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Kanak takes it!! 
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Where are all the haters?
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WR26 beats WR65. Seems like a pretty normal result to me...
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kanak haters can stfu now.LOL
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Another quality win by Kanak.
I don't think anybody could hate this nice youngster who has put the USA back on the TT map.
Keep going
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Originally posted by kyle90 kyle90 wrote:

WR26 beats WR65. Seems like a pretty normal result to me...

yes but people like mykonos and mentortt said kanak does not
deserve his high ranking. 
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Looks like he's never played his next round opponent Kirill Skachkov @Nextlvl any insight?
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Originally posted by Ttunderthesun21 Ttunderthesun21 wrote:

Looks like he's never played his next round opponent Kirill Skachkov @Nextlvl any insight?
Kiril is old school Russian with a crazy backhand.  Has done well in French league this year.  Highly underrated.  Kanak should win based on current form but it is not a comfortable match.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by Ttunderthesun21 Ttunderthesun21 wrote:

Looks like he's never played his next round opponent Kirill Skachkov @Nextlvl any insight?
Kiril is old school Russian with a crazy backhand.  Has done well in French league this year.  Highly underrated.  Kanak should win based on current form but it is not a comfortable match.


Speaking of crazy, I remember, sitting ring side, watch Kiril being defaulted at the Worlds due to him kicking his foot through a barrier.
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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by Ttunderthesun21 Ttunderthesun21 wrote:

Looks like he's never played his next round opponent Kirill Skachkov @Nextlvl any insight?
Kiril is old school Russian with a crazy backhand.  Has done well in French league this year.  Highly underrated.  Kanak should win based on current form but it is not a comfortable match.


Speaking of crazy, I remember, sitting ring side, watch Kiril being defaulted at the Worlds due to him kicking his foot through a barrier.

Russian TT seems to have a few such players...
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I never underestimate Kanak. His win vs Xu Haidong and his win in world cup will put him around 40-50 (my estimate,I still think he is over-ranked at 26). Do you think he is the same level as Wang Chunqin? (of course not). It is also possible some other players are over-ranked too. 

Since ITTF ranking didn't care who the person they won, who the person they lost. It has serious flaws in this system. And it also counts Pan American cup win as similar as Asian cup win. It causes players outside of Asian is serious over-ranked. 

I am strongly advocate for USATT rating system. For high level players, it has much less upset because it adjusts quality of win and loss.


Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by kyle90 kyle90 wrote:

WR26 beats WR65. Seems like a pretty normal result to me...

yes but people like mykonos and mentortt said kanak does not
deserve his high ranking. 


Edited by mentortt - 11/13/2019 at 9:32am
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by Ttunderthesun21 Ttunderthesun21 wrote:

Looks like he's never played his next round opponent Kirill Skachkov @Nextlvl any insight?
Kiril is old school Russian with a crazy backhand.  Has done well in French league this year.  Highly underrated.  Kanak should win based on current form but it is not a comfortable match.

Ah crazy backhand is always a problem.  Hopefully he finds a way through this to the main draw, looks like he's got a lot of confidence/good form coming into to this event as you have said.  
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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by kyle90 kyle90 wrote:

WR26 beats WR65. Seems like a pretty normal result to me...

yes but people like mykonos and mentortt said kanak does not
deserve his high ranking. 

I agree that he s overrated I wonder what pongping2323 thinks about khanak?
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Jha Kanak vs Skachkov Kirill
Will start at 11:05 AM (EST), table 1.
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Jha has a chance to make it to the Main Draw.

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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Jha Kanak vs Skachkov Kirill
Will start at 11:05 AM (EST), table 1.
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Jha has a chance to make it to the Main Draw.


Finally, we can actually see what's happening lol.  I guess I'm going on lunch break at 11:05 am XD.
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Jha Kanak vs Skachkov Kirill
Will start at 11:05 AM (EST), table 1.
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Jha has a chance to make it to the Main Draw.


yes, best of luck to Jha - and hopefully an interesting match
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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Jha Kanak vs Skachkov Kirill
Will start at 11:05 AM (EST), table 1.
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Jha has a chance to make it to the Main Draw.
yes, best of luck to Jha - and hopefully an interesting match
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The winner of this match advances to the Main Draw.
Skachkov won the first game. (a very close game.)

