Hurricane 8 review
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Topic: Hurricane 8 review
Posted By: schen
Subject: Hurricane 8 review
Date Posted: 10/18/2014 at 2:45am
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My Hurricane 8 arrived today from Eacheng, here are some photos... I will be testing it tomorrow! http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/steven_chen1/media/IMG_2771_zps4a0335e0.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/steven_chen1/media/IMG_2772_zps305fa119.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/steven_chen1/media/IMG_2773_zps9a04ae40.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/steven_chen1/media/IMG_2774_zps1cd0f010.jpg.html" rel="nofollow"> 
http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/steven_chen1/media/IMG_2775_zpsaf1e104d.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Initial impressions: Hurricane 8 is heavy weighing in at 74g uncut. It comes the h3-50 style packaging but is also vacuum sealed inside the cardboard package unlike h3-50. There is no glue layer on the sponge out of the package, and there is a paper (not plastic) protection sheet covering the sponge. The sponge is very dense and not porous, much more dense than the NEO series and has small ridges similar to the pre-NEO sheets of hurricane/skyline. It has a rubbery feel and I anticipate it is more elastic than the NEO sponge. It feels noticeably harder than any other DHS rubber I've tried. The topsheet is mildly tacky like the average NEO version topsheet and high quality - no smudges or defects I could see. I will be putting it on a Ma Lin Carbon and testing it tomorrow with the plastic ball and the old celluloid and will be posting my impressions/video!
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Posted By: Giangt
Date Posted: 10/18/2014 at 5:00am
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Nice buddy! Keep US posted pls. :) ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=57639&PID=697616#697616" rel="nofollow - My Feedback |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 10/18/2014 at 6:14am
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Boom! Can't wait. Bring the info! ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 10/18/2014 at 6:23am
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i hope this is better than a provincial h3 or globe 999 national. if it's not i'd rather stick to the ones i have mentioned. ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 10/18/2014 at 6:30am
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"Designed for 40+ balls"! Wow, it must be faster and spinnier. ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 10/18/2014 at 2:24pm
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I've glued up the Hurricane 8 to my MLC with 5 layers of Kailin oil (H8 was a little insensitive to tuning, but I was able to get a decent dome comparable to my tuning process with the NEO rubbers by applying an additional initial layer). The rubber weighs about 52g cut with a 1 inch gap on my FH side. The topsheet has a semi-reflective look which I imagine will be even more pronounced in my club's lighting. http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/steven_chen1/media/IMG_2779_zps6ec97170.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  On bounce tests H8 feels similar to the H3NEO, although a little firmer. I would estimate it feels about 40-41deg on the DHS scale. It does not feel particularly bouncy which is promising because I wanted Hurricane 8 to be a development on the hurricane/skyline series and not something completely different like h3-50 turned out to be. It has enough tack to pick up a ball for about half a second. Another thing to note is the sponge color is a more vivid orange than the NEO series, the rubber trim in my hand is from H8 and the background is a TG2 NEO. http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/steven_chen1/media/IMG_2777_zps5e24ccf7.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Heading off to NYISC now, will report back with my review!
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Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 10/18/2014 at 6:45pm
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Hurry! We are all waiting! ------------- Main: Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm Chopper: Stratus Power Defense 85g FH: Hybrid K3 max BH: Grass D.TecS 0.9mm USATT: 1725 |
Posted By: kurokami
Date Posted: 10/19/2014 at 12:07am
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chronos fail! schen is reviewing first ------------- Viscaria H3N/T05 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65345&KW=&title=feedback-kurokami |
Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 10/19/2014 at 12:20am
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Okay so no video yet... didn't get enough usable footage, but here are my thoughts after day 1! First of all, Hurricane 8 is for the plastic ball era, and does not play well with the celluloid ball. For some reason when trying to play with the old ball, the rubber seemed to drop many of my loops and I couldn't get a solid contact very easily. It makes the old ball feel light and floaty, so if anyone else ends up purchasing this, I recommend doing so only after you've completely made the switch to plastic. Now with the plastic ball: Feeling: Feels softer than I initially expected, although the sponge seems dense it is very much elastic as claimed by DHS. It almost feels like playing with the celluloid ball using NEO rubbers, which is pretty nice for people who don't like the new ball feeling. Hurricane 8 feels like a buttery 38 degrees NEO on the DHS scale with the old ball when hitting hard, but closer to a firmer 40 degrees on soft touch shots. Flat Hits/Blocks/Drives: The softer feeling of the ball allows me control the ball with flatter shots very well, and H8 didn't seem to be too sensitive to incoming spin. Smashes and flips were easy to execute. Loops against topspin: Not as powerful or as fast as the NEO series, although it may just require a stroke adjustment. There was more