The route you seem to be ready to take is paved with a lot of bitter.

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Which tenergy is made in China? Smells like fakes

Despite the fact that the national greek players that I have seen their rubbers with my own eyes and their tenergies are exactly like ours...

I have seen from 2 TOP players their tenergies after they took them of and they were like ours too.

Tenergys are soley made in Japan. The "China" print probably means that the rubber sheet is meant for the chinese market or to be more specific for a (certain) chinese player...(of course these prints could have been made by someone else that Butterfly too...)

That being said, I'm not too sure if I should believe in National versions of Tenergy. However, if they (i. e. slightly modified/improved versions of Tenergys) do exist, then, with all due respect, greek national players are maybe not good or important enough to get access to the "real thing"; if these "National Tenergys" do exist that is.

Also, besides the CHINA print, there are some special big letters (normally 3 or 4) and something like -------CR----------- on the sponge. 

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"National" Tenergy is a myth.

I once asked a former top Euro player (sponsored by Butterfly) if the pros get a better Tenergy version rubber than us commercial buyers. He said NO. Very Top Butterfly-sponsored players can request where their rubber sheets are cut from the huge slab of Tenergy rubber at the plant. He didn't elaborate on this any further. 

Another time, I managed to get a hold of a new Tenergy 25 sheet from a Top South Korean player sponsored by Butterfly.  It was the same as the packaged version. 

And speaking with two Butterfly dealer reps, they said there's no such thing.  

I think you are getting too caught up on the "SP" part or whatever was printed on the sponge. That entire review above sounds like placebo effect to me. A more premium look? Serves speed?

Also, he's comparing a used rubber to what...another used rubber?

If RSM really did have some uber secret Tenergy I doubt he would be giving it away on some online giveaway too. Butterfly wouldn't want him to.

People that are invited to butterfly head quarters (dojo)get special tenergy as a gift , A player told me that he got the sheet and sold it and  he said that was more boosted  version than regular T05..I guess SP must mean special version

I was hoping to stay out of this conversation because it's all been argued ad nauseam before.  However, I want to reinforce Donn's earlier posts.

I have also asked Pros and International coaches before, and the various Japanese and European rubbers generally don't have special "pro" versions of their rubbers. I say generally because I can't be sure for all brands, but I know this applies to Butterfly.  As Donn notes, Pros can ask to have their rubber cut from different parts of the "sponge loaf".  Sponge is manufactured in blocks like a big loaf of bread, and the sponge characteristics are different near the ends of the loaf compared to the center.  I think Pros generally prefer cuts near the ends, which are harder.  So in that sense, a pro can ask to have a sheet with sponge cut from the ends, whereas the retail sheets we all buy have cuts of sponge that are random (and therefore will vary in hardness).

In addition, elite pros are supplied stacks of rubbers, so they can pick and choose which sheets they think they like best.

I also recall the interview with Timo where he complained that the CNT had access to special rubbers while he had to use retail (commonly available) rubbers.  He was quite upset (for him -- he seldom gets too upset) about it.

My guess is that the RSM sheet was something selected to his preference (where it was cut in the sponge loaf) and selected by him out of a set of rubbers.  The only problem with wanting to play with a Pro rubber is you have to have Pro-level strokes to really take advantage of it.

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in another interview samsonov boll and other bty played said they use way harder tenergies and heavier I dont think a sheet from the other big sheet is gonna be harder

I'm not quite sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me.  Getting your sponge from the ends of loafs is quite a bit harder (and heavier) than in the middle of the loaf.  This is what the pros seek.  But it's still the same materials as the retail rubbers.

I'm not quite sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me.  Getting your sponge from the ends of loafs is quite a bit harder (and heavier) than in the middle of the loaf.  This is what the pros seek.  But it's still the same materials as the retail rubbers.

