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Backhand loop worthless with WRB blade? |
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king_pong
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Posted: 05/26/2011 at 9:18pm |
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I've been playing with a WRB blade now for a little while (Banda Pegasus All+ [Offensive Classic clone]). It's very flexible and extremely heavy with Chinese rubber. I really feel like my forehand loops are there there with this blade. It has taught me to be aware of the spin on the ball, go for the blade's sweet-spot, and and flick with the wrist. My backhand loop, on the other hand, is miserable.
Just recently I've employed my first coach, who is working with me to get the backhand loop down. I've experimented with an Avalox P500, which has a somewhat similar feel to the Pegasus FH, but the backhand feels much more stable. The P500 is much heavier (92g as opposed to the Pegasus' 81g) and it feels more solid and balanced, though still a little head heavy. My question is this -- Are backhand loops harder to execute with a head-heavy WRB bat? Is it futile for me to try learn with the Pegasus? I've heard the OC's one weakness is poor feeling on backhands, so that was why I wondered. I know many member of this forum are not fond of hollowed handles, but I've grown accustomed to the feel and prefer it for my forehand. Maybe my rubber is all wrong (JOOLA Drum, 2.0) Or maybe I just need more training :) Edited by king_pong - 05/26/2011 at 9:18pm |
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Cho!
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You said you flick your wrist on you forehand loop, do you do the same for the backhand?
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AMonteiro
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I belive newer made Avalox P Series are also "WRB"
Look the picture of my blade when I had to fix the broken handle: |
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DeIgado
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easy, answer is easy. You just need more training. That is all.
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kenneyy88
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Blame the equipment, not the player
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bluebucket
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This blade has been routed on the exact same machine by the same guy as a YEO, 100% same factory for sure
Edited by bluebucket - 05/26/2011 at 9:49pm |
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AMonteiro
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Yes, they are made at Woodhouse, Sweden.
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dingyibvs
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Yes, head-heavy setups suck for the BH, especially if you don't have a strong forearm. I had a heavy setup before that was also head-heavy, and I couldn't even practice my BH because after a few days of training, my wrist would hurt like hell and my thumb would swell up big time. I changed it to a setup that's about 40 grams or so lighter and it's improved my BH tremendously.
For you, though, 81 grams for a blade really isn't that much, even with two heavy Chinese rubbers and being head heavy. Unless you're a kid or you're getting injuries from it, you should just work on it and improve your forearm strength. Keep in mind that backhand looping requires a LOT of wrist movement. If you need help improving your technique, try starting from this tutorial of Zhang Jike's backhand: |
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bluebucket
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I did some searching around on Swedish pages and found they make Yasaka and Donic blades, but like you say I'm sure than Axalox also comes from there. There's also a blade factory in Germany and there at least used to be one in Belgium that made blades for TSP, does that still exist? anyone from Belgium know?
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How is it that Banda Pegasus is a faster clone of OC but still tagged as ALL+? What is the size of the head?
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king_pong
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Don't ask me. I've never played OC, but this website's description would imply that --
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Looks very much like HK.
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hut8
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if you use wood to block up the handle will it play better
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icontek
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Lead fishing weights are the all natural cure for WRB.
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iCanLoopHard
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i can backhand loop with my shoe...
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king_pong
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I didn't appreciate the blade at all until I put some tuned JOOLA Drum (Chinese rubber) on it, and it came alive like fire! Speed, spin, was all there. It's extremely flexible. It flexes under the pressure of your fingers. I don't know if that's the idea, but it works with those tacky Chinese rubbers pretty well (Globe 999 is probably the best feel on it). |
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