Long way to go.
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Jha won the 2nd game by a wide margin.
Jha looks good.
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Wow Kanak is pretty much destroying Skachkov right now. I thought he would have a really hard time against him. 3-1 up now.
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Kanak wins in 4
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kanak haters are having a bad day. LOL
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Did Skachkov call for the trainer after the second game?  I wasn't sure what that pause was in b/w games, but damnnn Kanak looking sharp.  No fear, clean ball striking, and sticking to the game plan.  Pretty much played down the middle the entire match, asking Skachkov to come up with something.  
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Ugh looks like Kanak's got Hugo tomorrow, unfortunately does not have a very good record against him.  
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If Kanak can win Hugo tomorrow, he deserves his ranking right now.

Hiyata Hina is another Main Draw. She will play with Miu. If she can win, everyone knows who are better selected for tokyo.


Edited by mentortt - 11/13/2019 at 1:17pm
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Originally posted by Ttunderthesun21 Ttunderthesun21 wrote:

Ugh looks like Kanak's got Hugo tomorrow, unfortunately does not have a very good record against him.  
Don't be silly.  Kanak's wins so far are consistent with a WR in the 20-40 range.  Beating Hugo would indicate his ranking should be better than 20, such as 15.

Personally, I think it would be great fun to see Kanak play Timo. An interesting hypothetical match-up.

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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Originally posted by Ttunderthesun21 Ttunderthesun21 wrote:

Ugh looks like Kanak's got Hugo tomorrow, unfortunately does not have a very good record against him.  
Don't be silly.  Kanak's wins so far are consistent with a WR in the 20-40 range.  Beating Hugo would indicate his ranking should be better than 20, such as 15.

Personally, I think it would be great fun to see Kanak play Timo. An interesting hypothetical match-up.


I actually agree with with TTUTS21.  Hugo is precisely the kind of player that Kanak struggles to get into.   You may have responded to the wrong person.
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Originally posted by mentortt mentortt wrote:

If Kanak can win Hugo tomorrow, he deserves his ranking right now.

Hiyata Hina is another Main Draw. She will play with Miu. If she can win, everyone knows who are better selected for tokyo.

If kanak beats hugo we will see another sock puppet 


Edited by mykonos96 - 11/13/2019 at 2:36pm
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Originally posted by Ttunderthesun21 Ttunderthesun21 wrote:

Ugh looks like Kanak's got Hugo tomorrow, unfortunately does not have a very good record against him.  
Don't be silly.  Kanak's wins so far are consistent with a WR in the 20-40 range.  Beating Hugo would indicate his ranking should be better than 20, such as 15.

Personally, I think it would be great fun to see Kanak play Timo. An interesting hypothetical match-up.


I actually agree with with TTUTS21.  Hugo is precisely the kind of player that Kanak struggles to get into.   You may have responded to the wrong person.
You are right and my apologies to TTUTS21. I was trying to reply to MentorTT's comment:

"If Kanak can win Hugo tomorrow, he deserves his ranking right now."

I was in a hurry (trying to post while busy working) and messed up. Mea Cupla.
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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Originally posted by Ttunderthesun21 Ttunderthesun21 wrote:

Ugh looks like Kanak's got Hugo tomorrow, unfortunately does not have a very good record against him.  
Don't be silly.  Kanak's wins so far are consistent with a WR in the 20-40 range.  Beating Hugo would indicate his ranking should be better than 20, such as 15.

Personally, I think it would be great fun to see Kanak play Timo. An interesting hypothetical match-up.


I actually agree with with TTUTS21.  Hugo is precisely the kind of player that Kanak struggles to get into.   You may have responded to the wrong person.
You are right and my apologies to TTUTS21. I was trying to reply to MentorTT's comment:

"If Kanak can win Hugo tomorrow, he deserves his ranking right now."

I was in a hurry (trying to post while busy working) and messed up. Mea Cupla.

Oh yeah no worries.  I also agree with the Timo statement, I wanted him to play someone established, he hasn't played yet.  Would have been more fun, I'm hoping he has a new game plan for Hugo tomorrow, as the last 4/5 have not really made much impact.  
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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Originally posted by Ttunderthesun21 Ttunderthesun21 wrote:

Ugh looks like Kanak's got Hugo tomorrow, unfortunately does not have a very good record against him.  
Don't be silly.  Kanak's wins so far are consistent with a WR in the 20-40 range.  Beating Hugo would indicate his ranking should be better than 20, such as 15.

Personally, I think it would be great fun to see Kanak play Timo. An interesting hypothetical match-up.

"Kanak's wins so far are consistent with a WR in the 20-40 range"  Can't agree with this.  While I am happy for Jha's progress and ranking - if you want to be objective look at his 2019 wins against players in this range and his losses to those lower than that range.
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