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    Posted: 03/26/2019 at 3:41pm
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I've been playing table tennis competitively since 2010. I more or less stopped playing around 2012. I've only played a couple times a year since then. My rating is probably in the 1400-1600 range. Shakehand, two-winged looper.

I'm 29 now, have a table, and a little room in my basement to play. Table tennis has been a passion of mine since I was a kid. However, I usually end up letting it fall to the wayside as I live in an area where not many play competitively (Toledo, OH) and I end up falling back on my other passion; weightlifting.

But now that I'm getting older, I want to put more focus on my health/agility/cardio, as I don't get in much cardio with lifting.

With my work schedule, it's difficult to make to play with others....and finding those who want to excel/progress with myself. I do see myself eventually playing in the local clubs around me (all about 1.5 to 2 hours away)

I'm thinking of buying a Butterfly Amicus Prime to begin training with at least an hour a day 4 times per week. I know this won't be as effective as multi-ball with a physical person. Has anyone been able to really progress with mainly a robot? My goal is to eventually hit 2000 in a couple years if I stay consistent.

I know the Amicus Prime is a newer model (best price I can find is $2100 to my door), but the Amicus robot has been around for some time. Can anyone suggest a comparable robot that can deliver all the training aids the Prime can fulfill or the Amicus pretty much the top robot out there?

Thanks in advance
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I lived in AA in a prior millennium. I never found a decent table tennis club there, although I played with others in my school at CCRB. If you can find a club that would be optimal.
I do not have experience with the amicus prime, but the other amicus models are excellent. 
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You can improve with robot only if it can do some basic drills and if you have motivation and put the time into it.  I mainly practice with players in my club but I like to do basic training with robot (looping underspin etc.).  I  can't comment on the amicus unfortunately.
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Hi. I'm originally from the Dayton, Ohio area. There aren't really any good clubs that I know of in Toledo. I guess you either need to travel to Detroit, Cleveland, or Columbus to play on a regular basis. Even in Dayton, the club just meets once per week. The Dayton club does have a few 1800 to 2100 players, but not too many. When I go to visit my parents in Dayton, I primarily go to Columbus to play and occasionally go over to the Indianapolis and Cincinnati clubs. You can also find 5 or 6 1300 to 1800 level players playing in the student room at Wright State University in Dayton just about every night. They may have something like that at one of the Toledo Universities. I'm not really sure. 

As far as robots are concerned. I would caution against buying a robot until a coach has trained you with proper form and technique. If you simply got a robot and practiced bad strokes/form, you would be cementing those bad habits. I have no idea about your playing ability, just giving out some advice. Are there any coaches in your area? You might be better off spending money on one of those before buying a robot. Also, same as the other users I don't have any experience with the Amicus Prime. I did however have a Newgy 2050. It was a pretty alright robot, but the wheel that spun often got dirty and needed to be cleaned. Also the spin was based on the speed. So you couldn't get slow spinny balls or no-spin balls. Also if you set it to fast, the underspin was much stronger than I've ever received in real life. 
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Originally posted by serr serr wrote:

You can improve with robot only if it can do some basic drills and if you have motivation and put the time into it.  I mainly practice with players in my club but I like to do basic training with robot (looping underspin etc.).  I  can't comment on the amicus unfortunately.

Yeah back in 2010-ish I had a Newgy 2055 or whichever one had the small lcd screen and programs. It worked decent for training. However, only one wheel was not ideal as spin/speed are together. 
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Originally posted by ericd937 ericd937 wrote:

Hi. I'm originally from the Dayton, Ohio area. There aren't really any good clubs that I know of in Toledo. I guess you either need to travel to Detroit, Cleveland, or Columbus to play on a regular basis. Even in Dayton, the club just meets once per week. The Dayton club does have a few 1800 to 2100 players, but not too many. When I go to visit my parents in Dayton, I primarily go to Columbus to play and occasionally go over to the Indianapolis and Cincinnati clubs. You can also find 5 or 6 1300 to 1800 level players playing in the student room at Wright State University in Dayton just about every night. They may have something like that at one of the Toledo Universities. I'm not really sure. 

As far as robots are concerned. I would caution against buying a robot until a coach has trained you with proper form and technique. If you simply got a robot and practiced bad strokes/form, you would be cementing those bad habits. I have no idea about your playing ability, just giving out some advice. Are there any coaches in your area? You might be better off spending money on one of those before buying a robot. Also, same as the other users I don't have any experience with the Amicus Prime. I did however have a Newgy 2050. It was a pretty alright robot, but the wheel that spun often got dirty and needed to be cleaned. Also the spin was based on the speed. So you couldn't get slow spinny balls or no-spin balls. Also if you set it to fast, the underspin was much stronger than I've ever received in real life. 

Yeah, Toledo is unfortunately a dead zone. Which has always puzzled me as all areas around us (within 1.5-2 hrs) have decent clubs, but not  us...yet. UT does have a club and has a couple players who are 1700-1800+. My work schedule pretty much prevents me from attending :/

I've been told my form is good, I'm just not consistent/put in enough hours. Forehand is pretty good, but backhand needs work. I did attend a camp when I was playing in 2012 that was hosted by illija lupulesku (spelling...). That really helped and I had some coaching from a couple 2100 players. 
I'm cognizant on form and do like recording to check form.

I'm also considering checking out some camps provided by Samson Dubina in Cleveland once he opens his new club.

And I can relate on the Newgy. Had same or similar model. That's my biggest frustration with a single wheel unit. The Amicus checks all the boxes as speed and spin can be truly separated. 

Decisions...
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I have never used the Amicus Prime, but I do have a PowerPong 3000, which is basically the same as an Amicus Pro.   I also had a Newgy 350XL for a bit, but I returned it to Newgy after a few weeks.  It had far too many issues.

Before I get into the details on the Robots, I say go ahead and buy a robot for training.   I never really played TT much growing up and started up about a year ago.  A table was placed in a break room at work.   My life schedule does not really lend itself to hitting a club and having a coach.  With my work and commute I am away from home at least 13 hours per day.  I also have a family that takes priority over spending time in a club.   If I did not get a robot for home use I would not be able to enjoy this sport at all.  One of these days I hope to be able to get some coaching on the weekends, but for now training videos will have to do.   I would say, I wish that I would have video taped my self more often in order to track my progress and keep tabs on my technique.  So again...  I say go ahead and get that robot.

Now for the robots, I chose to avoid the Amicus Prime.  Functionally it is basically the same as the Pro, you just get a bluetooth controller instead of physical dials and buttons.  I had a lot of bluetooth issues with the 3050XL and that was one of the few reasons why I returned the unit.  The Newgy felt cheap in comparison to the Amicus / Power Pong robots.   I play 30-45 minutes a day when at work (during lunch and breaks) and practice another 30-60 minutes a night when at home.  If I am home on the weekends I usually practice another 1-2 hours per day over a few sessions.

I can create slow spinny serves, slow spinny loops and pretty much any other type of shot.   Is it perfect? No.  Can I create all types of serve and shot variations? No.

I had some issues with the original controller for my PowerPong robot, but it was replaced immediately by PowerPong.  I have not had any issues since.  I have only adjusted the wheels once since then.  If you can get a good price on the PowerPong 3000, you may want to consider getting it over an Amicus.  PowerPong warranty is handled in the US, while the Amicus warranty is handled in Germany.  PowerPong also offers a longer warranty.

Good luck.....


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