catapult than bite (although not as much as Tenergy), and reminds me of BTY Spin Art, but with a much lower throw. My loops were fairly spinny and had a low arc. H8 has a medium to medium-low throw depending on the situation, and I found myself clipping the net very frequently and had to adjust my stroke upward to compensate. I have yet to figure out how to effectively powerloop with H8 coming from NEO as the sponge feels much softer than I am used to when in play and my natural stroke is not compatible. Counterloop: Hurricane 8 was much easier to counter loop at the table compared to the NEO series, I think mostly due to its increased catapult and elasticity and requires a forward motion. The resulting ball borrows the incoming spin well and makes the fast counter that is effectively un-returnable. Away from the table was not bad either, although the stroke motion had to be adjusted upwards to clear the net. The power was not quite as good as any of the NEO rubbers off the table, but was more forgiving and allowed for some entertaining rallies. Looping backspin: I had some serious problems here, as with this shot in particular Hurricane 8 had an incredibly low arc. I struggled to land the ball on the table with any kind of power, and when it landed it was almost always at the white line. When brush looping, proper timing was critical otherwise the topsheet didn't seem to grab the ball. I will need some more time to see if this is something I can adjust to. After the first day, Hurricane 8 reminds me a LOT of Hurricane 2, but with a softer feeling sponge (although in reality the sponge feels harder than the NEO sponges to the touch). Pushes: Behaves similarly to NEO series, no problems here. H8 was not particularly bouncy in the short game. This was a relief because H3-50 was far too bouncy. Chopping: Out of curiosity I tried chopping (I mess around with modern defense when I get bored with penhold) with H8 on my forehand with good effect. I could produce heavy spin and low arcs close to the net, and coming in for a counter topspin was easy as mentioned before. Day 1 Conclusion: I have a feeling Hurricane 8 is modeled after Hurricane 2, and Hurricane 9 will be modeled after Hurricane 3. I was a bit put off by H8's extremely low arc, but that is simply I am used to higher throw rubbers. I'm sure this may suit someone else who likes rubbers with inherently long trajectories. Hurricane 8 was also slower than I expected, but with no sizable gain in terms of spin. It seems to be more of a control-type rubber than a power looper's rubber. I will be giving it some more time to see if my experience with it changes, but until then please feel free to ask any questions and I'll be happy to answer if I missed anything.
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Posted By: rick_ys_ho
Date Posted: 10/19/2014 at 12:47am
One of the review on Taobao mentioned that people should go for one degree harder for H8 than the H3 hardness they usually play. One question about 5 layers of Kailin oil: is that too much? Do you usually apply that many layers on H3 rubbers? |
schen wrote:Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 10/19/2014 at 12:55am
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Unfortunately I didn't have a choice on hardness for the Hurricane 8 from Eacheng, but if I re-order I will for sure go for a harder degree. And I normally start with 4 thin layers depending on the quality of the sheet I get and go up to 6 thin layers if needed (commercial DHS sheets tend to vary on how well they react to oil). Some people think it's overkill but in my opinion boosting extra on the initial gluing makes the rubber feel much better through the rest of its lifespan. I also don't use a particularly fast blade so the control hasn't been a problem either. ------------- http://bit.ly/1clQmfp" rel="nofollow - Feedback | http://bit.ly/1rcjTiH" rel="nofollow - FOR SALE - updated Mar 19 Dynasty / H3 / H3 |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 10/19/2014 at 6:45am
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I can't help but think that some of these effects are cuased by the Kailin oil treatment. The extremly low throw sounds a little odd to me... even though H3 has higher throw than H2, I still find the throw fairly high for a brush loop. ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: dabeda
Date Posted: 10/19/2014 at 7:04am
| what is kailin oil ? |
Posted By: hookumsnivy
Date Posted: 10/19/2014 at 8:41am
| Thanks for the review. I am curious how much of an impact the boosting had on the various aspects though. |
Posted By: Soundoff88
Date Posted: 10/19/2014 at 8:52am
+1. Thanks for the review. We are missing the merits of the rubber unboosted. |
Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 10/19/2014 at 10:10am
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The rubber would be incredibly slow unboosted and essentially unusable for offense like the rest of the hurricane line without boosting. It is still very much a Chinese rubber that needs treatment before playing unlike tenergy/ESN's. ------------- http://bit.ly/1clQmfp" rel="nofollow - Feedback | http://bit.ly/1rcjTiH" rel="nofollow - FOR SALE - updated Mar 19 Dynasty / H3 / H3 |
Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 10/19/2014 at 10:13am
I was very surprised by the low throw as well although I don't believe the boosting had a dramatic effect on H8. I believe H8's topsheet is not as spinny - despite being tacky - as H3 or even H2's by comparison which leads to a less pronounced arc (especially with the plastic ball) even when brush looping. ------------- http://bit.ly/1clQmfp" rel="nofollow - Feedback | http://bit.ly/1rcjTiH" rel="nofollow - FOR SALE - updated Mar 19 Dynasty / H3 / H3 |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 10/19/2014 at 1:42pm
| Might need more experiment. Over boost, may be? Any another sheet to do only 2-3 coating? |
Posted By: hookumsnivy
Date Posted: 10/19/2014 at 5:20pm
Based on the throw, this is not the rubber for me. Do you find h3 neo prov to be unusable without boosting? I just need a baseline to I can relate to your reviews.
