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    Posted: 12/24/2019 at 2:06am
Originally posted by doraemon doraemon wrote:

Blades with similar composition (but different thickness) with Korbel are:

Adidas Challenge Force (now under brand name ITC)
Offensive S
Joola K5
Stratus Powerwood
and off course, Primorac Off-



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Andro Novacell Off

have similar if not the same composition.



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While classic blades are confirmed by many players (primorac, korbel, viscaria and etc), celero is not that popular. I totally like it, but my friend liked only handle and did not like the "feel". 

Another friend liked outright and was playing pretty consistently given that it was not his racket.

So whatever you are getting make sure that you calculate weight of final racket and then order blade to your desired weight.
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Originally posted by doraemon doraemon wrote:

No, Xiom Offensive S is limba - limba - ayous - limba - limba.   I am certain of it.
Thanks a lot for the heads up Doraemon. I need to go edit my "5 ply and why?!" thread now. 

Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

... Celero is limba, but it is thin and second layer under limba is "some hardened dried wood". So, guess what - it is crisp no less than koto, but unlike koto Celero has loooooooooooooooooong dwell time...

That's actually some great information fmarek. Sounds like a winner to me! I've noticed Celero getting some real attention online as well. 
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Given that you are not confused enough, let me confuse you more with this fact - 

you know how we all say that koto has a crisp feel while limba has soft feel. This is true. No, wait. This was true until Stiga came up with Celero blade. I played Viscaria (ZJK ALC) - koto and I played limba (primorac, fextra). Celero is limba, but it is thin and second layer under limba is "some hardened dried wood". So, guess what - it is crisp no less than koto, but unlike koto Celero has loooooooooooooooooong dwell time. Here you go, now you are confused. Welcome.


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Blades with similar composition (but different thickness) with Korbel are:

Adidas Challenge Force (now under brand name ITC)
Offensive S
Joola K5
Stratus Powerwood
and off course, Primorac Off-
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No, Xiom Offensive S is limba - limba - ayous - limba - limba.   I am certain of it.

It has that distinct "sharper" feel compared to limba - ayous (3x) - limba blades, such as:
Persson Powerallround (~6 mm)
Allround Evolution (~6 mm) and
Samsonov Premium Contact (~ 6mm).
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Originally posted by 3 steps ahead 3 steps ahead wrote:

I am surprised too see this composition as Offensive S is recommended as Korbel clone in numerous threads, this  makes it more similar to Stiga Offensive Classic?

I actually saw someone else point this out, which is why I wanted to ask around. Many people say it plays very much like the Korbel. Very interesting. Also, I think Stiga offensive classic is Limba-spruce-ayous but the stiga all around classic is limba- ayous-ayous. I guess thickness and maybe build quality are the real differentiators here.
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Originally posted by Kontra Kontra wrote:

Xiom Offensive S
Limba-Ayous-Ayous-Ayous-Limba

I am surprised too see this composition as Offensive S is recommended as Korbel clone in numerous threads, this  makes it more similar to Stiga Offensive Classic?
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Originally posted by Kontra Kontra wrote:

Xiom Offensive S
It's not far away from Korbel and it's 39.99$ :)

Yes, I've heard great things about this one. Thank you friend. 
Do you know if this is limba, limba, ayous? or limba ayous ayous?
"The database of table tennis blades composition" seems to say its limba ayous ayous just like the azalea all around. The forum consensus seems to be that it's limba, limba, ayous like the Korbel. Just curious.

Originally posted by trumpet_guy trumpet_guy wrote:


Stiga Azalea Allround.

Then when you are ready for a faster blade, go to the Azalea Offensive.

Thank you Trumpet_guy. Seems like a great 5 ply blade. Limba, ayous ayous . That pink though. Where I'm from, I couldn't. Please don't judge me. ErmmSmile
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Stiga Azalea Allround.

Then when you are ready for a faster blade, go to the Azalea Offensive.
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Xiom Offensive S
It's not far away from Korbel and it's 39.99$ :)

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Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

My Primorac can be yours. It is listed in Sale section on this forum for 35

Why bother with clones if you can get real one. Anyway there must be good clones out there too.

Hey fmarek! Thanks a lot for the consideration and offer. I really would like to try that blade. I'm just not comfortable buying unless it's in person or an actual online store. Sorry bout that, and sorry for the late reply!