I think pros are not allowed to say they use special versions , I tried some long pips from national team korean chopper and its diffrent very diffrent from the comercial version 

"Not allowed" is too strong of phrasing.  If someone is sponsored to promote a particular product (this applies to many types of products), they are generally prohibited from promoting competing brands.  Most such contracts do not have requirements about whether to admit that pros use "special versions" of retail products.  In fact, in sports is often the case that professionals will admit to having their own version and the public understands that that's because those people are professionals.  In the case of table tennis, a sponsored professional might be hesitant to say something too blatant that could upset their sponsor, when talking about their own products, but that doesn't stop them from talking about product differences in general terms.  

At any rate, for the interview that Timo gave he's not going to lie and explicitly claim that his rubber is the more or less retail rubber if that's not true.  There wouldn't be any point to it; if he's got custom "pro" rubber, why bother to complain about the CNT's custom rubbers?  At most, he should just say nothing.  The only reason to complain is because he does just use retail rubber (albeit, cut from the loaf ends).

By the way, I did think of a way to get your own pro version of Tenergy or Dignics.  Contact Butterfly and ask to buy every sheet of rubber made from one sponge loaf.  You can sell off or give away the sheets cut from the middle of the loaf and then keep only those sheets from the loaf ends.  Those will be the pro sheets.  Alternatively, you could just buy thousands of sheets of rubber, figuring that randomly, some of those sheets will be from loaf-ends.

I don't know about the long pips.  What brand was it?

nittaku screw, I tried the pro version and it was very disturbing despite it was kinda new and when I got the comercial version it was very dull 

same was with peter karlsson clipper is faster feels way more solid

I'm not sure about long pips, but it's hard to see how they could make a "pro version" of a long pip rubber without labeling it as something else.  I think the sponge material is less important because it usually quite thin (but a good long pips expert could correct me on this).  The pips shape/size is fixed; that can't be changed without getting approval from ITTF for a new rubber.  And the top sheet material is unlikely to be changed.  Possibly the pro sheet was treated (which is illegal, but might be seen the same as boosting).  Or possibly the pro tried several sheets to find one he liked and there is just that much variance in the sheets.

Karlsson Clipper is a blade, and that's a whole different question.  It's well known that some pros will use different blades with a fake handle to make the blade look like their sponsored blade.  Or pros can get customer blades, although usually the manufacturers will admit that (and, in fact, even club players can order custom blades).  Even within stock retail blades, I've watched while pros went through selecting a "good blade", and they are very good a telling the difference between what look to be identical blades.  I've seen a pro pick one blade out of ten, stating that the other nine are garbage.

I think pros are not allowed to say they use special versions , I tried some long pips from national team korean chopper and its diffrent very diffrent from the comercial version 
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Sherlock says the pro version of the long pips was fresher than the commercial version - in a package for who knows how long - which is more "aged".   Elementary dear Watson

  

Plus us and the pro does not play under the same situation... The Chinese national team probably have an unlimited supply of rubbers boosted to the max that they can use a fresh one every game if they like. And very likely the rubbers are customised without longevity in mind... Case and point would be mxp, I would really use mxp if performance didn't deteriot so fast, but to Samsonov, that is not an concern as he probably have a limitless supply from tibhar. 

We have the secret now, National Tenergy will improve your technique and footwork

I'm going to wait for the International Tenergy, so I can pick up chicks

shape of pips under topsheet in nat H3 is diffrent,they re shorter and wider

I'm skeptical of this.  Or, more precisely, if they have different pips, then it's not H3 at all.  When rubbers are submitted to ITTF the pips configuration is specified.  If you change that configuration then you have to submit it as a different rubber.  So all versions of H3 have to have the same pips structure, and if you change the pips, then it's technically a different rubber.

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I have a pic taken from a rusian site I will try to post but a player that have a real H3 from warming area in a wttc told me that the pics looks diffrent under the topsheet and the throw angle of nat H3 is very very low

I dont find hard to believe that rubbers are structurally diffrent for pros given the fact that ittf has done many shady things in the past. 

 Apart from that , without boost h3 nat is basically just a slow control rubber, and yes ,its throw is quite a bit lower compared to reg h3. 

yep.and it has a diffrent smell