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tabten5 
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 Topic: I just received a fake Viscaria.Posted: 08/06/2013 at 4:50am |
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Found a good, reputable Ebay seller in the UK who had a Viscaria left in stock. It came today, and it's very clearly a (well-made) fake. I'm terribly disappointed, and annoyed. I've asked the seller for refund and return before I escalate the dispute with PayPal.
Please join me in my frustration. Arrrgghhhh. Here are some pictures, on request.      |
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Posted: 08/06/2013 at 5:07am |
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ebay is full of fakes. if you want a genuine article, you should just buy from a reputable vendor.
what is the big deal about Viscaria?? personally, i find the TBS or TB ALC to be equally good. paypal should be able to sort this out for you with no problems since the seller sold you a fake.
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Posted: 08/06/2013 at 5:12am |
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Lots of fake Viscaria nowadays.
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Posted: 08/06/2013 at 5:12am |
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There is no 'reputable vendor' (i.e. Teesport) in the UK selling Viscarias. As for why, I've been told the Viscaria has a bigger handle. I like the TB ALC, but the handle is too small. I want the TB ALC but with a bigger handle, i.e. I want the Viscaria.
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Posted: 08/06/2013 at 5:48am |
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If you paid via pay pal you dont have to worry at all. Pay pal will ensure you get your money back. Make sure you sent back via recorded mail with tracking information.
I sold many blades and rubbers on ebay and in my opinion it is the easiest and fastest way to sell your product.
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Posted: 08/06/2013 at 6:12am |
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Picture?
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Appelgren Allplat V2 FH: DHS H3 NAT BH: Donic M2 BTY Viscaria FH: DHS H3 NAT BH: Mark V |
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Posted: 08/06/2013 at 6:20am |
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Thanks. Not worried about my money; as you say, I bought via Paypal, and also have my credit card company to chase if needs be. It simply surprised me as this is a seller with years of transactions, and almost 100% positive feedback. Either nobody has noticed the fakes, or this is one accidental fake among other genuines, or he's been very lucky to get away with it.
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Posted: 08/06/2013 at 6:31am |
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Was that from ppongcouk? Did you do the transaction outside ebay?
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Posted: 08/06/2013 at 6:48am |
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I've added some pictures of the fake Viscaria to my first post. As I said, it's a fairly well-done fake, but the differences are immediately apparent. The last photo, alongside a genuine Timo Boll ZLF, is especially telling.
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Posted: 08/06/2013 at 6:51am |
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Oh, and I should add: the box it came in has no serial number.
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Posted: 08/06/2013 at 7:04am |
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How did you find out its fake except the bottom logo?
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Posted: 08/06/2013 at 7:21am |
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There's something noticeably wrong in every photo. Think of it as a game: see what you can spot...
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Posted: 08/06/2013 at 7:21am |
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The grey layer should be visible on the handle neck.
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Bingo, that's one. And the finishing quality is noticeable even in the photo - the glue residue all over the top of the handle piece. That's not Butterfly.
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Posted: 08/06/2013 at 10:18am |
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Best fake one Ive seen, thats worrying
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Posted: 08/06/2013 at 10:22am |
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Probably this is the way Butterfly is supporting their own high prices, by releasing slightly different items and making us believe they are fakes.
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Posted: 08/06/2013 at 10:28am |
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One slightly off-topic but very relevant question: is the handle on the Michael Maze (FL) bigger than the handle on the Timo Boll (FL) series? If it is, I could just get that rather than attempt to find a genuine Viscaria.
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Posted: 08/06/2013 at 10:40am |
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my advice. if you buy from ebay buy galaxy ALC blades, they play just aswell as butterfly blades are much cheaper and there are no fakes, they are less pretty though i'll admit
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Posted: 08/06/2013 at 10:43am |
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just compared the two. it is hard to tell but i believe that the MM is slightly bigger than the TBS Fl but only noticeable at the middle of the handle. Maze is an excellent blade, softer feel and more control.
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Many thanks. The middle of the handle is where I have the problem - the wraparound. I have big hands, and the handle on the ZLF slips around in my hand too much. I've just ordered a Maze, so I hope it feels more comfortable. If not, I'm giving up table tennis to become a monk.
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Posted: 08/06/2013 at 12:17pm |
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The exterior of blades may differ a little bit from a manufactory to a manufactory.
So, it is rather impossible to tell a fake product outright, unless you have got a proficient expertise of the product authentity.. Hence can you never make any accusation against and ask for any money refund from the seller. Are you a certified expert on table tennis products??? |
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tabten5 I am so sorry for your temporary loss; that taste in the mouth when we figure we've being taken is so bitter isnt't it? thanks for sharing.
I do not understand the "grey layer in the handle neck" mentioned above. |
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Note the difference at the top of the neck between the photo tabten5
posted (1st pic) and the following pic (2nd pic) from Butterfly online. Notice the bottom
gray layer of the handle that touches the blade itself does not extend
beyond the natural layer above it on the fake.
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Precisely, Brainstorm69 - well put. That last layer is also not perfectly flush with the previous layer - there are gaps. Again, I've never seen a Butterfly blade like that.
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If you cannot see the difference between a genuine, premium Butterfly blade and a (good) fake, I cannot help you. But a fake this certainly is. You also, of course, do not have the advantage of seeing it in the flesh and (importantly) holding it, feeling it. But even without that, I would suggest a diagnosis of fake from the photos I have provided is the only possible conclusion. I would guess you have never owned a premium Butterfly blade yourself.
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The base of the handle is too "oval".
The position of the Silver label is kinda "Skewed". The Neck areas (2 x radii) are too wide & it's so much different from mine which I got from my dear friend buddy o Pal, John Lam. I thought you almost got 1 from him months ago..no? Oh was that you who questioned the authencity of his when he had his out FS? I remember some 1 had doubt about his....but not me. I never go to EBay for any of the Btflies, if I want 1. I also know that some well-known Reseller from mytt is trying to unload his "gems/oldies" there which I always question the sources he got those from. Too bad & I hope others could learn a lesson or 2 from your post here.
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I posted the pictures precisely for this reason - so that others can compare. Unfortunately, with fakes as good as these, you won't know until it is delivered to you, but if you protect yourself properly you will be able to secure a refund.
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From the pictures above I am sure now that all viscarias I purchased in my country are fake. Though it had more woody feel like a stiga. Butterfly should have a solution for this and put an online database where we can introduce the serial number and we get the country where it is shipped to and the reseller . It is only way to avoid fakes. The one I had played well and looked handmade but after all it was a fake!
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Yep, the OP is the person that falsely accused me. I can't even defend myself because he won't reveal his source. Not good.  The Karma train has arrived.
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