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Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 10/19/2014 at 8:06pm
H3 NEO provincial would be better with boosting, but it is usable without it. H8 boosted is about the same speed as h3 prov unboosted. It is relatively slow, much slower than any of the NEO's boosted, but it could be that I need to give it some more time and adjust my strokes. I also let my coach who is 2500 try it and he feels the same way about H8's speed. His shots with H8 did not have nearly as much kick as his shots with H3 neo provincial, and he hasn't re-boosted his in months. I will be giving it a try again either tomorrow or the day after to see if anything changes
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Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 10/20/2014 at 4:11pm
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@schen Are there any players in your club above 1800 that use any form of Hurricane 3 (NEO, prov, original, etc) without boosting it? I'm curious. ------------- Main: Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm Chopper: Stratus Power Defense 85g FH: Hybrid K3 max BH: Grass D.TecS 0.9mm USATT: 1725 |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 10/20/2014 at 4:36pm
This costs $56?  ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 10/20/2014 at 4:38pm
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The only hurricane 3 neo my club sells is the provincial straight from the coach's supply, and all but one person boost it without question. The only person that doesn't is Kazuyuki Yokoyama, a long pips modern defender (formerly 2500, currently 2300) ------------- http://bit.ly/1clQmfp" rel="nofollow - Feedback | http://bit.ly/1rcjTiH" rel="nofollow - FOR SALE - updated Mar 19 Dynasty / H3 / H3 |
Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 10/20/2014 at 4:40pm
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Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 10/21/2014 at 2:31am
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Had another brief hit with H8 today, and it seems that the low throw is most pronounced when trying to add power. When borrowing power instead of generating power, H8 seemed much more usable to me with a more medium throw. The speed however was still lacking compared to NEO rubbers, and I stand by my statement that this seems to be a control rubber rather than a powerlooping-type rubber like the NEO series of hurricanes. With these characteristics in mind, I am not surprised to see CNT women like Ding Ning using it because their games rely much more on control at the table than power away from the table. I'm going to give it one more try tomorrow. ------------- http://bit.ly/1clQmfp" rel="nofollow - Feedback | http://bit.ly/1rcjTiH" rel="nofollow - FOR SALE - updated Mar 19 Dynasty / H3 / H3 |
Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 10/22/2014 at 1:16am
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My final thoughts on Hurricane 8: I still could not get good results on my Ma Lin Carbon so I moved H8 to a YEO, which is faster and has a harder outer ply. It is better on the YEO for sure, speed is much better and I could loop with better stability and arc. It is still not quite as powerful as the NEO rubbers on the opening loop, but I found I could at least slow loop and brush loop much more consistently on with H8 on the YEO. I would recommend players to use H8 on hardwood blades or at least blades with koto outer plies or harder. Although I would be comfortable using H8 on a harder blade, I think I will stick to my current setup with H3 neo or TG2 and wait for Hurricane 9's release. I still suspect H9 will be the successor of H3 while H8 seems to be more like H2 than any other NEO rubber. ------------- http://bit.ly/1clQmfp" rel="nofollow - Feedback | http://bit.ly/1rcjTiH" rel="nofollow - FOR SALE - updated Mar 19 Dynasty / H3 / H3 |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 10/22/2014 at 5:15am
Well. That turned out to be a bit of a let down, didn't it?  Thanks for the info schen! After your feedback, I would have tried H8 if it had been around the regular H3N price, but I won't take a punt at $56. You have saved me some cash! ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: rick_ys_ho
Date Posted: 10/22/2014 at 7:51pm
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I got a sheet yesterday : black 2.15 mm 39 degree. First impression during the gluing process : the rubber was sealed, which told me it was most probably pre-tuned in the factory. The sponge felt a little bit softer and more elastic than the H3 or H3 NEO sponge when being pressed, but not much. The texture of the sponge somehow felt like really hard tensor rubbers, even when I was cutting it, I felt the same way. Since it is pre-tuned, I didn't boost. After the being glued on the blade, it felt pretty hard, actually it is harder than my provincial H3 (non-Neo, 39) which was boosted more than 2 months ago. The topsheet is as tacky as H3 NEO. I hit a few balls with a cowork at work. It is pretty much like how a new sheet of H3 NEO plays. It does lack the kicks to generate power loop, not like my H3 setup, but it does not surprise me, because new H3 rubbers always feels dull without boosting before the sponge kicks in. Overall H8 does feel like H3 series. Although the H8 sponge is a little bouncier, the whole H8 rubber is still typical hard tacky Chinese rubber, which is a good news to me. I will play it as a spare setup for a couple of weeks until the sponge kicks in and tuning wears off. I will see how it behaves after being boosted, however I won't put more than 2 layers of oil if I boost it. |
