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USATT 1200 all the way. Right. Sure. Obvious. Not.
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Originally posted by BH-Man BH-Man wrote:

USATT 1200 all the way. Right. Sure. Obvious. Not.

That high! ?... Can't see it myself Wink
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You guys are terrible joker's lol, this is 2400+ imo...just look at the crazy shot quality.... 
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they dont look that good on the defence very hesistant and inconsistent
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Originally posted by Skyline Skyline wrote:

they dont look that good on the defence very hesistant and inconsistent

their rallying ability is also non existent


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2300? Definitely not professional, or even close to it. But good enough to win in most clubs

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Return the third ball and you win the point. 2000-2200 depending on location.
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It’s so weird... these kids have very powerful and high quality shots with great advanced technique but at the same time they couldn’t keep the rallies going for just 6-7 shots for once in the entire clip, making countless unforced errors, which is very unusual for high level players (>2300). Many shots look 2400+ level but also too many errors look like 1800 level.

I guess they just practice the difficult shots and overlook basic stuff (?). They are not well trained Chinese players for sure because well trained players don’t play this way. They lost points too easily. Just amateur club players trying to play like CNT.

My guess is 2100-2200


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I’m shocked that all the illegal serve police haven’t been all over this video yet. Every serve the guy in yellow does( I only watched about 2 games) he drops his ball hand below the table and the other guy except for his high toss serve is tossing the ball backwards into his body. Lol

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Tough one. Quality is easily 2400, but I guess at worst 2350+
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Originally posted by balldance balldance wrote:

It’s so weird... these kids have very powerful and high quality shots with great advanced technique but at the same time they couldn’t keep the rallies going for just 6-7 shots for once in the entire clip, making countless unforced errors, which is very unusual for high level players (>2300). Many shots look 2400+ level but also too many errors look like 1800 level.

I guess they just practice the difficult shots and overlook basic stuff (?). They are not well trained Chinese players for sure because well trained players don’t play this way. They lost points too easily. Just amateur club players trying to play like CNT.

My guess is 2100-2200



yeh, they are just amateur players. I guess they got their framework right but they just don't have as much time as pro to practice to reduce unfored errors. They are around 1900s in chinese rating. Looks so maybe 2200 in us rating per input in this thread.
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Originally posted by Vince64 Vince64 wrote:

I’m shocked that all the illegal serve police haven’t been all over this video yet. Every serve the guy in yellow does( I only watched about 2 games) he drops his ball hand below the table and the other guy except for his high toss serve is tossing the ball backwards into his body. Lol

I am normally in the Vanguard of the complaint unit, but I laid off and was too busy joking to mix in serious comments.

First thing I saw was one player serve practically backwards nearly all the time.
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to me they look higher than 2200 (just searched for a random 2200 video) ...


comparing to 2300 they also look a bit higher


for me they look similar to this



but they are young, in china, and show some little glimpses of high quality.

final veredict:
2400 aiming to 2500


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I just watched the first minute of the last video. And i can see two big differences already 1. There is a short game going on 2. Both players rally consistently.

Imho at the amateur level good looking strokes are not the way to define level.
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Originally posted by Skyline Skyline wrote:

I just watched the first minute of the last video. And i can see two big differences already 1. There is a short game going on 2. Both players rally consistently.

Imho at the amateur level good looking strokes are not the way to define level.

I think the chinese have a more aggressive over the table style.
they always look for that full power forehand shot.
that's why the points don't last so much.

also the chinese are playing in the club more relaxed while 

Sid Naresh (2426) vs Matthew Lu (2400)

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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

You guys are terrible joker's lol, this is 2400+ imo...just look at the crazy shot quality.... 

crazy shot quality on predictable 3rd balls and completely useless on everything outside of third ball attack. these guys would stand little chance against the 2400+ crowd, i'm going 2200 at the max. 

edit: revised estimate. unlikely they are even 2300 


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i've seen a few people mention they are young, what, these guys are clearly both adults. they are both good at third ball attack and the rest of their game is a giant gaping hole. there is no way to get past 2400 with that many gaping holes in their game. i'm going anywhere from 2000-2300 depending on how well the opponents can deal with their all out one dimensional style. more likely in the 2000-2200 range.

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Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

You guys are terrible joker's lol, this is 2400+ imo...just look at the crazy shot quality.... 

crazy shot quality on predictable 3rd balls and completely useless on everything outside of third ball attack. these guys would stand little chance against the 2400+ crowd, i'm going 2200 or 2300 at the max. 


look at the backhand at 0:13
look at the forehand at 0:07... it's like a nuclear missile KAPOOOSSSHHH!!!!!
with those two shots I'm sold.

