Alex Table Tennis - MyTableTennis.NET Homepage
  Help Desk Help Desk  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Virus response: Clubs doing anything different?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Topic ClosedVirus response: Clubs doing anything different?

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 10111213>
Author
obesechopper View Drop Down
Silver Member
Silver Member


Joined: 04/20/2011
Status: Offline
Points: 709
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/28/2020 at 11:47am
Does anyone else read the anti-hype or conspiracy minded, over-exaggeration articles/videos on covid? Something like: https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/

When did covid19 really start infecting people vs when it was first tested for? 

I've been trying to find actual numbers on an increase of deaths, from c19. In comparison to how many people die on a 'normal' rate from previous years. And also, are people dying from the c19 outright or from other related problems? Is the c19 simply a hastener of death? Or the real cause? Didn't Italy claim 99% of deceased had other diseases? 

Anyway, I've read/heard so much of the doom and gloom I decided to see how the other side lived and had some fun researching and comparing.

For instance here are some numbers for Italy I came across regarding flu in previous years:


Highlights

In the winter seasons from 2013/14 to 2016/17, an estimated average of 5,290,000 ILI cases occurred in Italy, corresponding to an incidence of 9%.

More than 68,000 deaths attributable to flu epidemics were estimated in the study period.

Italy showed a higher influenza attributable excess mortality compared to other European countries. especially in the elderly.

Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
Egghead View Drop Down
Premier Member
Premier Member
Avatar

Joined: 09/05/2009
Location: N.A.
Status: Offline
Points: 3994
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/28/2020 at 12:44pm
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Originally posted by qpskfec qpskfec wrote:

Comparing ratios is meaningless at this point.

The numbers are highly skewed depending on testing volume. Germany has done a lot more testing than many countries, 500,000 per week, so they have found many asymptomatic people. Asymptomatic people don't require any treatment so no one can really say Germany "treats" patients better than anywhere else.



That was what I was thinking too.  I didn't know how many people they had tested. 

The article you linked to has useful information but seems to make some strange conclusions unless I'm misreading it.  They refer to the testing as German's "secret weapon" against the virus.  But asymptomatic people were never going to die regardless of whether they were tested or not!  The case fatality rate is what it is either way.  It is just that their estimate is closer to reality. 

Testing does let you quarantine positive people so they don't spread it to other people (or are less likely too).  And that is a key thing but hardly a secret. 
You missed the key word "extensive." I believe they test everyone who had contacted with a person who has the coronavirus, with or without symptoms.
Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX
Back to Top
DonnOlsen View Drop Down
Silver Member
Silver Member
Avatar

Joined: 11/15/2008
Location: Maryland, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 881
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/28/2020 at 2:28pm
Hi,

Upon my inquiry, one of my friends who is an epidemiologist at the CDC in Atlanta, GA (where I previously worked) indicated that in epidemiological statistical analyses, many times the term "treatment" refers to any documented interaction with medical services, including the diagnostic work performed.  In this usage, it is synonymous with the term "interaction" with documented medical services.  Accepting this usage at face value, the usage is an attempt to encompass, in one term, the complete person/patient experience with medical services, from beginning to end.

[When at the CDC, working in a statistical division, I observed the use of this term in that manner.]

He also noted that in medical statistical analyses, it is very common to separate the diagnostic functions from the direct treatment functions.

Thanks.


Edited by DonnOlsen - 03/28/2020 at 2:31pm
"Speed kills but technical speed absolutely annihilates defenders." Mia Hamm
Back to Top
NextLevel View Drop Down
Premier Member
Premier Member
Avatar

Joined: 12/15/2011
Location: Somewhere Good
Status: Online
Points: 13338
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/28/2020 at 2:57pm
Originally posted by WeebleWobble WeebleWobble wrote:

Sorry guys, Germany probably has close to the same death rate as everywhere else.  Supposedly if someone has a comorbidity they list that as the cause of death.  So if they get corona and die but had asthma then they died from asthma.  