I'm still a bit up in the air on which blade(s) I should try. There's so many options and things to consider... like hardness,composition, thickness, flex, rubber combinations etc. etc.. Confused 

I knew I wanted to be able to loop drive with cheaper chinese rubbers instead of just slower looping. I think I finally understand that I favor a more crisp feel (either from koto or harder outer ply), than a softer limba feeling blade. This is something I never even thought to consider before.  I'm a bit of a slow learner at times. Approve

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My Primorac can be yours. It is listed in Sale section on this forum for 35

Why bother with clones if you can get real one. Anyway there must be good clones out there too.
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Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

Covering fifty years of tournament play I found the perfect blade for me. A BTY Peter Korbel

Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

In general I agree. For more control might consider thinner Primorac but it takes time to feel the difference.

Thanks for your replies! Unfortunately, around $40 is my max budget for an all wood blade(That's my fault for not clarifying earlier). I must find a Peter Korbel clone maybe? :)


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Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

Covering fifty years of tournament play I found the perfect blade for me. A BTY Peter Korbel does everything very well. I like the ST handle due to it's size. A great allround/offensive blade that can produce speed, spin, control with a variety of rubber types. An important aspect of the Korbel is that it has several gears for a myriad of shots. A true classic. Can't go wrong with it unless a player is a beginner. Korbel has excellent feedback and nice dwell to produce perfect loops. Thick enough to block well and even chops well away from table. Try it...you will thank me.

In general I agree. For more control might consider thinner Primorac but it takes time to feel the difference.
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Covering fifty years of tournament play I found the perfect blade for me. A BTY Peter Korbel does everything very well. I like the ST handle due to it's size. A great allround/offensive blade that can produce speed, spin, control with a variety of rubber types. An important aspect of the Korbel is that it has several gears for a myriad of shots. A true classic. Can't go wrong with it unless a player is a beginner. Korbel has excellent feedback and nice dwell to produce perfect loops. Thick enough to block well and even chops well away from table. Try it...you will thank me.
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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:


I think you would like one of these two Swedish made globe blades or just anything Euro limba.  Stiga off classic type.  

Hey Cole. Thanks for the reply! Sorry, I'm not exactly sure what you are saying. 

Which two Swedish made globe blades are you referring to? Is it the Yinhe e-1 and e-3, or maybe something else? 

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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:


W6 blocks slow which is good  but if you have the arm speed it will snap.

Hey Cole... Do you have any of the yinhe e-1 or e-3? I know in the past you said you have some blades available that aren't listed on your site. Or do you have have any insights into these blades? Compared to the w-6 or other wood blades you carry for instance? 

I'd love to hear your thoughts on any blade that will increase one's chances of landing loop drives... I get so tired of doing slower spinny and safe open ups. Embarrassed

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I have the one that's the yellow violin copy.  I think that's e3

I think you would like one of these two Swedish made globe blades or just anything Euro limba.  Stiga off classic type.  
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Maybe you should find out what your preferred stiffness and hardness is. I find this to be the most important thing in any blade, as for me it determines control.

Tweaking these parameters isn't easy, and varies from person to Persson (lol)

Thanks! Yah, it's not too easy to figure out what works best for me at this stage of my table tennis journey. You really are good at selling that "Persson" blade, though... even with humor. LOL
It's definitely on my list now. 


Those OSP blades look fantastic. I'm sure they are worth the price, but it's just a little too pricey for me personally.

Originally posted by ericd937 ericd937 wrote:

If you want a really controlled blade, you could try something like Xiom Aigis or even one of the Donic Dotec blades.

Thanks for the input. I haven't even heard of those blades. I'll definitely look into it.


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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:


W6 blocks slow which is good  but if you have the arm speed it will snap.

Hey Cole... Do you have any of the yinhe e-1 or e-3? I know in the past you said you have some blades available that aren't listed on your site. Or do you have have any insights into these blades? Compared to the w-6 or other wood blades you carry for instance? 

I'd love to hear your thoughts on any blade that will increase one's chances of landing loop drives... I get so tired of doing slower spinny and safe open ups. Embarrassed

Thanks!


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Just my two cents. I saw some recommendations for W6. I tried that blade several years ago and I don't know how anyone could play with that blade. It captures all the incoming energy and has a really weird dead feel. It was one of my least favorite blades I've ever tried. If you want a really controlled blade, you could try something like Xiom Aigis or even one of the Donic Dotec blades. I played with Xiom Aigis when I was like 1200 to 1500 level. Its a good blade with tons of control and it isn't that slow. W6 was slower. 

W6 blocks slow which is good  but if you have the arm speed it will snap.
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Just my two cents. I saw some recommendations for W6. I tried that blade several years ago and I don't know how anyone could play with that blade. It captures all the incoming energy and has a really weird dead feel. It was one of my least favorite blades I've ever tried. If you want a really controlled blade, you could try something like Xiom Aigis or even one of the Donic Dotec blades. I played with Xiom Aigis when I was like 1200 to 1500 level. Its a good blade with tons of control and it isn't that slow. W6 was slower. 

