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proSpin 
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I had one recently. Found that the handle is too thin for my liking.
I had used mizutani jun super zlc previously, so this is a huge change for me in terms of hardness. The CNF is a soft and flexible blade with unique feeling. Had posted it for sale on MYTT. Hope to sell it to a lucky user at a negotiable price
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Magic_M
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I had mixed feelings with the Revoldia.
On the positive side I liked the over-all-feeling and the playing-skills when I played active. For example looping is very easy with this blade. I really enjoyed this part of the game. But besides the fact, that the Revoldia is only available with FL handle (which is too thin in the middle - especially for everyone who is used to ST handles) there is another point, which I did not like. In the passive game (for example if you react and try to block a fast topspin and don't have enough time to play the block active) the control is not very high. In this point it behaves like a 5-ply all-wood-blade. It is not as direct as a composite blade. It felt, as if the blade is very sensitive to the opponents spin and speed. My conclusion is, that the Revoldia is somewhere between composite and all-wood blades, but more on the all-wood-side. The feeling is definitely nice and if you are always playing active, especially with topspin-variations, don't hesitate to test the Revoldia. You will like it very much. For blocking and smashing there are much better (and cheaper) blades in the market. Personally I need a blade which is nearly as good in the passive as in the active game.
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Dr.Cho
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I like to make blades and keep ahead of the curve on new materials or ways to enhance the way the ball behaves.
I've had the Cellulose nano-fiber for about 4 months and made 2 paddles with it. With only a limited amount of play with it, I would agree it does play different that a normal paddle. More power and better feel. I also have Tenergy 80 and Dignics 05 on it. I am now starting to work with Airblades on a new paddle using this material. Dr. Cho |
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I have played one hour with it. If it is too early to sum up all its characteristics, I can already say that it is a unique blade in a sense I have never played with anything like that before.
It's koto outer but feels more like anigre or even hinoki because it's soft and tender touch. If you play next with viscaria you will see what I mean even though it's koto outer as well. Next discovery is that it is not a speed monster. A solid Off blade, no more. Very controllable in short game. But definitely enough power when rally begins to end it off. Then comes throw angle which is high. Better stick some low throw rubbers on it or you will suffer. Finally comes the touch feel which makes it very unique. It is not woody, not carbon/composite, not in between. Something new. It's plain, soft, steady with lots of feedback and no parasite vibration. The flared handle is a little bit too thin to my taste but still very comfy. Balance is top notch. A very good blade altogether.
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Yes, zeio said the same and I am sure you are both right about not losing anything re. structural integrity with a core made out of multiple pieces.
The picture I posted is a zoom on the picture I found on Butterfly's website, you can see that vertical cut without zooming: It's really no big deal. It's just better when people know though, they can make themselves an opinion. I'll stop now as I am aware I might be borderline annoying. |
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Hipnotic
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Looking at the picture Magic_M posted it looked like a one piece core, but it doesn't show the whole blade so it might not be. Looking at the picture you posted it looks like a multi piece core but it doesn't show the whole blade and the image quality isn't the best, so it might also not be. I share the opinion that the blade is outrageously expensive, and that is coming from a blade maker point of view. But I'm also of the opinion that I shouldn't pass judgment on those who can afford and will buy the blade. It's their money and they can do as they please. Regarding the one piece or multi piece core, Butterfly never claimed they only make one piece cores, so you can't really judge them for something that's your expectation. I think it's much worse to announce the weight range of a blade and then having blades out there that are 10g over weight, like what happened with the Hariomoto ALC. A multi piece core (2,3 pieces) doesn't affect performance. In fact, it can be better than a 1 piece core for several reasons: - Glue is stronger than wood - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f90QoWOs9TE - Wood is not homogeneous so it's easier to select similar pieces (density, grain direction) - Paulownia (Kiri) is a relatively small tree, so bigger pieces are more likely to have more discontinuities - Less waste
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Maybe you peeps missed my picture above with the blue arrow? I see no more comment about the Revoldia core...
 I used to like playing lego so much when I was a kid and I am thinking of a mashup of that and table tennis blade core manufacturing, starting there: https://www.123rf.com/visual/search/9853691. Not only will I save money in production costs but the core integrity of the blade will be strengthened for an harmonious dispersion of the ball impact between the pieces via the nano glue. |
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i'd vote to bring it back, whatever it was. got my popcorn out and could use some lockdown entertainment.
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I hided all non relevant to topic posts until moderator of this section will make decision
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People getting testy during lockdown.
No doubt it is stressful time for everyone, but let's all play nice on the internet anyway.
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I am sure the Revoldia is great. It looks so good! the edge pictures are fantastic. What is the CNF ply? is it the white one? or the very thin black one? About the core in multiple pieces: it is just a picky remark. Yes I see multiple pieces on the Revoldia and also there, on Butterfly's website: I am talking about this picture: Here is a zoom, what do you think? Edit:
I am taking the opportunity to ask Hipnotic as well since he seems well introduced.  Edited by stiltt - 04/10/2020 at 12:21pm |
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Magic_M
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My own Revoldia has a weight of 88g. I hope I will get used to the flared handle. Normally I clearly prefer ST handles, but the Revoldia is only available with FL.   Unfortunately there is no chance for a real training here in Germany. And I don't think that this will be possible again before the end of August.