Posted By: chronos
Date Posted: 10/23/2014 at 12:13am
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chronos super lame pre-review: Finally picked up my sheets, and glued one tonight to Stiga Clipper CR Legend. Out of the package the rubber seems a little more wiggly / less stiff compared to regular h3 neo. Topsheet has that not totally black, almost "smokey" h3 neo provincial look to it. Not a lot of tack. Sponge seems a little different for sure. I just glued it on. tuning is too much work for me! I gave my haifu tuner away after a few tests. Bouncing it seems a little less dead but nothing crazy here, feels like h3 neo provincial. Nothing different! Maybe a small difference - there's nice tension and kick in the topsheet (just a bit more). I don't want to bias myself or anyone else, but lets face it - h3 was a winning formula. I was wrong to expect radical changes (the ball is changing material and .5 mm and seems to be not that much different). If I had to make a totally early read based on bouncing it in my Kutchen which yes, is worth exactly as much as it sounds like, it would be: DHS changes the pips structure slightly, adds a slightly faster sponge, and introduces the old provincial grade neo topsheet production process into their commercial line for a higher price which the Chinese market (lets face it, a lot bigger) will now bear due to greater prosperity there over the last ten years. To me this is great because I like neo provincial and can buy commercial and not question the pedigree of the rubber anymore. Or perhaps it just leads to the next rat race of finding "provincial" h8, only time will tell :) I don't think this price will last. eacheng is the only vendor to stock it so they can charge a premium for EJ early adopters like myself. I predict it hits the market at a more reasonable price around h3 #50, maybe a bit higher. And on that topic, I still like h3 #50 a lot! That is the rubber everyone asked for - h3 topsheet, "tenergy" sponge. Ok not quite but something suitable for a chinese topsheet. Throws higher and bites nicely, easier to serve with. Still a dangerous short game. Very good on clipper CR. More when I actually make it to a club to play.
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Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 10/25/2014 at 11:43pm
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If anyone else is interested in trying Hurricane 8, send me a PM. I will send you the sheet I reviewed if you simply pay the shipping. It is in a penhold cut to a MLC, but even if you're a shakehand player you can get a good sense of what H8 is about. ------------- http://bit.ly/1clQmfp" rel="nofollow - Feedback | http://bit.ly/1rcjTiH" rel="nofollow - FOR SALE - updated Mar 19 Dynasty / H3 / H3 |
Posted By: chronos
Date Posted: 10/29/2014 at 6:16pm
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TESTED! Don't have much of a review yet but got a chance to play with it (with a celluloid ball) and had fun. I put this on clipper CR with H3 #50 35 degree on the backhand. Great setup. I didn't have to make any adjustments vs. H3, and so far the rubber behaves more or less the same for me. Short game, service, and opening loops all clicked without any issues. Will see as it breaks in, it feels like the topsheet has more pop and tension.
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Posted By: Vardant
Date Posted: 11/06/2014 at 9:44am
| The price went up to $71! That's just insane... |
Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 11/06/2014 at 9:56am
Its insane that some vendors can charge so much for any version of Hurricane. All of their rubbers need boosting so they shouldn't be more than $40. I saw the $140 tag on National H3N on megaspine.net, and a $65 tag for Provincial... Crazy! I remember when Provincial H3N was only $35 and Commercial $22, and now they are just trying to rip off consumers... ------------- Main: Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm Chopper: Stratus Power Defense 85g FH: Hybrid K3 max BH: Grass D.TecS 0.9mm USATT: 1725 |
Posted By: GMan4911
Date Posted: 11/06/2014 at 10:22am
That's a personal preference as many people don't boost. The ones who do are dudes with girly arms.  As far as the crazy pricing, it's supply and demand since National technically isn't supposed to be available for retail and as long as people are willing to pay it, the prices will continue to creep up. ------------- OSP Ultimate II, FH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max BH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max ITC Challenge Speed, FH/ITC Powercell Ultra 48 Max BH/Powercell Ultra 48 Max |
Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 11/06/2014 at 10:26am
Ofcourse. When I used it I never boosted... But if you think about it: Today's Hurricane prices + Booster prices + Decreasing rubber durability with boosting over a period of time probably exceeds the cost of buying Tenergy rubbers. That's why I said they are worth no more than $40. ------------- Main: Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm Chopper: Stratus Power Defense 85g FH: Hybrid K3 max BH: Grass D.TecS 0.9mm USATT: 1725 |
Posted By: Fehrplay
Date Posted: 11/08/2014 at 10:42am
Does this really works better with the 40+ ball or is it just a marketing trick?
