Blade composition question
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Topic: Blade composition question
Posted By: notfound123
Subject: Blade composition question
Date Posted: 09/27/2020 at 10:15am
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Let's look at the following two blades: Limba, Ayous, Ayous, Ayous, Limba (Xiom Off S) Limba, Limba, Ayous, Limba, Limba (Korbel) I know one is 6.1mm and the other one 5.9 but let's assume they are the same thickness. Q1) Based on the composition alone, which one is faster? Q2) What would be a reasonable step up from Xiom Offensive S, preferably 5+2, that won't be $300/blade as I am gonna need to buy two identical blades. |
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Posted By: SmileTT
Date Posted: 09/27/2020 at 1:54pm
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Stan, Ayous is more springy and faster than Limba. I like ayous it can be used as a singly ply / core, outer veneer, and/or medial veneer. If you are looking for 5+2 construction, my recommendation would still be Butterfly. ALC blades' dampening qualities will often produce rebounding frequencies between 1400-1500 Hz, a moderate step up from the blades you listed and personally, my preferred speeds. ------------- Xiom Omega IV Euro | Freitas ALC | Xiom Omega IV Euro https://tinyurl.com/yaoh8suu" rel="nofollow - Feedbacks |
Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 09/27/2020 at 8:52pm
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Thank you. I think you are spot on. Just today I glued my son's rubbers on a spare korbel... and tried both Korbel and Xiom Offensive S side by side, same rubbers on both. To my surprise the Xiom Offensive S blade ended up being just a tiny bit faster and was more solid overall. Korbel had more flex and was kind of head heavy. Neither my son nor I liked the setup with Korbel (he's been training w/ these Xiom blades for at least 2 or 3 years). I also removed the rubbers and did a simple bounce test on bare blades. It also confirmed that Korbel was slower (lower tone) and Xiom Off S pitch was higher and felt faster. Don't know the frequencies, just went by sound and feel. I believe thickness also has a lot to do with it as one is at 6.1mm and the other is 5.9mm. |
Posted By: SmileTT
Date Posted: 09/27/2020 at 9:18pm
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Yes, for the new plastic ball, blades at least 6.0mm in thickness feels better. It's more solid and stable. ------------- Xiom Omega IV Euro | Freitas ALC | Xiom Omega IV Euro https://tinyurl.com/yaoh8suu" rel="nofollow - Feedbacks |
Posted By: doraemon
Date Posted: 09/28/2020 at 5:28am
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Now the problem is Offensive S and Tibhar Stratus Power Wood and also Korbel have the same composition: limba - limba - ayous - limba - limba Offensive S (6.1 mm) is faster than Korbel (5.9 mm) So Offensive S is faster because it is thicker and its head size is 157x150 mm. Korbel's head size is 158x152 mm, so it is obvious that Korbel will be more head heavy and also a bit more flexible. Stiga Allround Evolution (6.0 mm) is limba - ayous - ayous - ayous - limba, is a bit thicker than Korbel (by 0.1 mm), but let's say they are the same thickness because of the production variation, and it is obvious Korbel is faster than Stiga Allround Evolution. I can safely say this because I have Korbel and Allround Evolution with the same weight: 89 grams. So limba - limba - ayous - limba - limba blade will be faster than limba - ayous - ayous - ayous - limba blade, given that they are of the same thickness.
------------- Blade : Just wood FH : black rubber BH : red rubber |
Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 09/28/2020 at 9:21am
According to many sources its composition is Limba, Ayous, Ayous, Ayous, Limba. If it's incorrect and is in fact the same as Korbel, it explains everything.
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doraemon wrote:Posted By: Veet
Date Posted: 10/02/2020 at 2:44am
If you want an upgrade with a smilar'ish composition, then I'd recommend Donic Waldner Senso Ultra Carbon (WSUC) ... It's priced well @ around $55 If you don't mind deviating a bit on the wood composition, then I would highly recommend the DHS Hurricane 301. At around $75, it's more expensive than the Donic WSUC, but still, not something you'd have to break the bank for.
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Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 10/02/2020 at 10:41am
Thank you for the recommendation. Not a fan of Donic blades but will definitely consider the 301 blade. The blade(s) would be for my son and most promising juniors of his age have already switched to Carbon so we have to start exploring as well. |
Posted By: fmarek
Date Posted: 10/02/2020 at 11:54am
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I always thought limba + limba is faster than limba + ayous. As an example take HL5, even though a sweet spot is enlarged with inner carbon layer it is still slow blade. L + A + alc + A + alc + A + L Faster 5ply is a blade with spruce, for example ? + spruce + ayous + spruce + ?. You can choose the top ply based on your preferences of crispiness. These may be: limba < walnut < rosewood or wenge. Stiga covers all these: Infinity, Intensity or Nostalgic series with prices more or less sane. I am not bringing Ebony from Stiga into list because despite of similar structure it has a different flexibility characteristics - it does not bend in the center, hence does not "hold" ball on high impact. It is outlier from that line. These are just examples, I am sure you may find copies made by other brands.
------------- 729 Green Goblin 5, FH: 729 Battle II National H39, BH: Palio HK1997 Gold. DHS Long 5, FH: 729 Battle II Gold H40, BH: Nittaku C1 |
Posted By: Veet
Date Posted: 10/02/2020 at 12:27pm
Oh, I quite like Donic Blades - Donic Persson Carbotec, Donic Defplay Senso, Donic WSUC .. I like all these... Any particular reason(s) why you're not a fan of Donic blades ? Another option for a first-time carbon blade would be Stiga Offensive Classic Carbon |
Posted By: TT newbie
Date Posted: 10/02/2020 at 4:36pm
The immediate upgrade of 5-ply limba - aaa - limba blade is a 7-ply blade with same construction. Clipper is made of limba - aaaaa - limba. However Clipper has 6.7mm and it might be too fast and hard for a 5-ply blade user. |
Posted By: Veet
Date Posted: 10/03/2020 at 2:10am
There's no hard-n-fast rule that The immediate upgrade of 5-ply limba - aaa - limba blade is a 7-ply blade with same construction. .. It'd depends on how your game is .. I know plenty of players who've played with a Stiga Allround Classic (5ply Limba AAA Limba) for 2 years or so, and then upgraded to some Carbon-composite blade.. That being said, Stiga Clipper is one of my favs.. If you're looking for a fast all-wood blade, then it'd be one of my recommendations... The 7-ply Limba-Ayous-Ayous-Ayous-Ayous-Ayous-Limba blade is produced by every blade manufacturer worth his salt.. Huaruite makes an exact replica of the Clipper, and it costs a fraction.
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