com/_front_page/ittf1.asp?category=rubber - http://www.ittf.com/_front_page/ittf1.asp?category=rubber
Edit 2: After Silvalis' formatting instructions I would submit the 2 rubbers above the following way:
Brand: Joola
Rubber ID/Model: Mambo H Thickness: 1.8mm Colour: red Uncut Mass: 53gr Length: 168mm Width: 178mm Brand: Nittaku Rubber ID/Model: Narucross GS Soft Thickness: MAX
Colour: black Uncut Mass: 63gr Length: 168mm Width: 168mm ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
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Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 06/04/2010 at 4:00pm
too late for many of my (no longer) new rubbers  ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 06/04/2010 at 11:49pm
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Some usefull HINTS: How to check your blade's actual square with a tailor's measuring tape. (a result within quite decent accuracy is well assured). -Take a measure of the blade's overall perimeter (P) Thus you can find out the blade's square inside the perimeter (S) =P^2 /4*3.14 Example: My TIBHAR L-IV blade's perimeter =50.5 cm. Blade's Square =2550.25 /12.56 =203.05cm^ ~203 cm^
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Posted By: silvalis
Date Posted: 06/05/2010 at 2:01am
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Hi All Please format your data like this. If the rubber has a newer ITTF rubber code (ID number), please include it. Please use Models out of the ITTF database, as per their spelling. If the rubber has a specific version that differentiates it (eg, National, Blue Sponge, Euro, whatever) please indicate after ID and Model FOR EXAMPLE. Brand: Butterfly Rubber ID, Model, Sponge: 005 Spinart Thickness (max or in mm): max Colour: black Uncut Mass(g): 73.6 Length(mm): 176 Width(mm): 165 If the rubber has sides corners cut, you can also list the l/w of each corner. Eg Corner 1 X: 15 Corner 1 Y: 14 Corner 2 X: 16 Corner 2 Y: 13 Corner 3 X: 10 Corner 3 Y: 11 Corner 4 X: 12 Corner 4 Y: 11 Brand: Rubber ID/Model: Thickness (max or in mm): Colour: Uncut Mass(g): Length(mm): Width(mm): If you don't include everything, chances are your entry will not make it into the database. ONE MORE THING PLEASE INDICATE THE ID NUMBER IF AVAILABLE. ------------- Potato Face |
Posted By: silvalis
Date Posted: 06/05/2010 at 2:06am
Then you can multiply it by the grams per sqcm to give yourself an idea of what it will weight. Keep in mind that considering that the measurements in the database are open and submitted by lots of people, we're going to get some not-so-accurate measurements. ------------- Potato Face |
igorponger wrote:Posted By: karabijntje
Date Posted: 06/05/2010 at 4:51am
fatt, could you put a link to this database in the main post? ------------- * TBS - Color - Spear - Virtuoso+ * Vega Pro / Europe |
Posted By: karabijntje
Date Posted: 06/05/2010 at 6:37am
Two new beauties arrived today  , here's the data:Brand: Stiga Rubber ID/Model: 68-003 / Boost TS Thickness: 2.0mm Colour: black Uncut Mass: 56gr Length: 168mm Width: 168mm Brand: Stiga Rubber ID/Model: 68-003 / Boost TS Thickness: 2.0mm Colour: red Uncut Mass: 56gr Length: 168mm Width: 168mm gr/cm2 = 56 / (16.8 x 16.8) = 0,1984127 ------------- * TBS - Color - Spear - Virtuoso+ * Vega Pro / Europe |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 06/05/2010 at 10:37am
done
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Posted By: Ranger-man
Date Posted: 06/05/2010 at 11:41am
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would the data we submit work even for rubbers that we have used. Let's say I have cut a rubber and glued it to my blade and played with it. Can I uses a left over piece that is about 5mm by 5mm (after carefully measuring it) and then posting the weight of that piece? Would that suffice? I am asking because I did not have a scale at first so I never weighed my rubbers, but now I have one, but the rubbers have been cut.
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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 06/05/2010 at 11:46am
I think it's a VERY good question even though my gut feeling is that it will not work. ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: Conan the Greek
Date Posted: 06/05/2010 at 12:06pm
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It shouldn't be too hard to derive the weight of an uncut piece of rubber from a 5cm square piece of rubber. Just divide the weight of the 5x5 by 25 to get the weight per sq cm, then multiple that figure by the area of an uncut piece of rubber (maybe around 300 - 310 sq cm?)
There could be a variable because of the weight of any residual glue. Any related thoughts? 
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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 06/05/2010 at 12:16pm
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The final value that's relevant to me is the weight per cm2. So yes weighting a 5cm x 5cm piece of used rubber and dividing the result by 25 would be just fine for my personal use (I would not need to extrapolate the mass of the whole uncut rubber from that value).
