Tenergy 05 or Hurricane 3 National???

maybe provide more info like what you are currently using. personally, i have never used National version but played with Provincial for a while. 

for short game and 3rd ball attack H3neo has more control and is generally considered better, service might slightly better too. away from the table T05 is better since you dont need to generate so much power yourself--> less large swing--> faster recovery, away from the table looping is also quite a bit more forgiving with T05. But in those aspects T64 is even better i think

If i played shakehand id definitly get H3neo over T05 on FH

Yeo works very well with hard tacky rubbers btw. not sure about Tenergy


Edited by crackfst - 05/11/2013 at 8:22pm

H3N must cost you more than $100 to be considered genuine. Of course, I am talking blue sponge only.

They are both great rubbers. H3 National will be better for you long term, but you may end up quitting TT because it has a higher learning curve(crappy basement technique doesn't work). You may stay under 1000 forever. 

Hi

If you never play any sort of H3, try the cheaper commercial or provincial versions first.

Tenergy is definitely easier to use, especially for looping/counterlooping. requires much less swing speed and swing size for a decent loop/drive, hence its so much better on backhand than any chinese rubber.

I agree that If youve never played chinese Rubbers on the Forehand you should really first get commercial or provincial grade rubbers and some boosters and see if you even like it. No point in paying so much for a national hurricane if you might end up hating it

Also to the guy above, while Tenergy lasts a decent time(the topsheet is very durable) the sponge loses a lot of its pop and power after a few weeks. still better than most tensioned rubbers but still, not that durable if you ask me


Edited by crackfst - 05/13/2013 at 1:00am

To the guy above, no doubt the Tenergy does lose some power and pop after some time, but by durable I mean it has a really long-lasting topsheet and the sponge still maintains some of the catapult effect it's known for. IMO even after a while the bounce is still fairly comparable to a H3 with one layer of VOC glue. I have the same piece of Tenergy 64 on one side of my paddle (for the past 3 years) and a H3 Pro on the other, so I get to bounce the ball on both sides every now and then, glued or otherwise to be able to tell. Without glueing or tuning, H3 is just simply a piece of un-taut rubber that seems to be in the way of the blade.

Hi,

The difference between H3Neo and H3 Neo National is not significant if you boost. The quality of the topsheet of the national is a bit more elastic, but the right amount of tuner makes the sponge of the commercial version nearly as good.

At an intermediate level most points never go beyond the near-mid distance and service return and third ball are far more important.
I've tried T05 for around 20-25 hrs and took it off. Once you get used to the big swing on the FH, a medium hard sponge does not cut in anymore.

If you  are more of a counter-looper, I can suggest the Sigma I Pro over the T05or even H3 National.

guys: 

now that tenergy is down in the 60 dollar range, bluefire doesn't really have the allure anymore. I have used it, and it is nice. But its still missing that magic that you get with a tenergy. It's completely great, but it's just missing a little something in comparison I d K......

popperlocker wrote: They are both great rubbers. H3 National will be better for you long term, but you may end up quitting TT because it has a higher learning curve(crappy basement technique doesn't work). You may stay under 1000 forever.  T05 like many many many threads have pointed out, will destroy your technique, but you may win more people. If you're an average person with no preference to China or Euro style, get T05 1.7. Don't get 2.1, you'll spend many nights cussing and abusing your Tenergy, because it won't listen to you. If you can afford it, buy both. H3 National and Tenergy 05 1.7 This way you will know for yourself and learn more about technique, power, and styles. Instead, of guessing from reading random people's thoughts.

OK...

1st of all Danroid...not to be mean or anything but you need to stop making so many threads pretty much asking very similar questions (H3 Nat or Tenergy... and how does either work with YEO etc etc etc..).

2nd of all... you say you're a intermediate player but when you use H3 Neo your shots fly off the table 80% of the time? Yet you want to spend over $100 bucks on a H3 National? Your reasoning REAALLLLY doesn't make sense here.

Just because it's National doesn't mean it comes with magic fairy dust that will improve your play and make you loop like Zhang Jike. Save yourself time and money and spend it on proper coaching to improve your consistency so you can land your shots more than 20% with what you got currently vs depending on a equipment change to help you.

On another note, this is why I really hate how much tuning is used for advice on here especially with Chinese rubbers. The guy is missing 80% of his shots with H3 and people are telling him to add boost to his setup... just crazy.

Edited by Rack - 05/15/2013 at 1:48am

So you say you played with a boosted commercial and "play like Zhang Jike". If you played that good with it... why not just get exactly the same thing? Why change something you're comfortable with and play good with just for the sake of changing? Stick with what works for you as long as it's not limiting you in any way. Doesn't make much sense to disrupt that and pay that much more money when you already have an established setup you play consistent with. Listen to IanMCG when he says "Equipment does the most damage to your game when you change it more often than not."

Also listen to everyone whos telling you to go up to Provincial and no higher. Unless you're a very high level player who plays high level tournaments alot, there's pretty much no reason to spend the money to get Nationals. Theres not too many people on this forum that can even play up to the level of a Provincial player... so if they can accomplish their level of play using that grade of H3, why would you spend that much more money to buy National along with the risks to get fakes? Not to mention the cost of replacing it when it wears out which it does like any other rubber.

Think about it this way... the novelty of a sheet of National only lasts for a short time... especially if your main reason is to "play like Zhang Jike." Well guess what (lets assume you have Zhang Jike's skill which you don't)... Zhang Jike probably changes his rubber fresh every few days to a week for free so what you see is pretty much a fresh sheet at all times paired with insane amount of training. So is that 1 sheet of National really worth 2.5x sheets of Provincial to someone without all that training? Does your current skill level really juice every ounce of advantage from the Provincial grade sheets to really need the extra ceiling that National can bring and warrant paying a lil more than double the price?

Edited by Rack - 05/15/2013 at 2:23am