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We know Butterfly are really good at building blades, it will be of great quality of course.
I have owned 2 MJ SZLC and each time I did not experience that sparkly moment when you feel like you really got something out of the ordinary. I had it with the regular mj, the mmaze alc, the barwell fleet, the violin, the apolonia, the nexy spear, the avalox P500, the xiom aria and vega pro, a lot of borko and ross leidy, the ludeack power pro, the andro kinetic supreme zylon hinoki, the 1st osp ultimate, the dotec hinoki, the speed 90, the darker 7p-2a-7t and I forget many that enchanted me. I never had the spark with any MJ SZLC I owned or ZJK SZLC I borrowed. The price was probably the cause because I expected more, I think with a valid reason. Let's say I find something that cost $129 a fantastic blade but give me the same at $400 and I'll go "meh....": is this irrational? I expect the Revoldia to act as a powerful 5-ply that plays crispier than a softish 7-ply ultimate, the dust coats compensating for the harder koto? We'll see. I'll try it for sure, for the heck of it, I am curious about the technology.
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idk
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because butterfly is the devil for making the best blades and rubbers and charging accordingly for it.  granted, the super ZLC blades haven't taken off tremendously in popularity, likely due to the price and marginal performance differences, but thus, the market spoke and not many people bought it. however, the first year of dignics has been a big success because it does provide a lot of major benefits over tenergy which was already the best rubber in the market for a decade and counting. if the same thing that happened with SZLC happens with CNF, so be it. or maybe it will be a success again. not sure why someone who has no interest in buying it would care about the price and go out of their way to laugh at people who do choose to make that purchase.
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But what about $15k in 2 weeks in St Barts and then Anguilla? Seriously, stiltt - we need to accept this: In the US, TT is a relatively inexpensive sport. Do you know how much families spend on skiing here or dads spend on golf? Membership at the local tennis club near me is $8,500 annually. And it is really popular despite the fact that our towns have plenty of free courts available. We just have to admit it and move on: for some of us (especially in the NY Tristate area / Bay Area in CA), the $350 difference in blade price is not significant if it lasts an year or more. Median bill if my 3 friends and I go to a decent (not great) restaurant in NYC is $350 without drinks. So, then begs the question: Why is it bad for a TT company to make a (possibly) slightly better blade for those that can afford it? Why must they only cater to my or your budget and if not, they must be evil?
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What the other two guys said. I'll wait until I get feedback from trusted sources to judge, but it seems like you have your mind made up on the quality of the blade just based on the price. How are you so convinced already that the blade is no good?
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Then carbon blades are just 5 plies + coal (dust I guess?)? ALC/ZLC are just 5 plies plus coal plus cloth? It's overpriced, ok, but the story is not quite that dumb.
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Why is that more laughable than the same price for an SZLC blade? At least with the CNF the average player might play better than with an SZLC. On that basis they should charge $600 for CNF.
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Almost $400 for a 5-ply all wood to which 2 plies of wood dust mixed with glue were added: if you do not find that laughable, I do.
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The composition seems to be Koto / CNF / Ayous / Kiri.
Definitely a one piece core.
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any reviews of the blade?
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What do you see there? Wood is a natural product, which is not 100% equal on any place. If you have an own blade with kiri core, please look around the blade and you will see lots of different structures in the core.
Here are pictures of 2 Vega Pro. Didn`t you say that Xiom uses a "jointless core"?    And here another picture of the Vega Pro core, where you can see the usual unequal core structure  Do you really think, that the Vega Pro core looks better than the core of the Revoldia? I hold the Revoldia in my hands and can not see any indication for several core pieces. |
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The core on the left of the silver tag looks different than from the right, cut in a different angle or comes from a different tree altogether, indicating they keep using several pieces of wood to build their cores, and some specialists here say it's ok. I still find weird that top of the line material can't afford 1-piece cores like Xiom advertises for example but it's true that if the blade behaves the exact same then it's just perception and pickyness.
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Thanks for the high quality picture!
Looks like koto, then CNF, then ?spruce?, and then ?kiri? for the core?
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What is there to laugh about?
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Yes, it definitely has a koto outer layer  |
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Sure we all agree on that. Congrats on the buyers. Can't wait to read the reviews and LMAOL.
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@ IDK, I agree totally. I don't understand the disparaging comments. USA is supposed to be a country that understands business yet we have posters quoting material costs as if that's the only thing that affects pricing. The fact is that none us here will play better with a blade costing more that £50. Every blade over £50 is pure indulgence. My blade costs £300+. It's indulgence bordering on stupidity. But guess what? I love the blade. It does not improve my game over a £50 blade but so what? I enjoy the playing experience. It's like comparing a Honda Civic to a BMW 3 series. For our daily driving needs, the Honda is quite adequate. However, I'm sure most of us would choose the Bimmer if we could afford it.
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