If this is true, the mortality rates in Germany for all diseases should be higher this year especially in the elderly.  It will not show up immediately but people will look back and analyze the data for that trend.
I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Carbonado 45/245
FH: D09C 1.9 R/B
BH: T05H 1.9 B/R
Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes.
Back to Top
NextLevel View Drop Down
Premier Member
Premier Member
Avatar

Joined: 12/15/2011
Location: Somewhere Good
Status: Online
Points: 13338
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/28/2020 at 3:02pm
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Is there strong evidence that putting people on ventilators makes a big difference to their survival odds?  Just thinking out loud.


Ventilation is the standard treatment for anyone with acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) which is generally what makes people die from a cornonavirus (or influenza). 

During ARDS the type-2 pneumocytes stop making something called pulmonary surfactant, which has two effects:  gas exchange between little air sacs and capillaries carrying blood is reduced, and mechanical properties of the airways are badly altered, requiring more mechanical force (negative pressure) to fill them with air.  At that point, without artificial ventilation, the patient will usually die.  There are many other aspects too.  There is an immune-mediated inflammatory response in the lungs causing the little air sacs to fill up with fluid, and the resulting release of cytokines from a variety of immune cells that live in the lung affects numerous other organ systems. The fluid filled air sacs (alveoli) are pretty much out of action.  It is known that it is important to ventilate at low tidal volume but higher frequency (other wise you actually make the inflammation worse).  Often the ventilation works better if the patient is placed on their stomach.  And it is often necessary to place the patient into an artificial coma so that they don't try to breathe on their own and fight the machine.  In really bad cases, they can try to put the blood into another type of machine to add the gas to the blood that way.  In the mean time, they may also need to do temporary hemodialysis to maintain blood electrolytes.

I remember reading that survival of ARDS patients caused by viral infection who need a ventilator is somewhat better than a coin toss, at least in ideal ICU conditions.  But without it, chances of surviving approach zero.

Other problems are that that the cytokine storm in ARDS and other factors have a tendency to cause failure of other organs, especially the kidneys.  The patients are almost always acidotic due to elevated blood pCO2 which can quickly become lethal if kidneys fail.  There is almost always a hypokalemia (low blood K+) that is hard to manage also.  Consequences often lead to cardiac aryhthmias, often fatal.

I don't have time to put links to all of these things, but this is what we teach in medical school and you can find information on this all over the internet. 
Thanks.  It will be a lot of money for a lot of ventilators.   I hope they make a difference.
I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Carbonado 45/245
FH: D09C 1.9 R/B
BH: T05H 1.9 B/R
Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes.
Back to Top
Baal View Drop Down
Forum Moderator
Forum Moderator


Joined: 01/21/2010
Location: unknown
Status: Online
Points: 13927
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/28/2020 at 3:42pm
And frankly a lot more money for the masks and other protective stuff we need now.  But it will actually stimulate the economy to spend it.  That is the bright side.

Looking down the road a bit, let's say one of these drugs being tested turns out to work.  Then we will need a ton of money to produce it in sufficient quantities and get it to people.


Edited by Baal - 03/28/2020 at 3:42pm
Back to Top
qpskfec View Drop Down
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: 07/28/2011
Status: Offline
Points: 452
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/28/2020 at 4:26pm
A huge % of prescription drug production has moved to India and China due to lower costs. This extended global supply chain has many risks. $$$ is probably the least problem for rich countries.

The India PM just ordered a 21 day lockdown of the entire country. Is India going to be more like Germany or Italy? India's drug production capability may be about to take a big hit.

Hopefully China will be able to step up production if an effective drug is found.

Back to Top
Egghead View Drop Down
Premier Member
Premier Member
Avatar

Joined: 09/05/2009
Location: N.A.
Status: Offline
Points: 3994
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/28/2020 at 4:38pm
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by WeebleWobble WeebleWobble wrote:

Sorry guys, Germany probably has close to the same death rate as everywhere else.  Supposedly if someone has a comorbidity they list that as the cause of death.  So if they get corona and die but had asthma then they died from asthma.  

If this is true, the mortality rates in Germany for all diseases should be higher this year especially in the elderly.  It will not show up immediately but people will look back and analyze the data for that trend.
x2

Anyway, people told me that most of Germans were detached (not the correct word but I cannot find the correct one now) and soically-discipline. That two characteristics really helps the "social distancing"
Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX
Back to Top
DonnOlsen View Drop Down
Silver Member
Silver Member
Avatar

Joined: 11/15/2008
Location: Maryland, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 881
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/28/2020 at 5:34pm
HI,

The New York Times is interested in Germany here.  You should be able to read it on the Opinion Page for free on their website:

You can copy and paste this:


Germany Has Relatively Few Deaths From Coronavirus. Why?