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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 11/08/2014 at 6:54pm
It might be, or it might be the most obvious marketing strategy you could use at this exact point in time. I am I think by nature more skeptical than you, Haggis! |
Posted By: rick_ys_ho
Date Posted: 11/27/2014 at 5:42pm
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After I played H8 side by side with H3 for a month, I definitely choose my H8 (still unboosted) over H3 when playing new plastic balls especially in games. |
Posted By: wankhao
Date Posted: 03/18/2015 at 10:15am
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I have a YEO, wonder H8 would fit? |
Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 03/18/2015 at 5:43pm
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Didn't like it on the YEO, throw was too low and feel was mushy. ------------- http://bit.ly/1clQmfp" rel="nofollow - Feedback | http://bit.ly/1rcjTiH" rel="nofollow - FOR SALE - updated Mar 19 Dynasty / H3 / H3 |
Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 04/04/2015 at 11:17am
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Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 04/28/2015 at 9:29am
I had a really fun 3 hour session with H8 (39 degree, black, 2.2mm) last night. I don't have a lot to add to the reviews at this point - I think most of the details given here are bang on the money. Here are some initial thoughts though.
In play...well. Did you ever use H3N and wish it was just a bit more alive in some way? This is that rubber. If you boost H3N you get a range of effects including a softer feel, a more elastic response, and MOAR speed. H8 lacks the speed (I'd say it was pretty much the same speed as H3N overall, but different in where the speed makes itself known) of a boosted H3N, but it does bring a touch of flexibility. People have mentioned that it's 10% more this and that, which is about right - it's nothing major, but it is useful IMO. H8 seemed to help out in the areas which I've always struggled with H3. The slight bounce helps me a lot with blocking and flicks. The general increase in elasticity helps when in a loop-loop rally away from the table. The arc is quite high on effort shots from distance, but it retains the ability to produce a powerful low loop drive with that awkward bounce you know H3N gives you. I split my time roughly 50/50 between celluloid and seamless 40+ balls, and I think it plays well with both. It lacks speed compared with eurojap but feels reassuringly solid which invites big swings - the classic Chinese approach, while being a bit less demanding of user strength and positioning. On a reasonable OFF blade it's fast enough for me, and I don't need to boost it. With the plastic ball you get a better sense of grab on impact than most rubbers I've used so far. As things stand, I'd pick H8 over H3N for its ease of use while retaining good performance. It doesn't sacrifice power for outright flexibility as H3-50 does. And it's reasonably priced these days. Well worth a go if any of the above makes sense to you.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 04/28/2015 at 12:23pm
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Any sellers in the US? ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: aroonkl
Date Posted: 04/28/2015 at 12:49pm
Don't think so.
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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 04/28/2015 at 12:53pm
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A couple of club members have migrated from H3 to H8 on Boll ALC / Viscaria and have loved it. Question: when you order this rubber, do you get to choose the sponge hardness? ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: siestakey
Date Posted: 04/28/2015 at 2:00pm
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ttnpp has 40 or 39 . ------------- Siesta Key W968 Omega Tour 7 i |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 04/28/2015 at 4:29pm
Yes, I ordered from ttnpp as well and there is hardness selection. Well, they only had 39 degree 2.2mm left in stock, but there were other options there from a happier, more simple time when stock existed and it was all fields around here. TT11 is out of stock at the moment. Not sure what their hardness policy is - there is some mention of labeling confusion in the rubber review section. (ttnpp were great, by the way. Shipping was 1 week (a new ttnpp record for me) and they answered a question the next day. Marvelous!) ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: Believer
Date Posted: 05/07/2015 at 7:23am
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AndySmith, How do you compare H8 with Big Dipper? To me, BD still has the Chinese rubber on a tensor sponge feel like Thors. Does H8 is more a livelier H3 without boosted? Has anyone boosted a H8 and see how it hits? Schen, have you tried the H8 on different blade? I wonder if this rubber needs a slightly flexible blade to pair with. Thx |
Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 05/07/2015 at 7:35am
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My only trial with H8 was with a YEO and an MLC. I personally did not like it very much, too low of a throw when paired with those blades. H8 feels hard to the touch but soft and elastic in play, especially when boosted. I think it would play better on something like a clipper or stiffer 5-ply blades. ------------- http://bit.ly/1clQmfp" rel="nofollow - Feedback | http://bit.ly/1rcjTiH" rel="nofollow - FOR SALE - updated Mar 19 Dynasty / H3 / H3 |
Posted By: PingPongHolic10
Date Posted: 05/07/2015 at 8:45am
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H8's throw is higher with Hayabusa ZX, I find H8 & Big Dipper fairly similar whereas BD is more livelier (from being factory tuned). Both just slightly tacky & doesn't produce as much spin as H3 prov with number stamp. I believe different hardness in each rubber in sensitive to each blade. I've used NR-50 (Rosewood) with an untuned 39, & find it excellent in everything. Somehow I still believe that 38 tuned will play far better & easier than the latter. (more dwell, prob same top gears). Since the price of H8's is on par with BD, why not just try it for yourself? ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55790&KW=&title=fs-ft-2014-inventory-clearancecpenspro-releases" rel="nofollow - My FS/FT Member of Yinhe,OSP & Nexy Clan |