Anyway I just do not believe Silvalis will take it into consideration. Let's wait what he thinks. ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: Conan the Greek
Date Posted: 06/05/2010 at 1:42pm
Agreed. But as I said, used rubber with glue will weigh more than fresh rubber. That has to be taken into consideration. Otherwise, comparing used / spent F3 Big Slam to new Tenergy will likely favor the Butterfly rubber. We all know that is not the case for weight purposes. |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 06/05/2010 at 4:20pm
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Dear Silvalis, I used to consult your 'Weights Table' quite oftentimes and my first wish is that the Table gets some easier to handle. HEAR are the points to improve: 1. The OX-rubbes are of minor interest and should be listed into a separate table 2. The table column of "Weight per cm2": The 7-digit numbers are quite tiresome to operate with and thus should be pruned down to 4digits, e.g. 0.224332 --> 0.224 0.212571 -->0.213 Such a reduction will promote fine weight calculations even without CASSIO multi-digit computers :)
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Posted By: karabijntje
Date Posted: 06/05/2010 at 4:40pm
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I don't think used rubbers should be taken into account. You can't
measure the amount of glue. Rubbers will be bought new, eventually. So
there's less submitted data over a period of time, but it's more accurate.
------------- * TBS - Color - Spear - Virtuoso+ * Vega Pro / Europe |
Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 06/06/2010 at 12:20am
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Silvalis does it have any worth to this forum thread to post what a 2.1 rubber and sponge weighs when cut to the head of butterfly blade?
In other words, if I tell you that the last 30 rubbers I cut all weighed at almost 47grams and all the last 20 f3 big slams weighed at about 33 grams, is that still usefull? sorry not sure. ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: silvalis
Date Posted: 06/07/2010 at 6:29am
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hmm It might be. I'd just have to figure out what the butterfly head size is. TBS? ------------- Potato Face |
Posted By: karabijntje
Date Posted: 06/08/2010 at 3:57am
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Main head size for BTY blades is 150x157mm , TBS aswell.
------------- * TBS - Color - Spear - Virtuoso+ * Vega Pro / Europe |
Posted By: JRSDallas
Date Posted: 06/08/2010 at 4:28am
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The blade face area of the Butterfly's 157 x 150 mm head (their most common size) is 194.5 sq. cm. Some of the blades with this head size are: TBS, Amultart, Schlager Carbon, Timo Boll ALC/ZLC/ZLF/T5000/W7, etceteras.... ------------- Galaxy T1 89 gm FH: HRT Huaruite Wujilong 2 - Dragon 2 II, Max, Black Donic Acuda S2, Max, Red |
Posted By: Ranger-man
Date Posted: 06/09/2010 at 4:29pm
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I did not mean using used rubber per se, but the cuttings from rubbers that I have used. The cuttings are smaller, but still new, hence no wear on the surface, and no glue residue on the sponge, or any chance that the sponge may have retained some glue through absorbing or anything like that. As far as measuring the size of the cut piece. I guess a larger piece does cater to the chance that it would be like a large sample size in any statistical probability calculation and therefore a more accurate result. That is, if we think that no sponge is 100% uniform in density across its entire area.
------------- Darker Speed 90 10mm: Dawei IQUL Ahinoki Lutz Spruce Jpen: 729 SuperFX Member: 1-ply Hinoki Club Violin/Acoustic Clan The speed of a Rhino and the power of a Gazelle! |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 07/14/2010 at 6:04pm
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Brand: Cornilleau Rubber ID/Model: Pilot Advance
Thickness: 2.2mm Colour: red Uncut Mass: 63gr Length: 163mm Width: 169mm Brand: Cornilleau Rubber ID/Model: Pilot Advance
Thickness: 2.0mm Colour: black Uncut Mass: 63gr Length: 163mm Width: 169mm ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: gmarziou
Date Posted: 07/25/2010 at 5:54pm
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Brand: Andro Rubber ID, Model, Sponge: 010 Hexer Duro Thickness (max or in mm): 1.7 Colour: black Uncut Mass(g): 60 Length(mm): 168 Width(mm): 168 |
Posted By: Zo k
Date Posted: 07/27/2010 at 4:23pm
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Brand: Joola Rubber ID/Model: 40-001 / Express One Thickness: Max Colour: Red Uncut Mass: 62.5g Length: 168mm Width: 168mm ..... Brand: Joola Rubber ID/Model: 40-001 / Express One Thickness: Max Colour: Black Uncut Mass: 62.8g Length: 168mm Width: 168mm ..... Brand: Donic Rubber ID/Model: 21-006 / Baracuda Thickness: 2.0mm Colour: Red Uncut Mass: 62.7g Length: 168mm Width: 168mm ..... Brand: Donic Rubber ID/Model: 21-006 / Baracuda Thickness: 2.0mm Colour: Black Uncut Mass: 64.9g Length: 168mm Width: 168mm ------------- OSP Ultimate 3 CRW ST Victas V>01 Limber max Victas V>01 Limber 2.0 |
Posted By: gmarziou
Date Posted: 07/29/2010 at 5:53am
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Brand: Cornilleau Rubber ID/Model: 17-010 / Pilot Power Thickness: 1.8mm Colour: Black Uncut Mass: 52g Length: 165mm Width: 175mm |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 08/09/2010 at 12:52pm