The country is not immune to the pandemic. So what explains its current low fatality rate?

"Speed kills but technical speed absolutely annihilates defenders." Mia Hamm
Back to Top
DonnOlsen View Drop Down
Silver Member
Silver Member
Avatar

Joined: 11/15/2008
Location: Maryland, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 881
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/28/2020 at 6:46pm
Hi,

Published Friday, March 27, some bad news:

A spate of mysterious second-time infections is calling into question the accuracy of COVID-19 diagnostic tools even as China prepares to lift quarantine measures to allow residents to leave the epicenter of its outbreak next month. It's also raising concerns of a possible second wave of cases.

From March 18-22, the Chinese city of Wuhan reported no new cases of the virus through domestic transmission — that is, infection passed on from one person to another. The achievement was seen as a turning point in efforts to contain the virus, which has infected more than 80,000 people in China. Wuhan was particularly hard-hit, with more than half of all confirmed cases in the country.

But some Wuhan residents who had tested positive earlier and then recovered from the disease are testing positive for the virus a second time. Based on data from several quarantine facilities in the city, which house patients for further observation after their discharge from hospitals, about 5%-10% of patients pronounced "recovered" have tested positive again.

Some of those who retested positive appear to be asymptomatic carriers — those who carry the virus and are possibly infectious but do not exhibit any of the illness's associated symptoms — suggesting that the outbreak in Wuhan is not close to being over.

"Speed kills but technical speed absolutely annihilates defenders." Mia Hamm
Back to Top
Skynet View Drop Down
Member
Member
Avatar

Joined: 10/22/2019
Location: Germany
Status: Offline
Points: 68
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/29/2020 at 3:49am
Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Germany Has Relatively Few Deaths From Coronavirus. Why?

The country is not immune to the pandemic. So what explains its current low fatality rate?




Just to give you some small backgrund information from here. The corona virus first appeared in Germany in late January. A large company in Bavaria was affected by this. A female colleague from China (she visited the Wuhan area before her trip to Germany) who works for a partner or subsidiary company visited Bavaria and infected a few colleagues who in turn infected some of their family members. However those were only 14 cases (IIRC) as a whole and these people got isolated very quickly. So there was no danger from there anymore.
However the main wave of infected people were usually people who are not so-called riskpatients (old and /or sick). These were young and middle-aged people who visited Northern Italy, Austria and Switzerland for skiing holidays and who had a relatively mild course of disease. Therefore the first chains of infections were mainly among these age groups and explains the so far low martality rate. Since then of course the chains of infections have spread to old and sick people as well. As a matter of fact a home for the elderly about 50 miles from my place has several infected people (elderlys and their caretakers) and every one of them (including contact persons) got isolated for 14 days. Local newspaper calls the situation serious...although there are two homes for the elderly which already lost 12 people each to corona. Also there are regions in western and south-western Germany that have complained about capacity-problems (not enough ICUs); mind you that Germany has about 28000 ICUs (about 5 - 6 times as many as England).
So now that the chain of infection has spread over to the old and sick the mortality rate in Germany will (very probably) rise eventually...


Edited by Skynet - 03/29/2020 at 7:18am
Back to Top
DonnOlsen View Drop Down
Silver Member
Silver Member
Avatar

Joined: 11/15/2008
Location: Maryland, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 881
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/29/2020 at 6:25am
Originally posted by Skynet Skynet wrote:

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Germany Has Relatively Few Deaths From Coronavirus. Why?

The country is not immune to the pandemic. So what explains its current low fatality rate?