Posted By: Believer
Date Posted: 05/07/2015 at 2:24pm
| I am just trying to decide if I want to spend the money to try it since I am still happy with 729 battle 2 at the moment. Thx all the feedback.. |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 07/03/2015 at 6:39am
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last night I had a brief hit with H8 39 and Nittaku H3 Pro, both on a Yinhe T1. Ball was Tibhar 40+. Initially I was reluctant to try them on a blade so different than mine, but can I really kill the EJ in me? It was a hot evening and me and my partner were struggling to understand the behaviour of the new ball- mostly me , extremely unhappy with the lack of the usual load of spin in my shots. Then there came that guy and he proposed me to try the T1 with the above mentioned rubbers and to my surprise the ball came back to life. Spin was enormous, my partner missed 80% of my heavy topspins. The rubber felt surprisingly lively and softish{for a Chinese one} To me the arc wasn't as low as people are pointing, rather high, long and difficult to block. I mainly looped, drove and smashed with the H8 on my FH. Really nice. For me the Nittaku H3Pro next to the H8 was a big disappointment. Nothing special, less spin and speed. Control was on par with the H8. I am still to figure out if the blade{T1}was the one to provoke my enthusiasm or the rubber it self, or the combination.Now I am looking for a good place to buy it from. So far only Tabletebbis11 are selling it at reasonable price. There is something strange in TTNPP when trying to choose the options for rubber. Does anyone know other shops which is selling H8 39 ? ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: wanhao
Date Posted: 07/03/2015 at 8:23am
| H8 mid-hard or H8 hard. |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 07/03/2015 at 9:02am
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39. I guess this is suppose to be mid hard ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: JacekGM
Date Posted: 07/03/2015 at 3:51pm
In our country (USA) the prices are, approximately: BD $20, H8 $44. ------------- (1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH. |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 07/03/2015 at 9:03pm
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BD is absolutely unknown around here(Brussels)....... ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: wanhao
Date Posted: 07/04/2015 at 1:54am
| Tried H8 mid-hard 2.2mm..its definitely a more lively rubber than H3...i would say its quite similar to G1 rubber but more tacky..less sticky than H3 H2...will be ordering more.. |
Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 07/04/2015 at 2:32am
Even in China H8 cost 2 to 3 times more than BD so they are not in the same class. But BD does play better for me and factory tune seems to last forever. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53150&title=feedback-turboz - My Feedback |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 07/16/2015 at 6:18pm
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Hi guys. I've just got mine H8 2.15 mid hardness. I was wondering should I boosted with some Falco Long, or there isn't much of a difference? Anyone..... ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: siestakey
Date Posted: 07/17/2015 at 3:41pm
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Yes , H8 40degree goes like a rocket with Dianchi on a DS90 ! ------------- Siesta Key W968 Omega Tour 7 i |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 07/17/2015 at 5:26pm
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Thanks mate. I'll give it two hefty layers of Falco Long hoping that doing it once would be enough for several months ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: manraid
Date Posted: 03/11/2016 at 4:41pm
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can anyone compare h3neo (unboosted) to h8 as i'm interested to to give h3neo a try with h8 on mj szlc? thanks in advance ------------- MJ SZLC ST FH Hurricane 8 2.15m Black BH Super 999t 2.2mm Red |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 03/11/2016 at 4:52pm
Try Omega V Asia. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: onehander
Date Posted: 03/11/2016 at 5:10pm
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I play h3neo unboosted (I think 39 deg), and my bro-in-law used h8 (mid-hard) for not quite 2 months. I've played a bit with the h8, and it's really similar in spin with high throw, but a little bit faster and bouncier. That might be because the sponge hardness isn't identical, so I'm not sure. But I can play with them interchangeably without any adjustment. On the other hand, using something like Evolution MX-S, it requires total re-adjustment simply because of the much lower throw. I'm curious of how Omega V Asia compares to MX-S and H3neo though. What are the biggest differences NextLevel? I don't know anyone around that plays with Omega V Asia so I can't personally try it. Thanks. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 03/11/2016 at 5:19pm
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Omega V Asia has better arc than MX-S so it makes some shots easier. It has worse passive blocks and that is a deal breaker for some. For me, definitely not. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: onehander
Date Posted: 03/11/2016 at 5:51pm
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I like playing H3neo on both wings, but while I like my FH perfectly as is, my BH sometimes needs a bit more speed ( and I don't want to boost). It looks like Omega V Asia might be worth trying later on. Hopefully it's not factory boosted and doesn't rapidly change over weeks of play like my co-worker's MX-P. I like H3Neo also because of it's stability and consistency every session. Thanks NextLevel!