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The info below is taken from http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32030&PID=441690&title=yasaka-rakza-7-anyone-know-about-this-rubber#441690 - there Brand: Yasaka Rubber ID/Model: rakza7 Thickness: MAX Colour: Red Uncut Mass: 63g Length: 168mm Width: 168mm ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 08/23/2010 at 11:36am
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http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32030&PID=441690&title=yasaka-rakza-7-anyone-know-about-this-rubber#441690 - Brand: LKT Rubber ID/Model: Black Power Thickness: 2.1mm Colour: Black Uncut Mass: 65g Length: 170mm Width: 166mm Brand: LKT Rubber ID/Model: Red Diamond Thickness: 2.1mm Colour: Red Uncut Mass: 63g Length: 166mm Width: 166mm ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: Zo k
Date Posted: 08/26/2010 at 4:39am
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Brand: Joola Rubber ID/Model: 40-009 / Brave Thickness: 2.1mm Colour: Black Uncut Mass: 67.9g(without prot.sheets) Length: 168mm Width: 168mm ------------- OSP Ultimate 3 CRW ST Victas V>01 Limber max Victas V>01 Limber 2.0 |
Posted By: tompy
Date Posted: 08/26/2010 at 5:32am
Only problem is that you multiply a measuring tolerance (surface area and weight) also going from a measured 25 sqr cm back to an uncut sheet. Like 300 sqr cm is 60 grms. Meaning 25 sqr cm will be 5 grms. Most balances also have a worse precision weighing lower weights. Suppose total tolerance (area and weight) is ten percent (which could be a low estimate). If you messure 5 grms / sqr cm it could be 5,5 or 4,5 seams precise but it,s in between 54 and 66 grms ; twelve grams difference. |
Posted By: dek-dek
Date Posted: 08/26/2010 at 6:42am
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Why does anyone care about the size or mass of a rubber? A few grams does not make that much of a differnce, just saying ------------- Timo boll spirit Tenergy 05 Tenergy 64 |
Posted By: gmarziou
Date Posted: 08/26/2010 at 5:56pm
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It does make a difference when you are subject to tendinitis ------------- BBC 7-14-7 with Tenergy 64 FX 1.7mm on both sides Darker Speed90 with Tenergy 64 FX 1.7mm on both sides |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 08/26/2010 at 6:01pm
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or for people who want to tweak the balance of their paddle. 10 grams (5+5) taken off the head of the blade is huge and from head heavy a setup may become well balanced. just saying.
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Posted By: dek-dek
Date Posted: 08/26/2010 at 6:40pm
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But should you not pick a rubber that you like and pick a blade accordingly to find the balance you initially desired rather than picking a rubber which happens to be the mass you may think appropriate? Plus there are nearly always abnormalities in rubbers that we the public buy as the rubbers profeissionals get to use are at the centre of the original rubber sheet ( 9 sheets in a 3x3 format) and the rubbers on the outside are not consistent e.g the trajectory the balls takes after being hit differs due to abnormalities. But if we forget about the abnormalities in rubbers it still makes no difference to a 'paddles' balance e.g head heavy because the rubbers weight SHOULD be evenly distributed from the centre of gravity. Just saying ------------- Timo boll spirit Tenergy 05 Tenergy 64 |
Posted By: gmarziou
Date Posted: 08/28/2010 at 4:41pm
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I don't see it this way. I know that I'm comfortable with a total weight of 140 grams or less, above I start feeling pain in wrist or elbow. So, given this fact, I know it's useless for me to test rubbers that are heavier than 60g uncut, so having this information is a big advantage for me. Maybe you're young and it's not a concern for you, but I played for 20 years and it is utterly important for me if I still want to be able to play. ------------- BBC 7-14-7 with Tenergy 64 FX 1.7mm on both sides Darker Speed90 with Tenergy 64 FX 1.7mm on both sides |
Posted By: gmarziou
Date Posted: 09/03/2010 at 7:11am
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Brand: Yasaka Rubber ID, Model: 83-009, Rakza 7 Soft Thickness (max or in mm): 1.8 Colour: black Uncut Mass(g): 59 Length(mm): 168 Width(mm): 168 ------------- BBC 7-14-7 with Tenergy 64 FX 1.7mm on both sides Darker Speed90 with Tenergy 64 FX 1.7mm on both sides |
Posted By: dmras
Date Posted: 09/04/2010 at 1:11am
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Nittaku Narucross Black Super Soft 1.9 uncut 53 gr width/length - 168 mm Donic Acuda S3 Black 2.0 uncut 63 gr width/length - 168 mm |
Posted By: gmarziou
Date Posted: 09/15/2010 at 6:04am
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Brand: Tibhar Rubber ID, Model: 74-009, Genius+ Optimum Sound Thickness (max or in mm): 2.0 Colour: black Uncut Mass(g): 58 Length(mm): 168 Width(mm): 168 Brand: Tibhar Rubber ID, Model: 74-009, Genius+ Optimum Sound Thickness (max or in mm): 2.0 Colour: red Uncut Mass(g): 56 Length(mm): 168 Width(mm): 168 ------------- BBC 7-14-7 with Tenergy 64 FX 1.7mm on both sides Darker Speed90 with Tenergy 64 FX 1.7mm on both sides |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 09/18/2010 at 11:15am
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Brand: Nittaku
Rubber ID, Model: 54-011, GS Super Soft
Thickness: MAX (super thick)
Colour: BLACK
Uncut Mass(g): 51
Length(mm): 168
Width(mm): 168
Brand: Nittaku
Rubber ID, Model: 54-011, GS Super Soft
Thickness: MAX (super thick)
Colour: RED
Uncut Mass(g): 51
Length(mm): 168
Width(mm): 168
0.1807 gr/cm2 --> SO LIIIIIGHT!!!