Just to give you some small backgrund information from here. The corona virus first appeared in Germany in late January. A large company in Bavaria was affected by this. A female colleague from China (she visited the Wuhan area before her trip to Germany) who works for a partner or subsidiary company visited Bavaria and infected a few colleagues who in turn infected some of their family members. However those were only 14 cases (IIRC) as a whole and these people got isolated very quickly. So there was no danger from there anymore.
However the main wave of infeted people were usually people who are not so-called riskpatients (old and /or sick). Those were young and middle-aged people whos visited Northern Italy, Austria and Switzerland for skiing holidays and who had a relatively mild course of disease. Therefore the first chains of infections were mainly among these age groups and explains the so far low martality rate. Since then of course the chains of infections have spread to old and sick people as well. As a matter of fact a home for the elderly about 50 miles from my place has several infected people (elderlys and their caretakers) and every one of them (including contact persons) got isolated for 14 days. Local newspaer calls the situation serious...although there are two homes for the elderly which already lost 12 people each to corona. Also there are regions in western and south-western Germany that have complained about capacity-problems (not enough ICUs); mind you that Germany has about 28000 ICUs (about 5 -6 times as many as England).
So now that the chain of infection has spread over to the old and sick the mortality rate in Germany will (very probably) rise eventually...

Good information.  Thank you!
"Speed kills but technical speed absolutely annihilates defenders." Mia Hamm
Back to Top
WeebleWobble View Drop Down
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: 07/07/2012
Status: Offline
Points: 472
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/29/2020 at 8:37am
South Korea had a low mortality rate because they were testing people very early.  In the U.S., Italy etc people are often not being tested until they have had the disease for a week or 2.  If you test early there is a greater lag between testing and death.  The South Korea mortality rate continues to rise though as more people die and now is at 1.5% for confirmed cases.

If Germany tested early and often then expect their mortality rate to rise...
Back to Top
Egghead View Drop Down
Premier Member
Premier Member
Avatar

Joined: 09/05/2009
Location: N.A.
Status: Offline
Points: 3994
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/29/2020 at 1:44pm
Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

Published Friday, March 27, some bad news:

A spate of mysterious second-time infections is calling into question the accuracy of COVID-19 diagnostic tools even as China prepares to lift quarantine measures to allow residents to leave the epicenter of its outbreak next month. It's also raising concerns of a possible second wave of cases.

From March 18-22, the Chinese city of Wuhan reported no new cases of the virus through domestic transmission — that is, infection passed on from one person to another. The achievement was seen as a turning point in efforts to contain the virus, which has infected more than 80,000 people in China. Wuhan was particularly hard-hit, with more than half of all confirmed cases in the country.

But some Wuhan residents who had tested positive earlier and then recovered from the disease are testing positive for the virus a second time. Based on data from several quarantine facilities in the city, which house patients for further observation after their discharge from hospitals, about 5%-10% of patients pronounced "recovered" have tested positive again.

Some of those who retested positive appear to be asymptomatic carriers — those who carry the virus and are possibly infectious but do not exhibit any of the illness's associated symptoms — suggesting that the outbreak in Wuhan is not close to being over.

Beside all kinds of the errors (human error, defective test kit ...), around mid-Jan, there was a rumor going around that this coronavirus would stay with the patients for the rest of their life, and it would be like HIV ConfusedConfusedConfused (don't know about can hydreoxychloroquine flush all them out, the dr here ???)
Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX
Back to Top
benfb View Drop Down
Platinum Member
Platinum Member


Joined: 10/10/2008
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 2709
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/29/2020 at 2:41pm
Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

HI,

The New York Times is interested in Germany here.  You should be able to read it on the Opinion Page for free on their website:

You can copy and paste this:


Germany Has Relatively Few Deaths From Coronavirus. Why?

The country is not immune to the pandemic. So what explains its current low fatality rate?

Actually, Germany looks only moderately exceptional.  If you want to read interesting reports, check out Sweden and Belarus.
Back to Top
Baal View Drop Down
Forum Moderator
Forum Moderator


Joined: 01/21/2010
Location: unknown
Status: Online
Points: 13927
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/29/2020 at 3:23pm
The tighter things get locked down the less it spreads.  The number of cases is directly proportional to the amount of testing done which varies greatly from p,ace to place.   To know the case fatality rate (CFR) you need to know the number of people infected.  So none of these country-by-country stats mean much.  

However in places like Italy and Spain (and soon enough multiple places in the US) lots of people will die because of insufficient ICU infrastructure. These are all countries with advanced hospitals but it's  a numbers game.  If too many peop,e are infected it is simply impossible to keep up. Things are going to get a whole lot worse here before it gets better.  Moreover, NYC area is bad now but it will soon percolate through the south, where governors simply refuse to take the necessary steps or are way too late.  