I don't see that technical level here even though some points are quite long like the one starting at 6:46

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Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

You guys are terrible joker's lol, this is 2400+ imo...just look at the crazy shot quality.... 

crazy shot quality on predictable 3rd balls and completely useless on everything outside of third ball attack. these guys would stand little chance against the 2400+ crowd, i'm going 2200 or 2300 at the max. 


look at the backhand at 0:13
look at the forehand at 0:07... it's like a nuclear missile KAPOOOSSSHHH!!!!!
with those two shots I'm sold.

I don't see that technical level here even though some points are quite long like the one starting at 6:46


already said their third balls are very strong. unfortunately they can't really do anything else decently. quite odd to see such drastically one dimensional players. 

two shots should never be  enough to sell you on someone's level especially when you are talking about supposedly over 2400 players. lots of players in the 2000-2300 range could block their first balls back and if they do its game over.
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Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

You guys are terrible joker's lol, this is 2400+ imo...just look at the crazy shot quality.... 

crazy shot quality on predictable 3rd balls and completely useless on everything outside of third ball attack. these guys would stand little chance against the 2400+ crowd, i'm going 2200 or 2300 at the max. 


look at the backhand at 0:13
look at the forehand at 0:07... it's like a nuclear missile KAPOOOSSSHHH!!!!!
with those two shots I'm sold.

I don't see that technical level here even though some points are quite long like the one starting at 6:46


already said their third balls are very strong. unfortunately they can't really do anything else decently. quite odd to see such drastically one dimensional players. 

two shots should never be  enough to sell you on someone's level especially when you are talking about supposedly over 2400 players. lots of players in the 2000-2300 range could block their first balls back and if they do its game over.

what makes you think if you block he can't just loop again?
they are chinese.
movement and fh loop is their bread and butter.

actually the fact that they never do a fh block could also indicate a high standard of play..... the knowledge that just blocking will never give them the point.

the US players, even the ones with higher level have a style where if you throw to their bh they play bh.
if you throw to their fh they play fh.


"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 loops once, but I fear the man who has practiced one loop 10,000 times."


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the fact that they are wildly inconsistent. these guys actually have poor footwork which is why neither of them can rally and are frequently off balance. have you ever played players in these levels or are you just basing off of what you see on youtube videos? 
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the fact that they are wildly inconsistent. these guys actually have poor footwork which is why neither of them can rally and are frequently off balance. have you ever played players in these levels or are you just basing off of what you see on youtube videos? 

Not so easy to rally when the shot quality is that high. Sometimes even Ma Long vs Xu Xin is a 3rd ball festival with no rallies, would you say that they're terrible players? 
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

the fact that they are wildly inconsistent. these guys actually have poor footwork which is why neither of them can rally and are frequently off balance. have you ever played players in these levels or are you just basing off of what you see on youtube videos? 

Not so easy to rally when the shot quality is that high. Sometimes even Ma Long vs Xu Xin is a 3rd ball festival with no rallies, would you say that they're terrible players? 

they don't hit high quality shots all the time. players who can hit a fantastic shot once in a while don't necessarily make great players.
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

the fact that they are wildly inconsistent. these guys actually have poor footwork which is why neither of them can rally and are frequently off balance. have you ever played players in these levels or are you just basing off of what you see on youtube videos? 

Not so easy to rally when the shot quality is that high. Sometimes even Ma Long vs Xu Xin is a 3rd ball festival with no rallies, would you say that they're terrible players? 

the shot quality is good but not as amazing as you are making it seem. certainly wouldn't be out of the norm for 2400+ players. the ma long and xu xin comparison is weird because for the players in this video we have substantial evidence that the rest of their game outside the third ball is very weak
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Very hard to play against good attackers, I originally thought it was just highlights 
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They look easily over 2200 to me. Likely 2300+ and maybe 2400+ depends on the rest of their game, which we don't see. There is no way they are like 2000-2100 IMO!
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Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

They look easily over 2200 to me. Likely 2300+ and maybe 2400+ depends on the rest of their game, which we don't see. There is no way they are like 2000-2100 IMO!


looks like the poster said that these players have a 1900 chinese rating. i believe the chinese system is very similar to the US system for ratings from what i know but i could be wrong. maybe someone else can fill us in there. 


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Yeah I saw that message too. To me that meant a 1900 Chinese rating seems is a lot stronger than a 1900 US rating haha.

But yeah, it's impossible to say for sure in these threads so it's all just for fun! But having that information is good because maybe there are other people with a Chinese and US rating that we can use to compare with.

Anyone have any experience between the two?
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about what rallies are you talking about? They serve return isn't great, but their third ball attack shots are awesome, so to expect a rally after that would be a mistake. They should be around 2100 or a little bit up imho.
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