Those 2 black and red rubbers weight exactly the same and have the same dimensions. That's what I'd call consistency!!! ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 09/30/2010 at 9:15pm
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Brand: Tibhar
Rubber ID/Model: 74-0006 GENIUS Thickness: MAX Colour: Red Uncut Mass: 70gr Length: 168mm Width: 168mm Brand: Yasaka Rubber ID/Model: Xtend SG Thickness: 2.0
Colour: Black Uncut Mass: 63gr Length: 170mm Width: 170mm ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 10/07/2010 at 1:41pm
Red Diamond 170mmx170mm 64.16 gm density 0.222 gm/cm^2 Heavy  Black Power 170mmx170mm 65.83 gm density 0.227 gm/cm^2 Heavier The scale is accurate and must be calibrated every year. The rubbers will go on a BTY Balsa Carbo blade. 78.11 gm somewhat light to offset the heavy rubber. I like the packaging and the protective cover that can stay in place while mounting the rubbers and rolling with a rolling pin.  I don't like heavy paddles but I am becoming resigned to the fact that 180 gm is the norm and not heavy. I am waiting for the BP to dry and still need to put on the RD. I will let you all know how the paddle turns out and compare with my other paddles. Edit, I just weighed the whole paddle. 172.66 gm. Not bad. ------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: mmerkel
Date Posted: 10/07/2010 at 9:54pm
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Brand: Sword Rubber ID, Model: 54-011, Hero Enhanced Version Thickness: MAX Colour: Red Uncut Mass(g): 62 Length(mm): 162 Width(mm): 162 0.2362g / cm2 Brand: RITC Rubber ID, Model: 729-08 ES Thickness: MAX Colour: BLACK Uncut Mass(g): 64 Length(mm): 168 Width(mm): 168 0.2379g / cm2 ------------- #1 RL Balance -Bluefire M2 -Acuda S2 #2 RL Avalanche#2 -Bluefire M2 -Sigma Europe #3 Primorac -Boost TP -Magna TC |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 10/08/2010 at 12:18am
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Brand: Yasaka Rubber ID/Model: Rakza 7 Thickness: MAX Colour: Black Uncut Mass: 63gr Length: 168mm Width: 168mm ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: karabijntje
Date Posted: 11/16/2010 at 7:46pm
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Brand: XIOM Rubber ID/Model: 79-012 / Vega Pro Thickness: MAX
Colour: Black Uncut Mass: 67gr Length: 168mm Width: 168mm Brand: XIOM Rubber ID/Model: 79-008 / Vega Europe Thickness: MAX
Colour: Red Uncut Mass: 61gr Length: 168mm Width: 168mm ------------- * TBS - Color - Spear - Virtuoso+ * Vega Pro / Europe |
Posted By: karabijntje
Date Posted: 11/18/2010 at 3:43am
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Brand: AIR Rubber ID/Model: 106-005 / Illumina X77 Thickness: 2.2mm Colour: Red Uncut Mass: 54gr Length: 164mm Width: 166mm ------------- * TBS - Color - Spear - Virtuoso+ * Vega Pro / Europe |
Posted By: karabijntje
Date Posted: 11/22/2010 at 5:49pm
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Brand: XIOM Rubber ID/Model: 79-012 / Vega Pro Thickness: MAX Colour: Black Uncut Mass: 71gr Length: 168mm Width: 168mm Brand: XIOM Rubber ID/Model: 79-008 / Vega Europe Thickness: MAX Colour: Red Uncut Mass: 60gr Length: 168mm Width: 168mm ------------- * TBS - Color - Spear - Virtuoso+ * Vega Pro / Europe |
Posted By: GenomicsKnight
Date Posted: 11/22/2010 at 7:51pm
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Brand: Milky Way / Yinhe / Galaxy
Rubber ID, Model: 49-002, Sun
Hardness: 33 deg Thickness: 2.3mm
Color: BLACK
Uncut Mass(g): 64
Length(mm): 167
Width(mm): 167
Brand: Milky Way / Yinhe / Galaxy
Rubber ID, Model: 49-003, Moon
Hardness: 37 deg Thickness: 2.3mm
Color: RED
Uncut Mass(g): 63
Length(mm): 168
Width(mm): 169 ------------- CEO, Single Ply Hinoki Club TSP Dynam 10.5mm and other fine 1-ply Kiso Hinoki blades |
Posted By: cmba_x
Date Posted: 11/25/2010 at 5:00pm