Right now we are at 2,400 deaths here.  Dr. Fauci today predicted 100,000+ in the US.


Edited by Baal - 03/29/2020 at 3:29pm
Back to Top
smackman View Drop Down
Assistant Moderator
Assistant Moderator
Avatar

Joined: 07/20/2009
Location: New Zealand
Status: Offline
Points: 3220
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/29/2020 at 6:56pm
One good idea is to buy lots of toilet paper
since I'm on a roll (pun intended)

I don't think we need to look at stats to pick out the best and worst Countries, We need to self isolate
don't visit friends, wash your hands 10 times a day , clean frequently touched items, holidays and boat cruisers should have stopped February, we still have 1200 Germans in NZ
We need to close boarders, stop gatherings of all sorts, stop going to play grounds, stop sport
and be nice

Ulmo Duality,tibhar Aurus Prime Dr N Pistal Black
NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website,
Back to Top
Skynet View Drop Down
Member
Member
Avatar

Joined: 10/22/2019
Location: Germany
Status: Offline
Points: 68
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/30/2020 at 10:44am
Originally posted by smackman smackman wrote:

One good idea is to buy lots of toilet paper
since I'm on a roll (pun intended)

I don't think we need to look at stats to pick out the best and worst Countries, We need to self isolate
don't visit friends, wash your hands 10 times a day , clean frequently touched items, holidays and boat cruisers should have stopped February, we still have 1200 Germans in NZ
We need to close boarders, stop gatherings of all sorts, stop going to play grounds, stop sport
and be nice



+1.
By the way, a german newspaper said that there are still 12000 Germans in NZ. Sorry about this inconvinience...
Anyway, quick update from good ol' Germany: ICU (with ventilators) now 30000. Government ordered another 10000 ventilators. Delivery date: unknown. Currently about 7000 COVID-19 patients in hospitals, 1500 in ICU with 1100 of them on ventilatiors.
Back to Top
Baal View Drop Down
Forum Moderator
Forum Moderator


Joined: 01/21/2010
Location: unknown
Status: Online
Points: 13927
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/30/2020 at 1:06pm
This virus is weird and unpredictable.  One of my colleagues is a kidney specialist (my area also).  He has a transplant patient with Covid 19.  Ought to be the worst possible thing because thse patientsy are filled with immunosuppressive drugs to prevent rejection of the transplant.  This patient mainly has diarrhea but for now is doing ok.  He has another 38 year old previously healthy patient in an ICU whose kidneys are not very functional at the moment.  

You just don't know.
Back to Top
Egghead View Drop Down
Premier Member
Premier Member
Avatar

Joined: 09/05/2009
Location: N.A.
Status: Offline
Points: 3994
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/31/2020 at 2:16am
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

This virus is weird and unpredictable.  One of my colleagues is a kidney specialist (my area also).  He has a transplant patient with Covid 19.  Ought to be the worst possible thing because thse patientsy are filled with immunosuppressive drugs to prevent rejection of the transplant.  This patient mainly has diarrhea but for now is doing ok.  He has another 38 year old previously healthy patient in an ICU whose kidneys are not very functional at the moment.  

You just don't know.
There is no hyper-reactivity of immune system may be because of the drugs, so no respiratory failure or cytokine stomr follows. That is funny that he has no cough or fever though. diarrhea is a norm for coronavirus pattient, just remember to close the lip when flusing becasue the shxt has virus Embarrassed

Don't know may be the attack of the virus will not kill us, our immune system kills us.
Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX
Back to Top
Baal View Drop Down
Forum Moderator
Forum Moderator


Joined: 01/21/2010
Location: unknown
Status: Online
Points: 13927
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/31/2020 at 10:33am
Originally posted by Egghead Egghead wrote:

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

This virus is weird and unpredictable.  One of my colleagues is a kidney specialist (my area also).  He has a transplant patient with Covid 19.  Ought to be the worst possible thing because thse patientsy are filled with immunosuppressive drugs to prevent rejection of the transplant.  This patient mainly has diarrhea but for now is doing ok.  He has another 38 year old previously healthy patient in an ICU whose kidneys are not very functional at the moment.  

