Side swipe with Long pips

Hi here,

Why is there a different result of side swipe with LP when Left to right and right to left?

cheers

It's going to depend on the spin on the ball.  Are you going with the spin or against the spin, or if it is a no spin ball since most balls in live play/practice have at least some side spin on them.  It will vary depending on how hard your contact is, how much grip your pips have (do you keep them clean?  If not then one side of the pip may have less friction than the other especially for grippy pips), lots of factors.  This is so complicated, it is easier to set up a controlled environment for yourself.

Edited by 1dennistt - 05/29/2014 at 2:51pm

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I'm 8 months into using LP's so I'm probably not a good example on tactics.  I find that I can place the ball quicker to the location and be more deceptive on the direction of my placement than a push.  I also find that opponents tend to overthink my hit when they see a sideswipe stroke.

It does take speed off the ball just because you have a longer contact with the ball. It's also useful when you try to trick your opponent re the direction of the shot. I find it especially useful with the right to left sideswipe to the opponent's BH. For some reason the right to left sideswipe can sometime generate the wobble effect, don't know why.

nachalnik wrote: It does take speed off the ball just because you have a longer contact with the ball.

mercuur wrote: Wiping makes sure that the pips bend. The difference it makes depends on how easy the pips bend, stiffness, length etc.  The elasticity (working on the ball) of long pips for bending is less compared with a frontal compression on the top so therefor it makes the rebound slower, more controlled.

Edited by suds79 - 05/30/2014 at 9:24am

tt4me wrote: nachalnik wrote: It does take speed off the ball just because you have a longer contact with the ball. Explain to me why.  It's also useful when you try to trick your opponent re the direction of the shot. I find it especially useful with the right to left sideswipe to the opponent's BH. For some reason the right to left sideswipe can sometime generate the wobble effect, don't know why. This is the problem, no one can explain why.  The wobble effect happens when the ball has no spin. Spin stabilizes the ball and its trajectory. My problem with this myth is that no one can explain how the kinetic energy is absorbed. A pull back black would be more effective in this regard. If the LPs can spin the ball then a side swipe will stabilize the ball and its trajectory but it wouldn't be near as effective as side spin with inverted rubber.

The wobble effect is caused by the airflow and the pov of yr opp (my coach pointed out 2 pts to me. 1. same return motion and same coming spin will not create same return spin/path. 2. I may see my no spin returns are useless, it can cause problem to my opp, different pov at the other side. ), not you. Using LPs is not trying to stabilize the ball; using Lps is trying to create choas .

actually, with the modern LP players - the ones who really utilize the pips.....

suds79 wrote: Seems as though there are some LPers here who employ the side-swipe return and some who don't. Generally speaking, what do you guys like to do vs a short backspin serve? It's too short for a full chopping motion and I find that I often set up winners by only pushing it. It is either too high or goes back to them as plain ole topspin which is bad news. Do I need to get more aggressive against those and try putting more force into my pushes? Almost turning it into an attacking shot? Thanks.

I use LP's OX and I attack short backspin serves in 3 ways.

1.  An aggressive deep push with placement will be difficult for your opponent to attack.

2.  A quick flip to the corners surprises most opponents.

3   An aggressive side spin push with good placement can result in a quick point.  This is a very quick push, almost like a punch at the bottom side of the ball.

mts388 wrote: in2spin wrote: actually, with the modern LP players - the ones who really utilize the pips..... downspin balls can actually be hit easily with the LPs it's the topspin ones that need to be windshield wiper'd and reversed :) I haven't worked very much on attacking deep downspin balls, but find that attacking topspin balls is very easy.  I don't windshield  wiper the ball, but I imagine I have inverted on my backhand and come straight over the top of the ball with the exact same stroke as a inverted loop.

mts388 wrote: I'm always surprised at how two players can play balls with entirely different strokes.    I'm not sure what you meant when you said a flat blade.  I attack a topspin ball as if I were hitting the ball with inverted.  I use a very closed blade with an almost horizontal stroke.

tt4me wrote: mercuur wrote: Wiping makes sure that the pips bend. The difference it makes depends on how easy the pips bend, stiffness, length etc.  The elasticity (working on the ball) of long pips for bending is less compared with a frontal compression on the top so therefor it makes the rebound slower, more controlled. But then any tangential motion will do.  I prefer to make chopping strokes to increase back spin.  However, I don't see any significant slow down. This needs to be tested.

Wiping is not spinning. Spinning requires an accellerating bladeface on contact (not necessarily the bat as a whole but the spot where the ball is contacted) while wiping just needs to move the bat sideways in a linear motion.
It often occurs undeliberate from a quick reaction to the side, far backhand corner or opposite. The bat contacts the ball then while it,s still  in a linear motion to the side.

When the incoming ball has topspin or backspin this also causes wobble, wiggling or whatever you name it.
The bat moving sideways imbalances the angular momentum of the ball a little when the ball rolls sideways on the paddle (with the pips bending sideways).

Similar idea as a spinning top or hoop. When the angular momentum is imbalanced slightly the spinning plane  and axis start to wiggle around the angular momentum.
With a tabletennis ball the magnus effect also reacts on this imbalance. 



Edited by mercuur - 05/31/2014 at 9:17am

Please stop giving away my stroke secrets. FOILED AGAIN!! No side-swiping, please. No talking about it and no using it!!!