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Originally posted by anongpong anongpong wrote:

Thanks everyone for your replies and considerations. 
Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

I am selling new Butterfly Primorac Off- 5ply.
Thanks fmarek. I just feel more comfortable buying from the stores. I read good things about the Primorac and Korbel as well as the Acoustic and Violin. They're just a little pricey. So thanks again for your generous offer. 

It seems the general consensus is just to get a good,controlled 5 ply wood blade or the Persson Powerplay. Why do there have to be so many options? Confused I wish I could try them all.

So far.... What I've gathered is... That those in need of an affordable blade with more control for loop drives should get a MEO, W-6, Sweden classic, or Persson powerplay. Also, there's no real correlation between more control on loop drives and thinner, flexy blades. 

I'm kind of surprised to hear that thinner and flexy(like fuga or p500) = less sweet spot and not better for controlled driving. 

If anyone has anything to add, feel free as I'll be mulling this over for a bit and still testing my dj fly(which is actually very nice but maybe too powerful for my skill level).

Thanks again!Hug

Maybe you should find out what your preferred stiffness and hardness is. I find this to be the most important thing in any blade, as for me it determines control.
Too soft/stiff = too much bounce, too little power on hard shots
Too hard/too flexy = too little bounce, extreme difference between soft and hard shots
PP is rather hard and not so thick, so it does not have a lot of bounce (much less than other 7ply), but the high gear is just as fast due to more flex and higher hardness.

Tweaking these parameters isn't easy, and varies from person to Persson (lol)
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Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

Originally posted by Hozuki Hozuki wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

I´ve played with Persson Powerplay for a long time. It´s the most controlled 7-ply blade I know.
It behaves like a 5-ply when playing passively (chops and blocks) with mild touch but much less vibration. 
When hit hard it definitely generates more power than a traditional 5-ply. 
Mine came with 87g and 5.9mm, in my opinion it was the best 7-ply blade I´ve had, better than Clipper, P700, Ludeack, Septear and Extrem S.

Can't agree more. Btw, if I ever want to sacrifice some control for a bit more speed, is there a similar blade you would recommend?
Maybe Nittaku Adelie, it looks like the old version of Clipper, with 6.2mm.
However, I´ve never tested it.

Thank you. I'll keep it in mind if I see anyone use it, as I always try before I buy.
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Thanks everyone for your replies and considerations. 
Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

I am selling new Butterfly Primorac Off- 5ply.
Thanks fmarek. I just feel more comfortable buying from the stores. I read good things about the Primorac and Korbel as well as the Acoustic and Violin. They're just a little pricey. So thanks again for your generous offer. 

It seems the general consensus is just to get a good,controlled 5 ply wood blade or the Persson Powerplay. Why do there have to be so many options? Confused I wish I could try them all.

So far.... What I've gathered is... That those in need of an affordable blade with more control for loop drives should get a MEO, W-6, Sweden classic, or Persson powerplay. Also, there's no real correlation between more control on loop drives and thinner, flexy blades. 

I'm kind of surprised to hear that thinner and flexy(like fuga or p500) = less sweet spot and not better for controlled driving. 

If anyone has anything to add, feel free as I'll be mulling this over for a bit and still testing my dj fly(which is actually very nice but maybe too powerful for my skill level).

Thanks again!Hug


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Originally posted by Hozuki Hozuki wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

I´ve played with Persson Powerplay for a long time. It´s the most controlled 7-ply blade I know.
It behaves like a 5-ply when playing passively (chops and blocks) with mild touch but much less vibration. 
When hit hard it definitely generates more power than a traditional 5-ply. 
Mine came with 87g and 5.9mm, in my opinion it was the best 7-ply blade I´ve had, better than Clipper, P700, Ludeack, Septear and Extrem S.

Can't agree more. Btw, if I ever want to sacrifice some control for a bit more speed, is there a similar blade you would recommend?
Maybe Nittaku Adelie, it looks like the old version of Clipper, with 6.2mm.
However, I´ve never tested it.
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Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

I´ve played with Persson Powerplay for a long time. It´s the most controlled 7-ply blade I know.
It behaves like a 5-ply when playing passively (chops and blocks) with mild touch but much less vibration. 
When hit hard it definitely generates more power than a traditional 5-ply. 
Mine came with 87g and 5.9mm, in my opinion it was the best 7-ply blade I´ve had, better than Clipper, P700, Ludeack, Septear and Extrem S.

Can't agree more. Btw, if I ever want to sacrifice some control for a bit more speed, is there a similar blade you would recommend?
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