You just don't know.
There is no hyper-reactivity of immune system may be because of the drugs, so no respiratory failure or cytokine stomr follows. That is funny that he has no cough or fever though. diarrhea is a norm for coronavirus pattient, just remember to close the lip when flusing becasue the shxt has virus Embarrassed

Don't know may be the attack of the virus will not kill us, our immune system kills us.

Yes, that is one possible explanation for what was seen.  Altrrnatively, it could also be that this guy's  initial exposure was very low and if he had normal immune system he never would have known he was infected at all.  Alternatively, some other stranger reasons (perhaps one of the anti-rejection drugs affects the virus directly?)   It is definitely the case that ocassional Covid-19 patients mainly have GI symptoms like diarrhea.  The ACE2 protein is present in gut.


Edited by Baal - 03/31/2020 at 10:34am
Back to Top
Baal View Drop Down
Forum Moderator
Forum Moderator


Joined: 01/21/2010
Location: unknown
Status: Online
Points: 13927
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/31/2020 at 3:40pm
Sigh.

An FBI document says a man facing attempted murder charges for stabbing members of a family at a Midland Sam’s Club did so because he thought the Asian Americans were Chinese and “infecting people with the coronavirus,” according to an ABC News report.

The 19-year-old suspect admitted he tried to kill the family, according to a Midland Reporter-Telegram article from earlier this month. That paper also reported that the man is being held on attempted murder and aggravated assault charges.

Back to Top
Egghead View Drop Down
Premier Member
Premier Member
Avatar

Joined: 09/05/2009
Location: N.A.
Status: Offline
Points: 3994
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/31/2020 at 7:39pm
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Sigh.

An FBI document says a man facing attempted murder charges for stabbing members of a family at a Midland Sam’s Club did so because he thought the Asian Americans were Chinese and “infecting people with the coronavirus,” according to an ABC News report.

The 19-year-old suspect admitted he tried to kill the family, according to a Midland Reporter-Telegram article from earlier this month. That paper also reported that the man is being held on attempted murder and aggravated assault charges.

No need to sigh; just go to watch tiger king Wink
Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX
Back to Top
blahness View Drop Down
Premier Member
Premier Member
Avatar

Joined: 10/18/2009
Location: Melbourne
Status: Offline
Points: 3390
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/31/2020 at 7:57pm
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Sigh.

An FBI document says a man facing attempted murder charges for stabbing members of a family at a Midland Sam’s Club did so because he thought the Asian Americans were Chinese and “infecting people with the coronavirus,” according to an ABC News report.

The 19-year-old suspect admitted he tried to kill the family, according to a Midland Reporter-Telegram article from earlier this month. That paper also reported that the man is being held on attempted murder and aggravated assault charges.


Well, the irony is that it is entirely the fault of the Trump administration who didn't prepare well for the virus and still doesn't have a concrete plan (?!), they're just reacting to the situation on the ground. Almost all the Asian countries (including China!), despite having much higher population densities have controlled the virus way better than the US, Spain and Italy who have entirely mismanaged the whole situation. 

At this point you're way more likely to get infected by someone from these 3 countries than you will ever get from Asians. 


Edited by blahness - 03/31/2020 at 7:58pm
-------
Hurricane Long 5

FH: Hurricane 3 Provincial Blue Sponge
BH: Hurricane 3 Provincial Orange Sponge
Back to Top
Baal View Drop Down
Forum Moderator
Forum Moderator


Joined: 01/21/2010
Location: unknown
Status: Online
Points: 13927
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/31/2020 at 8:58pm
Even the idiots in the White House are now saying that 100,000 to 240,000 Americans will die of this (hey benfb, your prediction was only off by TWO orders of magnitude).  Trump now claims that such numbers would mean he did a good job.    Only 30 to 80 times as many as died in China *

* Actually I personally think a lot more people there died than they admit, but lots more will die here.
Back to Top
DreiZ View Drop Down
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Avatar

Joined: 06/01/2009
Location: New York, US
Status: Offline
Points: 2557
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/01/2020 at 3:01am
I just got back to work after being almost fully recovered from this virus and the changes my hospital went thru in 10 days is horrifying. 10 days ago felt like it was just another day. Now every ICU is filled with intubated pts on a vent. Our ~600 bed hospital has a third of its population now on some sort of respiratory support, and there is no more equipment, once a pt dies that vent is already reserved for the next one... 