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Still not in the DT's database: Brand: Donic Rubber ID/Model: 3540004-28 / Coppa X1 Platin Thickness: 1.8mm Colour: red Uncut Mass: 56gr Length: 169mm Width: 169mm Brand: Donic Rubber ID/Model: 3400004-15 / Coppa X1 (Gold) Thickness: 1.8mm Colour: black Uncut Mass: 56gr Length: 169mm Width: 169mm Was expecting Platin to be heavier than Gold; but it definitely has a harder sponge. (Setup on Stiga Offensive Classic WRB, 80g, using Bty Free Chack Total weight : 171g) |
Posted By: gmarziou
Date Posted: 11/26/2010 at 3:18pm
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Brand: Butterfly Rubber ID, Model: 14-010, Tenergy 25 FX Thickness: 1.7 Colour: Red Uncut Mass(g): 63 Length(mm): 180 Width(mm): 168
------------- BBC 7-14-7 with Tenergy 64 FX 1.7mm on both sides Darker Speed90 with Tenergy 64 FX 1.7mm on both sides |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 11/29/2010 at 3:56pm
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Brand: Butterfly Rubber ID, Model: Best Anti Thickness: 1.9 Colour: Red Uncut Mass(g): 41.83 Length(mm): 180 Width(mm): 168
------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 11/29/2010 at 3:59pm
WOW!!! that would be on the lighter side; that sponge is almost all air I presume (?) ------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 11/29/2010 at 6:53pm
Yes, Super Anti is very light and the sponge is very soft. Super Anti is not as stiff as others I have mounted. I have a TBS+2xT05 that is too heavy for me and one of the rubbers was ripped on a corner while looping. I replaced the ripped T05 with the Super Anti in the hopes of slowing down the game but still keeping the ability to attack. The paddle mass dropped by 20 gm. The TBS+T05+SA mass is now 161.17 gm. LPs are even lighter with no sponge. It seems like a good way to slow down the game and reduce weight. I know you have questioned my reported wieghts/mass before. I have a scale that was recently calibrated to 0.01 gm that is used for industrial purposes and really important things like weighing TT rubbers and blades. ------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: Pioneer
Date Posted: 11/29/2010 at 6:57pm
Please don't report it ... I'm a kleptomaniac  ------------- Blade: Timo Boll ZLF ST http://mytabletennis.net/forum/topic71344_post873640.html#873640" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 12/01/2010 at 2:32pm
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Brand: Gambler Rubber ID, Model: Reflectoid Thickness: 2.0 Colour: Black Uncut Mass(g): 50.06 Length(mm): 166 Width(mm): 165
------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 12/23/2010 at 3:16pm
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Brand: Yasaka Rubber ID, Model: Anti Power Thickness: 2.0 Colour: Red Uncut Mass(g): 57.34 Length(mm): 169 Width(mm): 169
------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: zhijie
Date Posted: 01/02/2011 at 2:17am
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Brand: Yasaka Rubber ID, Model: 83-009, Rakza 7 Soft Thickness (max or in mm): MAX Colour: Red Uncut Mass(g): 59 Length(mm): 168 Width(mm): 168 |
Posted By: zhijie
Date Posted: 01/02/2011 at 2:23am
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Brand: Donic Rubber ID, Model: 21-012, Acuda S2 Thickness (max or in mm): MAX Colour: Red Uncut Mass(g): 64 Length(mm): 168 Width(mm): 168 Brand: Donic Rubber ID, Model: 21-013, Acuda S3 Thickness (max or in mm): MAX Colour: Black Uncut Mass(g): 63 Length(mm): 168 Width(mm): 168 |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 01/03/2011 at 5:00pm
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Brand: Friendship 729 Rubber ID, Model: OEM Thickness (max or in mm): 2.1mm Colour: Red/Black Uncut Mass(g): 61 Length(mm): 170 Width(mm): 170 I weighed four and averaged them. The rubbers weren't trimmed very nicely so I had to trim them with a paper cutter to 170 mm square. I am replacing the old rubber on some pre-made paddles at work.
