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Topic: Hardbat First, Sponge Later
Posted By: stiltt
Subject: Hardbat First, Sponge Later
Date Posted: 11/09/2019 at 2:43pm
The following idea is inspired by the fact that I started playing in France and we had hardbat paddles only. I was 12 and 3 years in a row, in a garage, I was playing in the weekends with the kids of the family that welcomed me as that boarding school was closed on non school days and my parents were making money abroad  (I saw them 3 times year, 3 weeks at xmas, 3 weeks at Easter, 2 months in the summer).

The rallies were long and controlled it was all about placement, especially to take advantage of the killing angles due to close walls or cars. I think a lot of what I do better than other things from within my game, whatever the level, is fueled by those years of hardbat. Placement, going across, going along the line or to the elbow is relatively more important to do in hardbat since there is no spin factor.

Would it be smart to teach young people to play hardbat first for a few years before moving them to using sponge and inverted? could a hardbat game be a more solid foundation and great material to build a strong framework for the spin game?

In terms of strategy and tactics, the hardbat game seems to me more subtle because the ecosystem is far simpler. The idea is that it would train smarter players who, when switching to sponge and spin, would have an advantage.





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Posted By: acpoulos
Date Posted: 11/09/2019 at 8:24pm
Theory used to be to first develop strokes on hard rubber before transitioning to sponge.

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Posted By: Skyline
Date Posted: 11/10/2019 at 9:14am
A good reason for this would be to learn players how to basic counter and flat hit properly. A lot of coaches focus on the topspin way to early which leads bad basic fundamentals and bad consistency.


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 11/10/2019 at 12:31pm
Loop is a basic stroke. Generalizing that learning to loop early is vey inaccurate view. Too many factors to consider. 

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Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 11/10/2019 at 2:25pm
While I do find that my contact with the ball generally improves after a stint with sp with sponge however I feel that hardbat is a really different game with different strokes, so if you start someone with hardbat they will have to unlearn too many strategy, muscle memories and strokes. So I actually don't know if the benefit outweighs the cons

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Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 11/11/2019 at 9:23am
Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

While I do find that my contact with the ball generally improves after a stint with sp with sponge however I feel that hardbat is a really different game with different strokes, so if you start someone with hardbat they will have to unlearn too many strategy, muscle memories and strokes. So I actually don't know if the benefit outweighs the cons


Agreed.
TT Coaches based at schools or big clubs tend to have sessions where the kids use only the blades, no rubber. Far better link to the inverted rubber style.


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Posted By: pingpongpaddy
Date Posted: 12/18/2019 at 7:44pm
IMHO
HARDBAT
With or without rubber is the ultimate touch game, requiring players to rely on control and placement to win points. I am thinking of having our youngsters spend half an hour playing HB matches once a week. It should improve their creativity a lot
Unfortunately the rest of the time needs to be devoted to sponge development
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Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 12/18/2019 at 10:22pm
Originally posted by pingpongpaddy pingpongpaddy wrote:

IMHO
HARDBAT
With or without rubber is the ultimate touch game, requiring players to rely on control and placement to win points. I am thinking of having our youngsters spend half an hour playing HB matches once a week. It should improve their creativity a lot
Unfortunately the rest of the time needs to be devoted to sponge development
s


Too many free points from the relatively awkward characteristics of HB (pimple) play.
Much easier transition for the kids to use a smooth surface bat.  I have a couple of cork bats deep in my shed. They are like an extremely slow, very low spin sponge bat. In the new year, I can dig them out and send you for free if you want.


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>65yo, presently overweight rather than obese.

Currently testing; Darker Speed90 with T05H/Dignics05. Update; T05 on BH is impressive when all is right,but D05 wins more points

Delusion is an asset


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 12/19/2019 at 1:19am
Dear Sir Tinykin, what was you best win in hardbat? was it actually a loss?

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Posted By: Tinykin
Date Posted: 12/19/2019 at 5:53am
Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

Dear Sir Tinykin, what was you best win in hardbat? was it actually a loss?


I am from the tropics where even a HB in the sixties was expensive. I started with hardcover books, graduated to pieces of wood then to a Barna hb then to Nirvana, a Dunlop Barna sponge bat.
My best win was probably helping my school to a second place finish. So yes, a team loss sadly.
January is my league's annual HB competition. A big win will be impossible as there are 3 young men also entered who are currently top 50 in the country with one who is an England junior international.


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>65yo, presently overweight rather than obese.

Currently testing; Darker Speed90 with T05H/Dignics05. Update; T05 on BH is impressive when all is right,but D05 wins more points

Delusion is an asset


Posted By: pingpongpaddy
Date Posted: 12/19/2019 at 8:18am
Originally posted by Tinykin Tinykin wrote:

Originally posted by pingpongpaddy pingpongpaddy wrote:

IMHO
HARDBAT
With or without rubber is the ultimate touch game, requiring players to rely on control and placement to win points. I am thinking of having our youngsters spend half an hour playing HB matches once a week. It should improve their creativity a lot
Unfortunately the rest of the time needs to be devoted to sponge development
s


Too many free points from the relatively awkward characteristics of HB (pimple) play.
Much easier transition for the kids to use a smooth surface bat.  I have a couple of cork bats deep in my shed. They are like an extremely slow, very low spin sponge bat. In the new year, I can dig them out and send you for free if you want.


Really generous offer Tinykin, but we have enough HBs already. Glad to see you still involved in the game!!

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