Idk if anyone saw what is happening at Bellevue hospital in queens with freezer trucks outside for storage for dead bodies... we have the same thing now because the morgue is filled up. In the last 24hrs 25 dead. In... 24... hours....!!!

The way Trump is portraying (and dealing with) this crisis is beyond criminal... 

We dont have enough PPE, we dont get hazard pay, everyone is overworked, everyone is tired, and every time this fool opens his mouth on TV makes me want to vomit. The only voice of reason is Dr Fauci, I hope he doesnt get axed like the rest of Trump's camp.

I hope everyone here takes some serious measures in protecting themselves even if your area hasnt been affected like us in NY. This is not a joke.



Edited by DreiZ - 04/01/2020 at 3:02am
Stratus Power Defense ST 82g | H3Neo 2.15 + Super Spinpips Chop 2 1.5
Timo Boll ALC ST 84g | H3Neo 2.15 + Ventus Basic 2.0
Samsonov Force Pro BE FL 82g | H3Neo 2.15 + Ventus Basic 2.0
Back to Top
BeaverMD View Drop Down
Gold Member
Gold Member
Avatar

Joined: 11/09/2007
Location: Maryland, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 1806
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/01/2020 at 9:15am
DreiZ, thank you so much for all of your work. Please do your best in staying safe and healthy.
Back to Top
Dr.Cho View Drop Down
Super Member
Super Member
Avatar

Joined: 10/07/2012
Location: FLORIDA
Status: Offline
Points: 305
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/01/2020 at 11:17am
I thought this site was about table tennis?

I'm also sure dealing with stress everyday is otherworldly.
But people deal with Death in times of war.

No one is perfect, not you not me.

But we are supposed to come together in times like these.

I'm sure we have no idea what President Trump has to deal with and he certainly is better that any Previous President or the 2 so called candidates running against him.

Let's try to deal with these times together.


Back to Top
patelaaaa View Drop Down
Super Member
Super Member
Avatar

Joined: 07/31/2016
Location: Jupiter
Status: Offline
Points: 126
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/01/2020 at 11:42am
Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

I just got back to work after being almost fully recovered from this virus and the changes my hospital went thru in 10 days is horrifying. 10 days ago felt like it was just another day. Now every ICU is filled with intubated pts on a vent. Our ~600 bed hospital has a third of its population now on some sort of respiratory support, and there is no more equipment, once a pt dies that vent is already reserved for the next one... 

Idk if anyone saw what is happening at Bellevue hospital in queens with freezer trucks outside for storage for dead bodies... we have the same thing now because the morgue is filled up. In the last 24hrs 25 dead. In... 24... hours....!!!

The way Trump is portraying (and dealing with) this crisis is beyond criminal... 

We dont have enough PPE, we dont get hazard pay, everyone is overworked, everyone is tired, and every time this fool opens his mouth on TV makes me want to vomit. The only voice of reason is Dr Fauci, I hope he doesnt get axed like the rest of Trump's camp.

I hope everyone here takes some serious measures in protecting themselves even if your area hasnt been affected like us in NY. This is not a joke.

Totally agree with you. I understand that no one is perfect, but we need a sensible president in such crisis scenario with out rushing on to bizarre decisions, which wouldn't favor anyone in the longer run. 


Edited by patelaaaa - 04/01/2020 at 11:43am
Back to Top
slevin View Drop Down
Premier Member
Premier Member


Joined: 03/15/2012
Location: USA
Status: Online
Points: 3649
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/01/2020 at 12:28pm
Hope you complete your recovery soon, DreiZ and stay safe...

Edited by slevin - 04/01/2020 at 12:29pm
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 10111213>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.01
Copyright ©2001-2018 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.281 seconds.

Become a Fan on Facebook Follow us on Twitter Web Wiz News
About MyTableTennis.NET | Forum Help | Disclaimer

MyTableTennis.NET is the trading name of Alex Table Tennis Ltd.

Copyright ©2003-2020 Alex Table Tennis Ltd. All rights reserved.