------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: garwor
Date Posted: 01/05/2011 at 5:39am
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Brand: Yasaka Rubber ID, Model: 3507005-12, Rakza 7 Thickness (max or in mm): 2.0mm Colour: Red Uncut Mass(g): 65 Length(mm): 169 Width(mm): 169
Brand: Yasaka Rubber ID, Model: 3899009-08, Rakza 7 Thickness (max or in mm): 2.0mm Colour: Black Uncut Mass(g): 64 Length(mm): 168 Width(mm): 169 ------------- http://stonitenis.rs/equipmentreviews" rel="nofollow - Equipment database Yinhe MC-2 FL fh: Xiom Vega pro bh: Xiom Vega pro Boycott Marcos Freitas for hidden services! |
Posted By: gmarziou
Date Posted: 02/09/2011 at 9:33am
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Brand: Donic Rubber ID, Model: 21-006, Baracuda Big Slam Thickness (max or in mm): 2.0mm Colour: Red Uncut Mass(g): 60 Length(mm): 168 Width(mm): 170 ------------- BBC 7-14-7 with Tenergy 64 FX 1.7mm on both sides Darker Speed90 with Tenergy 64 FX 1.7mm on both sides |
Posted By: jjk212
Date Posted: 03/07/2011 at 10:57pm
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Brand: Friendship 729 Rubber ID/Model: NA / 729 FX Super Soft Thickness: 2.2mm Color: Red Uncut Mass: 51.2g Length: 165mm Width: 165mm ..... Brand: DHS Rubber ID/Model: NA / Hurricane III 19 Thickness: 2.2mm Color: Black Uncut Mass: 61.7g Length: 170mm Width: 165mm 4 corners cut, each at 45deg Length of cuts(hypotenuse(s)): 25mm, 25mm, 33mm, 34mm http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40464&title=how-much-does-the-glue-on-your-blade-weigh - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40464&title=how-much-does-the-glue-on-your-blade-weigh
------------- First foray into being coached-wish me luck BL,Yasaka Extra||FH,Yasaka MarkV 2.0 B||BH,Yasaka MarkV 2.0 R previous BL,Yasaka Balsa+||FH,729 SuperFX w/Reactor(Orange) 2.2 B||BH,Globe 999 Nat(38d) 2.2 R |
Posted By: ThaiLe
Date Posted: 04/04/2011 at 5:33pm
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Brand: Palio Rubber ID/Model: Blitz Thickness: max Color: Red Uncut Mass: 65grs Length: 170mm Width: 170mm =============== Brand: Palio Rubber ID/Model: Blitz Thickness: 2.0mm Color: Black Uncut Mass: 66.5grs Length: 170mm Width: 170mm =============== It is strange that 2.0mm sheet weighs more than the max one... |
Posted By: tael
Date Posted: 04/04/2011 at 6:07pm
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Brand: Gambler
Rubber ID/Model: Shadow Thickness: 2.0 Color: BLACK Uncut Mass: 50grs Length: 170mm Width: 170mm ------------- Waldner Senso Carbon FH: 729 Focus III Snipe 2.1/42 BH: Galaxy Moon 2.1/38 RITC-729 A1 FH: 729 Focus III Snipe 2.1/42 BH: Galaxy Moon 2.1/38 |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 04/20/2011 at 9:22am
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Brand: CTT Rubber HERO Thickness:2.2 (H42) Color: Black Uncut Mass: 60g Length: 166mm Width: 166mm ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 7:55pm
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Brand: AIR Rubber Scirocco SF (tacky) Thickness:2.2(H39) Color: Black Uncut Mass: 64g Length: 168mm Width: 170mm ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: ThaiLe
Date Posted: 05/07/2011 at 1:11am
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Brand: Tibhar
Rubber ID / Model: Primus Thickness: 2.0mm Color: Black Uncut Mass: 60g Length: 170mm Width: 170mm |
Posted By: zhijie
Date Posted: 05/09/2011 at 10:23am
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Brand: TSP Rubber ID / Model: 76-005/Agrit Thickness: 2.0-2.1mm(Max) Color: Red Uncut Mass: 55g Length: 179mm Width: 170mm ------------- |
Posted By: gmarziou
Date Posted: 05/31/2011 at 2:31am
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Brand: Xiom Rubber ID/Model: Yanus - DF Thickness (max or in mm): 1.5 Colour: Red Uncut Mass(g): 52g Length(mm): 170 Width(mm): 170 Brand: LKT Rubber ID/Model: Pro XP Thickness (max or in mm): 1.8 Colour: Black Uncut Mass(g): 52gLength(mm): 164 Width(mm): 164 ------------- BBC 7-14-7 with Tenergy 64 FX 1.7mm on both sides Darker Speed90 with Tenergy 64 FX 1.7mm on both sides |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 07/24/2011 at 11:49am
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Brand: Joola Rubber ID/Model: Phenix Thickness (max or in mm): Max Colour: Red Uncut Mass(g): 60g Length(mm): 177 Width(mm): 168 Brand: Tibhar Rubber ID/Model: Primus Thickness (max or in mm): max Colour: Black Uncut Mass(g): 57Length(mm): 177 Width(mm): 167 ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 07/27/2011 at 1:44am
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Uncut Yasaka Zap, black, 36°-38°, 2.2mm, 163x168mm, 58g, 0.2118 g/cm2 The following is printed on the sponge "36°-38°, 2.2mm, 80214". Above mass is without the protective sheed that comes with the rubber. ------------- Nexy Arche & Nittaku Violin LG. Join the forum_posts.asp?TID=47778" rel="nofollow - Nexy Clan ! Also member of Violin & 1-Ply clans. |
Posted By: gatorling
Date Posted: 07/28/2011 at 1:06pm
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Just a suggestion if the thread owner maintains the database website. Maybe adding the number of samples taken for each of the rubbers would be a good idea. You could compute standard deviation to give an idea of how consistent the rubbers are. E.g a record with a high sample count and low deviation would indicate that the mass/area number is correct but a record with a high sample count and high deviation (or any record with a very low sample count) would not be trusted as much. |
Posted By: ttennis1
Date Posted: 10/04/2011 at 6:32am
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Brand: RITC Friendship Rubber ID/Model: 729 General Thickness: 2.2 Color: BLACK(Blue sponge) Uncut Mass: 62grs Color: RED (orange sponge) Uncut Mass: 61grs Black rubber had harder sponge as compared to red rubber ------------- Butterfly Primorac (OFF-) FH:Yasaka Mark-V (max) BH:Butterfly Flextra (1.5) |
Posted By: igorponger
Date Posted: 10/04/2011 at 2:34pm
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REMINDER to the RWT contributors.