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Posted By: manraid
Date Posted: 03/11/2016 at 6:46pm
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"it's really similar in spin with high throw, but a little bit faster and bouncier." u mean h8 is same spin ,higher throw ,bit faster ,bouncier than h3n? is it right ? i recall from h3n reviews that they said that it has higher throw than h8 and h8 has lower throw than h3n can u confirm this to me onehander? ------------- MJ SZLC ST FH Hurricane 8 2.15m Black BH Super 999t 2.2mm Red |
Posted By: manraid
Date Posted: 03/11/2016 at 6:56pm
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next level about mx-s i put 2 sheets on my tbs and i must say it is as most members reviewed and i think it is really a very developmental rubber i don't like the rubber that do the job for me other wise i will continue with my bad foot work and no intention will be needed to fix it as long as the"lazy" rubber do the job for me really mx-s is a linear rubber the amount u put into it the amount u got out from it then i put a sheet of mx-s on mj szlc and it is wooooooooow mx-s feels very different on this blade i must say the throw angle isnot low but it is medium high (same as mx-p on tbs) and the speed of mx-s on mj szlc is higher than mx-p on tbs and block of mx-son mj szlc is better than mx-p on tbs really a very different rubber totally on this blade i don't realize that balde makes a difference and matters alot untill i shift from tbs to mj szlc however my current combo in an overall result is bouncier alot (mj szlc in short game is bouncy in itself adding that both mx-s and h8 are unforgiving rubbers u can imagine what i'm talking about ) i think this combo is very developmental and benefit me alot in order to obligate myself to learn good footwork and right positioning and best contact time with the ball otherwise i will really punished with no mercy at all ------------- MJ SZLC ST FH Hurricane 8 2.15m Black BH Super 999t 2.2mm Red |
Posted By: onehander
Date Posted: 03/11/2016 at 7:32pm
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I can only confirm my experience with the sample I tried on my bro-in-law's blade. The throw is similarly high to H3neo. Although faster, it is not significantly faster, and not enough to make a difference on my backhand. That is why I was wondering about the Omega V Asia since NextLevel offered that in reply to your request for H3neo experience. The H8 sample I tried is not tacky. I get spin more from grip with H8. My bro-in-law has far more experience with H8, since it was his paddle. He switched to H3neo (which he got from his Coach) on Chinese New Year's eve when I helped glue it on his paddle during the dinner party. While gluing it, I noticed that it had 38 degree and a simplified Chinese character printed on the sponge. I actually can't read Chinese and asked him what it said. He said it says "province". I told him his Coach sold him the good stuff. Since then, I find his shots are much more consistent at mid-distance, while the rest of his game is about the same. He does not boost either. |
Posted By: manraid
Date Posted: 03/11/2016 at 8:14pm
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what blade do u try h8 on it? and how u compare the tack of h8 to h3n ? and thanks for your respond ------------- MJ SZLC ST FH Hurricane 8 2.15m Black BH Super 999t 2.2mm Red |
Posted By: Bobpuls
Date Posted: 03/12/2016 at 1:24am
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H8 is tackier than h3 neo and has better control . because the top sheet is not so hard as h3neo and sponge is more elastic ... you can feel the more dwell time on it and this gives you great control advantage. ------------- Custom carbon/aramid off FH DHS H8 BH DHS TG 3-60 Custom carbon off++ FH DHS TG2 BS BH DHS TG3-60 National |
Posted By: manraid
Date Posted: 03/13/2016 at 9:36am
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among the dhs hurricanes ( h3n-h8-h2n ......) which has the highest tackiness and the most durability ? thanks in advance ------------- MJ SZLC ST FH Hurricane 8 2.15m Black BH Super 999t 2.2mm Red |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 03/13/2016 at 4:21pm
I use H8 39d on a Gambler Double Carbon, works good. ------------- Hntr Fl / 4H & BH Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
Posted By: manraid
Date Posted: 03/13/2016 at 7:47pm
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among the dhs hurricanes ( h3n-h8-h2n ......) which has the highest tackiness and the most durability ? ------------- MJ SZLC ST FH Hurricane 8 2.15m Black BH Super 999t 2.2mm Red |
Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 03/13/2016 at 8:04pm
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From my experience, I would say the original, non-neo hurricane 3 ------------- http://bit.ly/1clQmfp" rel="nofollow - Feedback | http://bit.ly/1rcjTiH" rel="nofollow - FOR SALE - updated Mar 19 Dynasty / H3 / H3 |
Posted By: manraid
Date Posted: 03/13/2016 at 8:09pm
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hurricane 3 the highest tackiness or the most durable or both? ------------- MJ SZLC ST FH Hurricane 8 2.15m Black BH Super 999t 2.2mm Red |
Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 03/13/2016 at 8:18pm
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both, but that does not necessarily lend itself to being highly playable in today's game though unless you like the older brick-hard feel. ------------- http://bit.ly/1clQmfp" rel="nofollow - Feedback | http://bit.ly/1rcjTiH" rel="nofollow - FOR SALE - updated Mar 19 Dynasty / H3 / H3 |
Posted By: manraid
Date Posted: 03/13/2016 at 8:40pm
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hurricane 3 heavier and harder than h3n and h8???
