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    Posted: 03/09/2011 at 3:41am

I found this blade on sale and I'm suspicious thats its fake. Here some photos.







Edited by stereotip - 03/09/2011 at 5:26am
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wood has hardly aged
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Tickan Carlsson should be anatomic, I think.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ejmaster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/09/2011 at 9:53am
it is not something to worry a lot because the original from the years with that handle type and lens is not a blade to remember much. 
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How much would be the price on the market. I didnt find anyErmm
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Seems like a very recently made blade - I am suspicious too.

And yes, all Tickan blades, I have seen, were anatomics. I proudly own one - Allround Wood from mid 1980s.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote icontek Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/09/2011 at 10:42pm


Looks like someone did some wood/shop/lens/work to "make-a-fake".
Funny when a forger gets the handle type wrong :D

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Yes it is right, the Tickan Blades were always anatomic.
The concav handles were Hans Alser blades.
 
 
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The forger is excellent at woodwork and signage.
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The insert on the handle may be wrong; however, the blade does look like it's well built.

Have you played with it yet?
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i have an allround evolution ulf tickan carlsson and it is not anatomic...
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Do you have a picture of your Allround Evolution, Boss1703?
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Originally posted by Boss1703 Boss1703 wrote:

i have an allround evolution ulf tickan carlsson and it is not anatomic...


how old is it?
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probabely from the 80's ... i found it in a garbage at one tournement! with an old mark v and an old sriver el... 
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I've been talking to a clubmate, who has a Stiga Allround Classic that looks virtually the same as yours; but with one notable difference. The difference is the inlay; i.e. he has a correct inlay with "Legend" on it; whereas your blade has the wrong inlay with "Ulf Tickan Carlsson".

As such I would say you've got a genuine Stiga Allround Classic and someone has accidentally put the wrong inlay onto the handle, in the factory.

p.s. I've got a European built Butterfly Petr Krbel with a wrong inlay; so Stiga aren't the only company that have made that kind of mistake.




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Here is the wrong inlay on my Butterfly Petr Korbel, mentioned in my previous post.


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Is that a fake or a mistake ?
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Originally posted by Ubbser Ubbser wrote:

Yes it is right, the Tickan Blades were always anatomic.
The concav handles were Hans Alser blades.
 
 

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That's my understanding of it, the names were designations for handle style.

When Stiga still used players' names on the insert I don't think the Allround Classic had the same colored handles like today's Allround Classic.  But I haven't paid much attention in the past few years so I could be wrong.   I think they still resembled today's Allround Evolution and Clipper - mostly wood with a colored stripe.
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Originally posted by Peter C Peter C wrote:




Here is the wrong inlay on my Butterfly Petr Korbel, mentioned in my previous post.


Rein Lindmäe is tt-shop owner in Estonia and he was a really good player during Soviet Union time. So maybe he has just ordered few blades with custom lences to his shop. That can be done quite easily.
What is the point of playing safe shots when you can miss with style

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this is the old AR UTC as far as I know. Dunno how old this particular 1 is but I got this pic. from PLLSystem & he said it was sold for astronomical price....My late AR (I bought it when I was in Leicester, UK, 1982) was as good as this 1, still my present OSP Virtuoso UTC beats them ALL Tongue.....



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The Allround Wood in PLLsystem's picture is the same vintage as my old Stiga Allround Wood, with an Ulf Tickan handle. It is still in use.


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It's a genuine 92 gram Petr Korbel and it's a faster stiffer blade, compared to the Japanese built Petr Korbel.


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The Lindmae Special is a lightweight Off+ Balsa Carbon blade, sold in Estonia. It is made in the same factory, as the European Petr Korbel.




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote emihet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/10/2011 at 4:50pm
this looks to me like a stiga from the early 90s but the lens name is strange nonetheless, does the handle feel hollow?  it should say Master or Ulf B. ...earliest 1989


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Originally posted by Tommy16 Tommy16 wrote:

Originally posted by Peter C Peter C wrote:




Here is the wrong inlay on my Butterfly Petr Korbel, mentioned in my previous post.


Rein Lindmäe is tt-shop owner in Estonia and he was a really good player during Soviet Union time. So maybe he has just ordered few blades with custom lences to his shop. That can be done quite easily.


That`s right, I don`t know if heard, but Rein had also a younger brother called Alari Lindmäe (1967-1985), who was very talented TT player. Brother died in a plain crash in 1985 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_SSSR-65856. Rein has been orginizing in memory of his  brother international competition called "Butterfly Baltic Cup", this year it is taking place on 23-24 of April in Tallinn. Link to competition http://www.pingpong.ee/manus/ButteflyBalticCup-invitation.pdf Competition is also recognized by the ITTF and the ETTU. Famous participents this year are Lin Ju (WR 83), Lubomir Pistej (WR 104) and many others, I wish I could go to see them in action.

I am not fully aware, but I think he ordered his Butterfly Lindmäe blade also in memory of his brother. It is different from Petr Korbel as Korbel is wood blade, but Lindmäe blade is balsa carbon (also written on inlay). So, inlay is not wrong, blade is totally different one.


Edited by Rainer87 - 03/20/2011 at 3:43pm
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I've got exactly the same blade as Stereo Tip, Same lens only with an anatomic handle: Genuine or not genuine? And what is the price on this badboy? :)


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Here is the picture of my 92 gram Petr Korbel, with the incorrect Lindmae Special inlay.

Correspondence with Butterfly Customer Service in Germany, confirmed it's a genuine Petr Korbel

Peter Korbel with Lindmae Special insert


Whereas here is a picture of the actual the Lindmae Special Balsa Carbon, sold in Estonia by Rein.






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Like Stereotips blade; I'd say you've got the genuine article too.

How much it is worth? I don't know, so hopefully someone else on the forum, will be able to help you on that question.





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Originally posted by Peter C Peter C wrote:

Rainer87

Whereas here is a picture of the actual the Lindmae Special Balsa Carbon, sold in Estonia by Rein.






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Like Stereotips blade; I'd say you've got the genuine article too.

How much it is worth? I don't know, so hopefully someone else on the forum, will be able to help you on that question.



This blade is fore sale at Lindmäe store, it costs 75,90 euros.
Link: http://www.pingpong.ee/toode/70-Butterfly-Lindmae-Special-Balsa-Carbon
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote van_doorn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/23/2011 at 7:10am
So if i got it correct.

The Stiga Ulf "Tickan" Carlsson is the real one, but with a wrong lens? And which lens is supposed to be in there and how old would you say the blade is?

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