palio cj8000 36-38 deg. biotech rubber...

anyone already played with this rubber?can you give a short review on it?thanks.

the throwing angle is just nice for my FH

debraj wrote: i just received it yesterday, and will put it to practice today.

is the top sheet tacky?

CJ8000 is a wonderfully cheap but good performance rubber. Personally, I use CJ8000 (the cheapest, beijing team 36-38degree, not tensor) for my backhand, it's spiny and easy control.

I must say, although it is not very fast, but it can make good looping easily, very easy to use, very durable, and cheap too.

The biotech version is faster and glue free, but don't expect they perform like german rubber, this is a chinese rubber, a bit faster than before but still good looping and easy to use.

it said "hardness= 38 - 41 deg"

what is the weight of a cut cj8000 36-38 biotech?

thx

mdjenders wrote: throw angle is highish, rubber is GREAT for brush looping with control near the table

This rubber is only slightly tacking. Rather soft sponge and topsheet. Its a good sheet for my for BH if its a thinner maybe 1.7mm rubber. Very bouncy but some how the feel is pretty good. I rather not use this as forehand because its too slow

Hi guys,

I didn't want to open a new thread so I thought I'd post this question here:

For the CJ8000 Biotech (36-38 deg) and the HK1997 Biotech (36-38 deg), I was wondering if you can separate the topsheet from the sponge easily - using the leftover rubber cutoff of course.  Thanks.

I agree that Cole does a good job.  

The CJ8000 topsheet is a little tacky and very pliable.  IMO, the thinner version of the topsheet (CJ8000C) plays really well for backhand on soft sponge. 

I like and use the CJ8000C topsheet (the thinnest one) on Dawei Butter Sponge (30 degree) for backhand.  For me, very good control, spinny, good for serving and for service returns. 

I've also tried the same topsheet on Dawei Quattro 35 degree sponge with similar results.  I like the feeling of the Butter sponge better.

IMO, off-the-shelf CJ8000 Biotech rubber in either the soft or medium sponge version is a very good rubber for allround play.  It seems to lack a little power, but makes up for it with good control. 

HK1997 seems to me like CJ8000 on mild steriods.  Faster, more spin, better control, plays better off the table.  IMO, the major difference between the sponge hardnesses is the top gear.  The softer sponge has a lower speed limit.  Softer sponge might be just an RPM or two spinnier.  It really plays its best on faster blades. 

I've had no issues with the rubber wear.  There does seem to be a "breakin" period for both.  For me an hour or two was sufficient, YMMV.

Both the off-the-shelf CJ8000 Biotech and HK1997 Biotech are available on eBay at ridiculously low prices if you pay attention.  But my recommendation is to go to Cole Ely for a custom built sheet of rubber using one of the CJ8000 topsheets (comes in three thicknesses) and the sponge that matches your game. 

@ Silver and jt

cj8000 biotech 36-38 is one rubber that i had made several attempt to replace from my BH.... thanks to great marketing by other companies.

And i miserably failed! It does everything... from great defense to great serves and decent winners. But what's more it does that even when you thought you missed the shot after hitting it.

[/QUOTE]