Friends, Have just noticed some of the contributors to the evergrowning http://mass.doingitwrong.net - Rubber Weight Table did omit to state uncut size of their rubber sheets. PLEASE. be sure to report actual size measurements (with accuracy to 0.1cm) on rubber sheets along with rubber uncut mass. The sheets may differ in size from a manufacturer to a manufacturer, you understand. Many 'thank you' for doing this job. Keep it up !! |
Posted By: ttennis1
Date Posted: 10/15/2011 at 2:31am
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Brand: Yasaka Rubber ID/Model: Rakza-7 Thickness: Max Color:Red Uncut Mass: 70 grams didn't measure the uncut size. ------------- Butterfly Primorac (OFF-) FH:Yasaka Mark-V (max) BH:Butterfly Flextra (1.5) |
Posted By: dingyibvs
Date Posted: 10/15/2011 at 3:01am
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Ha, all you puny humans, check out this rubber: Brand: Sanwei Rubber ID/Model: T88-I 39 degrees Thickness: Max Color: Red Uncut Mass: 78 grams  Length: 166mm Width: 164mm Calculated density: 0.2865 g/cm^2
------------- Blade: Hurricane Long 5 (968) FL FH: D09C max BH: D09C max |
Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 12/28/2011 at 1:11pm
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Brand: Butterfly Rubber ID/Model: Bryce FX Thickness: 1.9 Color: Black Uncut Mass: 60grs Length: 170mm Width: 165mm |
Posted By: Brainstorm69
Date Posted: 02/11/2012 at 10:59am
| Is the database dead and gone? The website hasn't been up in the last week or so that I have tried to access it. |
Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 02/12/2012 at 7:25am
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haha, Fatt like Aurus too! Brainstorm, Silver has move the webpage for teh rubber mass database. You can find it on OOAK forum. Good luck on your mission, should you accept it, the IMF secrerary will disavow all knowledge of Ur actions... ------------- Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc |
Posted By: Brainstorm69
Date Posted: 02/12/2012 at 11:07am
| BH-Man, thanks for the response. I actually found the posting at the OOAK forums not too long after I posted this. I'm glad Haggisv decided to host it, and hope it doesn't go away. |
Posted By: zhijie
Date Posted: 02/21/2012 at 9:03am
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Brand: Friendship Rubber ID/Model: 27-008/RITC 729 Origin Thickness: 2.1mm Color: Black Uncut Mass: 68 g Length: 166mm Width: 164mm (Sponge hardness : Medium Hard) ------------- |
Posted By: gmarziou
Date Posted: 02/22/2012 at 5:42pm
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Brand: Butterfly Rubber ID, Model: 14-011, Tenergy 64 FX Thickness: 1.7 Colour: Black Uncut Mass(g): 56 Length(mm): 180 Width(mm): 168
------------- BBC 7-14-7 with Tenergy 64 FX 1.7mm on both sides Darker Speed90 with Tenergy 64 FX 1.7mm on both sides |
Posted By: JEAus
Date Posted: 02/23/2012 at 10:12pm
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Brand: Tibhar Rubber Aurus Thickness:1.7 Color: Black Uncut Mass: 65g Length: 169mm Width: 169mm ------------- Regards, Jonathan |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 02/26/2012 at 2:06pm
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The url to the original database page has changed. The old owner allowed Alex (haggisv) to host it on his server.....thanks much Alex ! The new url for the rubber info is http://www.choices-guide.com/silver/ - http://www.choices-guide.com/silver/ Maybe one of the mods can update that. There have been many new rubbers out in the past year that are not on this list. I would be nice to build up the list with current rubbers. ------------- |
Posted By: zhijie
Date Posted: 02/28/2012 at 8:44am
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Brand: Yinhe/Galaxy Rubber ID/Model: 49-003/Moon Pro Thickness: 2.1 Color: Red Uncut Mass: 66 g Length: 166mm Width: 166mm (Sponge hardness : 40) ------------- |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 03/07/2012 at 5:30pm
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Brand: Tuttle Rubber Beijing IV Thickness: 2.15mm Color: Black Uncut Mass: 57.16gm Length: 165mm Width: 164mm ------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 03/07/2012 at 8:14pm
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I can but I won't remove the Beijing IV until I am done making some videos with me playing with it. Then I will remove the Beijing IV and mounted in on the cutting board for the robot tests. Currently the Beijing IV is mounted on my Firewall Plus which has a rather larger head compared to my Samonov Alphas that I use for EJing. BTW, I have no problem with the Beijing IV on my FH but I don't play as far back as general specific. ------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 03/08/2012 at 10:27pm