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Posted By: schen
Date Posted: 03/13/2016 at 8:47pm
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heavier than neo, but I don't think it's heavier than h8. The weights of rubber from DHS tend to vary a lot though... I wouldn't be surprised if you find different sheets that weigh as little as h3 or as much as h8. ------------- http://bit.ly/1clQmfp" rel="nofollow - Feedback | http://bit.ly/1rcjTiH" rel="nofollow - FOR SALE - updated Mar 19 Dynasty / H3 / H3 |
Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 03/14/2016 at 2:01am
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The H8 39deg I have is lighter than my Xiom Sig Pro 2. ------------- Hntr Fl / 4H & BH Xiom Sigma Pro 2 2.0 Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 03/14/2016 at 7:02am
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My H2 NEO 39° the lightest and the tackiest of all the Hurricanes I have, although playing a tacky surface doesn't help me at all with the poly ball ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 03/14/2016 at 8:10am
H8 much hevier |
Posted By: superjet
Date Posted: 03/15/2016 at 3:40am
DHS Hurricane 8 Rubber Review |
Posted By: ahsq
Date Posted: 04/04/2016 at 1:24pm
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H8 is very easy to lift underspins due to tackiness. the red dye comes off ------------- FS: Xiom Vega Pro ST 85 grams $80 shipped Donic Waldner Senso Carbo JO shaped ST $40 shipped |
Posted By: manraid
Date Posted: 06/24/2016 at 10:30am
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how is its weight compared to tenergy 05? ------------- MJ SZLC ST FH Hurricane 8 2.15m Black BH Super 999t 2.2mm Red |
Posted By: Bobpuls
Date Posted: 06/24/2016 at 10:32am
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it is lighter but not to much ------------- Custom carbon/aramid off FH DHS H8 BH DHS TG 3-60 Custom carbon off++ FH DHS TG2 BS BH DHS TG3-60 National |
Posted By: manraid
Date Posted: 06/24/2016 at 10:34am
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t05 is lighter??? ------------- MJ SZLC ST FH Hurricane 8 2.15m Black BH Super 999t 2.2mm Red |
Posted By: Bobpuls
Date Posted: 06/24/2016 at 10:50am
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no ------------- Custom carbon/aramid off FH DHS H8 BH DHS TG 3-60 Custom carbon off++ FH DHS TG2 BS BH DHS TG3-60 National |
Posted By: Bobpuls
Date Posted: 06/24/2016 at 10:54am
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Or mayebe after tuning is the h8 heavier. ------------- Custom carbon/aramid off FH DHS H8 BH DHS TG 3-60 Custom carbon off++ FH DHS TG2 BS BH DHS TG3-60 National |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 12/07/2016 at 10:51am
What hurricane is better for a developing kid? |
Posted By: ThePongProfessor
Date Posted: 12/07/2016 at 1:08pm
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http://blog.tabletennis11.com/dhs-hurricane3-neo-3-50-provincial-review http://blog.tabletennis11.com/dhs-hurricane-8-table-tennis-rubbers-review-39-degree-40-degree ------------- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/ThePongProfessor http://mytabletennis.net/forum/feedback-thepongprofessor_topic69419.html" rel="nofollow - Feedback |
Posted By: m123456
Date Posted: 05/03/2017 at 9:34pm
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low arc means this is like a true Chinese rubber, compared to the high arc produced by hurricane 3 commercial. ------------- Feng Shuei |
Posted By: opnub
Date Posted: 06/06/2018 at 11:57am
| So on TableTennis11.com there's 2 versions of Hurricane 8, Mid-Hard and Hard. While on Taobao there's only 39 degree and 40 degree. Does anyone know if the 39 degree is Mid-Hard and the 40 degree is the Hard version of Hurricane 8. I've asked the customer service but they seem to have no idea. |
Posted By: darucla
Date Posted: 06/06/2018 at 12:26pm
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I bought some mid-hard and got 39 degree, so probably Yes. |
Posted By: ThePongProfessor
Date Posted: 06/07/2018 at 1:57am
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When I received H8 from TT11 in the past, MH = 39, and H = 40. ------------- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/ThePongProfessor http://mytabletennis.net/forum/feedback-thepongprofessor_topic69419.html" rel="nofollow - Feedback |
Posted By: opnub
Date Posted: 06/07/2018 at 4:44am
| thanks guys |
Posted By: azv
Date Posted: 02/25/2020 at 5:49pm
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if hard = 40, mid = 39, the new soft version in TT11 should be 38 degrees, right? ------------- TSP Swat, V15 Extra, LP |
Posted By: Zwill
Date Posted: 07/09/2021 at 4:55pm
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So I'm very confused, one of the guys asked me to get him a new blade and re-glue his T05 and H8 red 39deg 2.2mm. Both rubbers are well used, Tenergy weights at 48g, while the red 2.2mm 39 deg H8 is 39.8g... Isn't this supposed to be a heavy rubber? Does it have a ton of factory boosting that makes is heavy when new? I saw others write this is around 50+ grams cut, but here I'm holding one in my hand that is 39.8g.
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