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    Posted: 12/12/2019 at 3:46pm
I've been wondering...
  1. Why isn't CNT's tuned H3 merely a hard tensor with a tacky topsheet ?
  2. Is the CNT's tuned H3 sponge superior to a pro tenergy/dignics spring sponge or the sponge of the best pro tensor? If so, in what ways?
  3. What playing characteristics would be lost, if any, if the CNT's H3 topsheet is paired with a pro tenergy/dignics spring sponge or pro tensor sponge?
  4. Does the CNT's tuned H3 offer a unique combination of speed, spin, and trajectory for different situations that no other rubbers can provide?
Of course, each CNT player tunes their rubbers differently. I'm referring to tuned H3 used by the CNT in general. And I also understand that putting a superior topsheet on a superior sponge doesn't necessarily produce a superior rubber.
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I always thought that if the Chinese played with Tenergy on FH they would be just as good as they are with boosted Hurricane. 

Maybe they needed to have a Chinese equipment company do well in tandem with their table tennis team... and so they found ways to do it with boosting? I don't know.
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H3 is supper cheap in China, because it could be produced locally and by cheap material with old technology. A hard tensor rubber is 10 times more expensive than H3. Don't have to argue to me that the price of a blue sponge H3 is over $100. That is consumer's stupidity, not the original cost of a real rubber.

secondly, tenergy and dignics are still weak for CNT's forehand.

3rd, your tuned H3 is not their boosted H3. And if you have their real H3, you also feel it is a rubbish and useless. There are many aspects behind a good weapon and right technique.
There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
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Hasn't this been talked about before? If not on other forums?
I'm sorry but their equipment is far beyond 90% of the average persons reach here. Only a select few who actually either live or still live in China can even know what they use or even test it, but even then they can't just disclose confidential team info. They boost rubbers that go upwards of 50 degrees Chinese scale not esn. 50 degrees esn is mxp hard, rasanter r53, mxk-hard, etc. Then after they pick the top sheet they select a sponge. Some of the players have a esn style sponge but most choose a combo for example h3/neo top with tin arc sponge either 3 or 5. The reason they don't use esn for forehand is their technique. Chinese have dominated for this reason because of their beautiful stroke yet explosive very violent shots. Europeans have a different swing and most esn rubbers suite them better because that's what they're used to. They need the control and upper hand when it comes to spin generation while having control of the ball. Because they train day and night daily they don't need power from the rubber itself due to their technique. Ma Long might have a weaker wrist than you, but because he trained for soo long and found different ways to balance it out. I believe out of the national team before and presently he has a weaker wrist, but that can be fixed and was fixed with years of training. Chinese prefer control and the feel hence why they don't use tensor or esn rubber. They generate power from the body not the equipment itself per se let alone. I'm just stating what I remember reading and saw on other forums. 
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Also national sponge getting it custom made is not cheap but just like butterfly if dhs can promote consumers to buy their expensive blue sponge or national Versions then that's profit and money for them. More revenue is good as always. I personally use h3 neo provincial blue sponge because for me I barely can feel the difference when boosted what my 41 or 42 degrees provincial has against a 42 national. It all comes down to qc but I've had very good success when buying these rubbers. Anyways don't wanna get off topic.
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Was hoping folks with first or second hand knowledge of this topic can chime in with concrete answers specific to my questions which still go unanswered.

What if we're comparing tuned commercial H3 national to T05 hard instead. Same questions. Can anyone chime in? Again, I'm looking for concrete answers to those specific questions.
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h3 is 10000 better than tenergys on short balls and serve receive
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Originally posted by racquetsforsale racquetsforsale wrote:

Was hoping folks with first or second hand knowledge of this topic can chime in with concrete answers specific to my questions which still go unanswered.

What if we're comparing tuned commercial H3 national to T05 hard instead. Same questions. Can anyone chime in? Again, I'm looking for concrete answers to those specific questions.


What you are asking can only be answered by an ex CNT player or coach.

As far as I know, CNT players get 100 sheets per year of H3 by DHS once they are sponsored. They also get a number of blades and other equipment. They get a finite number of items. This is what my coach told me. He was part of the CNT at some point.

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Originally posted by racquetsforsale racquetsforsale wrote:

Was hoping folks with first or second hand knowledge of this topic can chime in with concrete answers specific to my questions which still go unanswered.

What if we're comparing tuned commercial H3 national to T05 hard instead. Same questions. Can anyone chime in? Again, I'm looking for concrete answers to those specific questions.

I'm confused now everyone has inputted something you're just not seeing it. I answered a long reply. That's it there's no more. 
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Originally posted by ProtossTT ProtossTT wrote:

Originally posted by racquetsforsale racquetsforsale wrote:

Was hoping folks with first or second hand knowledge of this topic can chime in with concrete answers specific to my questions which still go unanswered.

What if we're comparing tuned commercial H3 national to T05 hard instead. Same questions. Can anyone chime in? Again, I'm looking for concrete answers to those specific questions.

I'm confused now everyone has inputted something you're just not seeing it. I answered a long reply. That's it there's no more. 

Thank you for your time, but I didn't see explicit answers to my questions despite your long response. 
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  1. Because it isn't the same.
  2. Yes. Short game for one.
  3. See #2.
  4. Yes.
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Originally posted by Fulanodetal Fulanodetal wrote:

What you are asking can only be answered by an ex CNT player or coach.

One would think so Wink. However, many who are neither or don't have access to either have somehow managed to expound on this topic.

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Originally posted by BRS BRS wrote:


  1. Because it isn't the same.
  2. Yes. Short game for one.
  3. See #2.
  4. Yes.

Thank you for confirming #4, which also answers #1 by default.

Regarding #2, so you're saying the boosted H3 sponge is responsible for the better short game? Doesn't boosting the sponge make it more elastic, more lively, which in turn stretches the top sheet to make it more lively? Shouldn't that have the opposite effect on the short game?
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Originally posted by Jackcerry Jackcerry wrote:

h3 is 10000 better than tenergys on short balls and serve receive

Hey was wondering which H3 do you use?
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The DISASTER.
Take care you wipe off those white prints on your rubber (the grinding dust of plastic).
German engineers did conduct an experiment using 20 plastic balls just unpacked.( the same set of balls as you would have in a real multiball competition). The results were some disaster, indeed.

Edited by igorponger - 12/17/2019 at 4:26am
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I was wondering if you ever see how CNT players can play short game with their Hurricanes
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fulanodetal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/17/2019 at 12:25pm
"I was wondering if you ever see how CNT players can play short game with their Hurricanes"


Watching matches and observing closely may help? Maybe downloading any video from youtube, turn it into an mp4, then watch the video in slow mo would also help! (go through them frame by frame)

One thing about watching pros play is that they make it look easy! Watching then play in real life is another thing altogether!!


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