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Fatt, I weight my Firewall Plus with the TB4 on it. It nows weighs 125 and some fraction gram. Before it weighed 117 gm ( from memory ) with the H3 #19 on it. It looks like the TB4 is much heavier. I will be more definitive later when I get all the rubbers off together. Right now I am doing well with the TB4 on my FH. I can mega top spin balls the jump out low under the opponents paddle. Fun. ------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: HowToPlayChineseLoop
Date Posted: 04/03/2012 at 3:31pm
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Fast approximation of cut mass from uncut mass. Cut mass = 75% of uncut mass. Uncut mass = 60g ==> Cut mass = 45g
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Posted By: Vihito
Date Posted: 04/04/2012 at 3:46am
This is one of the most silly comments I have ever seen. |
Posted By: virtuososiu
Date Posted: 04/18/2012 at 8:31pm
may i ask, why? lol |
Posted By: zhijie
Date Posted: 05/10/2012 at 10:44am
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Brand: Joola Rubber ID / Model: 40-013/Rhyzm Thickness: Max Color: Black Uncut Mass: 70g Length: 169mm Width: 169mm ------------- |
Posted By: djnelsen
Date Posted: 05/22/2012 at 1:31pm
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Brand: 729 Rubber ID, Model, Sponge: Focus III Snipe Thickness (max or in mm): 1.8 Colour: Black Uncut Mass(g): 49 Length(mm): 166 Width(mm): 165 |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 05/25/2012 at 9:00pm
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Database updated up to this point. I encourage everyone to keep providing this data. All you need to do is weigh and measure your sheet before you put it onto your blade, and report it here. Cheers guys! ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: neon
Date Posted: 06/08/2012 at 3:48am
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Brand: xiom
Rubber: vega pro
Thickness: 1.8
Color: red
Uncut Mass: 63.3 g
Length: 168mm
Width: 168mm
Brand: xiom
Rubber: vega pro
Thickness: 2.0
Color: black
Uncut Mass: 65.7 g
Length: 169mm
Width: 169mm
Brand: xiom
Rubber: omega IV pro
Thickness: max
Color: red
Uncut Mass: 69 g
Length: 168mm
Width: 169mm
Brand: butterfly
Rubber: t05
Thickness: 1.9
Color: red
Uncut Mass: 68.1 g
Length: 180 mm
Width: 168mm
Brand: butterfly
Rubber: t05
Thickness: 1.9
Color: black
Uncut Mass: 68.6 g
Length: 180mm
Width: 168mm |
Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 06/14/2012 at 6:13pm
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Brand: Yasaka
Rubber ID, Model, Sponge: Rakza 7 Soft Thickness (max or in mm): MAX Colour: Red Uncut Mass(g): 60 Length(mm): 170 Width(mm): 171 |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 06/14/2012 at 6:44pm
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Thanks guys, list updated up to here.
------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: Thomasson
Date Posted: 07/06/2012 at 4:39am
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Anyone knows the weight of Calibra series and the Razka 7 and Rakza 7 Soft?
------------- Blade: TB ALC FH: Tenergy05 2.1 BH: Tenergy64 1.7 |
Posted By: neon
Date Posted: 07/23/2012 at 3:41am
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brand: tibhar rubber: grip s color: black uncut mass:65 g (with fabric glue on the sponge of course, and without plastic covers of course) 16.6 sm x 16.4 sm P.S. After my calculations for 157x150 butterfly blade size cut grip s should weight 47.2 g (I'm not glue to the blade yet). I think it's normal weight for "top" rubber in max thickness, even a little bit light. Last year I bought haifu blue whale II, black, 2.0 mm (allegedly), it's weight was 51.5 g !!! Comment is needless. |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 11/26/2012 at 8:17pm
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Thanks again guys for all your contributions! I've updated http://tabletennis-reviews.com/reference/rubber-sheet-mass-size-database - the database up to this point, and have also just added another big list of my own values, so if there was something not there before, there's a good chance it's there now. Keep the values coming please  ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 12/23/2012 at 10:26pm
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YASAKA Mark V M2 Red 172m x 172mm 63gr 0.2129 DONIC Bluefire M2 black 170m x 170mm 66gr 0.2284 edit: both rubbers above in 2.0mm
------------- /forum/topic91512_page1.html#1124698" rel="nofollow - sales - forum_posts.asp?TID=19315" rel="nofollow - feedback |
Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 12/24/2012 at 6:33am
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Donic Bluefire M1 MAX BLACK UNCUT---- 69 grm. DHS Gold Arc 3 Red 2.0 37º (eight corners) ---- 66 grm
------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 12/24/2012 at 7:19am
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Brand: Xiom
Rubber ID, Model, Sponge: Sigma II Pro Thickness (max or in mm): MAX Colour: Red Uncut Mass(g): 72 ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |