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128YinYang 
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 Topic: Composite blade with fiber on the outsidePosted: 04/11/2012 at 1:33am |
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This totally blew my mind! I never thought I'd see a company actually put the composite fiber on the blade as the top ply. Also, I could not find any store selling them. Has anyone heard of these or played with them?
Here are the blades, made by Palio: http://www.palio.co/en/palio/pblade/outerfiber.html |
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Posted: 04/11/2012 at 1:34am |
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I don't think it's legal . . . is it?
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128YinYang
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Posted: 04/11/2012 at 1:39am |
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Hahaha, wow you respond fast Tommy  I think the rules only state that a certain percentage of the blade can be composite (I forget the exact number), but I don't think it specifies where the composite material must be located on the blade... |
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Posted: 04/11/2012 at 5:00am |
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"Within" means "not outer".
http://www.ittf.com/ittf_handbook/hb.asp?s_number=2 |
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Posted: 04/11/2012 at 6:39am |
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Tibhar Black Carbon blade has carbon as outer layer. I think they wouldn't make such a blade if it hasn't been legal.
Edited by helmsman - 04/11/2012 at 6:41am |
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Posted: 04/11/2012 at 9:48am |
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Yea, I'm a little lost on the Tibhar, as well as Palio's Outer Fiber concept. I imagine that they would not waste their time designing these blades if they knew it was illegal.
But at the same time, "ZZZ" showed us the ITTF's statement about the fiber being within. I wonder if there is a loophole in that statement?... |
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Posted: 04/11/2012 at 10:52am |
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Old Butterfly Kreanga Carbon was deemed illegal exactly because of some special thick layer of silver coating on it (outer layer). |
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Posted: 04/11/2012 at 11:09am |
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I am pretty sure the rules used to specify the outer ply had to be wood. I checked ITTF and USATT rules and find no mention anymore. I think it was changed. (Quietly)
Remember all the discussion about too much sealer would make a blade illegal as it would make the top ply something other than wood?
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Posted: 04/11/2012 at 4:23pm |
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Casuistic mode ON This rule speaks about adhesive layer within the blade so as long the outer fibrous layer is glued to the blade the adhesive stays inside or within the blade. Casuistic mode OFF
Maybe it violated the 7.5%/0.35mm thickness rule?
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Posted: 04/11/2012 at 5:53pm |
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Or perhaps the silver coating was (or was similar to) an adhesive?
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Posted: 04/11/2012 at 6:14pm |
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BladesByCharlie.com made some blades like this a few years back. They are uber hard.. harder than any wood-skinned blade you can buy. They are the ultimate for making OX LP produce disruptive balls. Somewhat touchy, otherwise. Powerful, yes. Quite different when made with 0/90 carbon orientation vs -45/45.
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Posted: 04/11/2012 at 6:49pm |
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Regardless of legality, if an international player like Xu Xin wants to play with it, no one is going to stop him.
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Posted: 04/11/2012 at 10:36pm |
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looks good.....
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Posted: 04/12/2012 at 12:23am |
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Posted: 04/12/2012 at 2:34am |
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Yea, that must be how they could get away with it, though they are definitely being casuistic (as you said) and picking a technicality by doing so. I personally cannot see myself playing with those, since I imagine they would be insanely hard and terrible for looping and touch shots. |
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Posted: 04/14/2012 at 7:20pm |
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It would be a "ball-whacker" that's for sure.
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Posted: 08/07/2012 at 7:41am |
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Hello friends, a interesting blades! Is it really illegal? I don't see any use to produce illegal blade. I have schlager carbon. It's carbon layers are very thin. And don't see any grid structure. At this blades outside picture look like very solid grid. I think it is a picture. In nexy.com for tibhar black carbon is writen: fineline-carbon-balsa-carbon-fineline. May be fineline is some kind of veneer. Is there any new information. Thank you very much. |
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Posted: 08/07/2012 at 9:45am |
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I am using a Primorac Carbon, Hinoki/Carbon, it is really stiff/hard. Soft rubbers work great on it. You really don't need to move your arm much to do harder hits
For me, I think PC works better than SC b/c of the control.
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Posted: 08/07/2012 at 11:16am |
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Such a blade is still available on the BBC-Homepage: http://www.bladesbycharlie.com/onyx |
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Posted: 08/07/2012 at 11:24am |
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WHen I acidentally broke a Palio blade I had, I saw the Titanium-Carbon plies, and they had a "grid" structure, where the material looked woven. I suspect most composites look like that, but who know's.... |
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Posted: 08/07/2012 at 3:03pm |
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Hello friends, Yes When combine different composites material the grid structures is clearly visible. Before two years I have Timo Boll spirit. It's кevlar+carbon and I remember huge grid, around 2 mm. But with carbon only I'm not 100 percent sure - never broke my blade. When manufactures use only carbon I think they use something like fleece. I think more information We need
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