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sunny
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Possibly because Tenergy is most popular rubber, selling with Tenergy sells more of this blade then selling with Dignics
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Magic_M
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In a german forum someone mentioned that this kind of cellulose ist usually used as top layer of laminates and your Kutchen - „countertop“ (not sure of this is the correct translation). The benefit of this fibre is that it is also made out of wood. That means that you don`t need special glue (like Epoxy). You can simple use a natural glue like it is used in all-wood-blades.
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kucharski
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So is it the same concept of victas dynawood technology?
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Impossible is really impossible
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Veet
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umm... don't think so ... here's the description of Dynawood... The secret is the new Dynawood Technology – this innovative material is made of countless, extremely thin wood fibres which are joined in a complex process. and here's an image, explaining CNF .. |
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jfolsen
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Butterfly online says $369. It's all wood and glue, less than a square foot and the thickness is measured in millimeters. For Kiso Hinoki, trees that have to grow for 200-250 years in a particular region, those I can understand why there would be a premium. This? It requires more explanation.
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piligrim
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$285 on ProTT
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stiltt
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"the enhanced feel and flexier loops with impactful direct hits!!!" The marketing circus is assembling its tent. "ayee,..., ayo,..., revoldia we go,..." "roses are red, violets are blue, wait 'til the nano glue."
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tom
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Edited by tom - 04/02/2020 at 1:25pm |
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longrange
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...which looks exactly the same from the description.
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idk
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I'm sure people were saying the same thing about Dignics, and it turned out to be a great success.
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Tinykin
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@ IDK, I agree totally. I don't understand the disparaging comments. USA is supposed to be a country that understands business yet we have posters quoting material costs as if that's the only thing that affects pricing. The fact is that none us here will play better with a blade costing more that £50. Every blade over £50 is pure indulgence. My blade costs £300+. It's indulgence bordering on stupidity. But guess what? I love the blade. It does not improve my game over a £50 blade but so what? I enjoy the playing experience. It's like comparing a Honda Civic to a BMW 3 series. For our daily driving needs, the Honda is quite adequate. However, I'm sure most of us would choose the Bimmer if we could afford it.
Edited by Tinykin - 04/04/2020 at 6:49pm |
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stiltt
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Sure we all agree on that. Congrats on the buyers. Can't wait to read the reviews and LMAOL.
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gatz
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Blade: ZJ SZLC, Garayda 5000 Matador Texa
Rubbers: FH::Symmetry SP BH: Tenergy Hard, FH: MoristoSP ax BH: Tenergy Hard,FH:Desperado 2 BH: Omega 7 Asia |
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Magic_M
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idk
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What is there to laugh about?
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BauerPower
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Thanks for the high quality picture!
Looks like koto, then CNF, then ?spruce?, and then ?kiri? for the core?
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stiltt
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The core on the left of the silver tag looks different than from the right, cut in a different angle or comes from a different tree altogether, indicating they keep using several pieces of wood to build their cores, and some specialists here say it's ok. I still find weird that top of the line material can't afford 1-piece cores like Xiom advertises for example but it's true that if the blade behaves the exact same then it's just perception and pickyness.
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Magic_M
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What do you see there? Wood is a natural product, which is not 100% equal on any place. If you have an own blade with kiri core, please look around the blade and you will see lots of different structures in the core.
Here are pictures of 2 Vega Pro. Didn`t you say that Xiom uses a "jointless core"? And here another picture of the Vega Pro core, where you can see the usual unequal core structure Do you really think, that the Vega Pro core looks better than the core of the Revoldia? I hold the Revoldia in my hands and can not see any indication for several core pieces. |
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Jackcerry
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any reviews of the blade?
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Hipnotic
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The composition seems to be Koto / CNF / Ayous / Kiri.
Definitely a one piece core.
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stiltt
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Almost $400 for a 5-ply all wood to which 2 plies of wood dust mixed with glue were added: if you do not find that laughable, I do.
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Mickael
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Any explanation please help. |
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Butterfly Fransizka ZLC FL
Butterfly Dignics 05 2.1 FH Butterfly Tenergy 05 1.9 BH |
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BRS
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Why is that more laughable than the same price for an SZLC blade? At least with the CNF the average player might play better than with an SZLC. On that basis they should charge $600 for CNF.
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longrange
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Then carbon blades are just 5 plies + coal (dust I guess?)? ALC/ZLC are just 5 plies plus coal plus cloth? It's overpriced, ok, but the story is not quite that dumb.
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idk
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What the other two guys said. I'll wait until I get feedback from trusted sources to judge, but it seems like you have your mind made up on the quality of the blade just based on the price. How are you so convinced already that the blade is no good?
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slevin
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But what about $15k in 2 weeks in St Barts and then Anguilla? Seriously, stiltt - we need to accept this: In the US, TT is a relatively inexpensive sport. Do you know how much families spend on skiing here or dads spend on golf? Membership at the local tennis club near me is $8,500 annually. And it is really popular despite the fact that our towns have plenty of free courts available. We just have to admit it and move on: for some of us (especially in the NY Tristate area / Bay Area in CA), the $350 difference in blade price is not significant if it lasts an year or more. Median bill if my 3 friends and I go to a decent (not great) restaurant in NYC is $350 without drinks. So, then begs the question: Why is it bad for a TT company to make a (possibly) slightly better blade for those that can afford it? Why must they only cater to my or your budget and if not, they must be evil?
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idk
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because butterfly is the devil for making the best blades and rubbers and charging accordingly for it. granted, the super ZLC blades haven't taken off tremendously in popularity, likely due to the price and marginal performance differences, but thus, the market spoke and not many people bought it. however, the first year of dignics has been a big success because it does provide a lot of major benefits over tenergy which was already the best rubber in the market for a decade and counting. if the same thing that happened with SZLC happens with CNF, so be it. or maybe it will be a success again. not sure why someone who has no interest in buying it would care about the price and go out of their way to laugh at people who do choose to make that purchase.
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stiltt
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We know Butterfly are really good at building blades, it will be of great quality of course.
I have owned 2 MJ SZLC and each time I did not experience that sparkly moment when you feel like you really got something out of the ordinary. I had it with the regular mj, the mmaze alc, the barwell fleet, the violin, the apolonia, the nexy spear, the avalox P500, the xiom aria and vega pro, a lot of borko and ross leidy, the ludeack power pro, the andro kinetic supreme zylon hinoki, the 1st osp ultimate, the dotec hinoki, the speed 90, the darker 7p-2a-7t and I forget many that enchanted me. I never had the spark with any MJ SZLC I owned or ZJK SZLC I borrowed. The price was probably the cause because I expected more, I think with a valid reason. Let's say I find something that cost $129 a fantastic blade but give me the same at $400 and I'll go "meh....": is this irrational? I expect the Revoldia to act as a powerful 5-ply that plays crispier than a softish 7-ply ultimate, the dust coats compensating for the harder koto? We'll see. I'll try it for sure, for the heck of it, I am curious about the technology.
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Magic_M
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My own Revoldia has a weight of 88g. I hope I will get used to the flared handle. Normally I clearly prefer ST handles, but the Revoldia is only available with FL. Unfortunately there is no chance for a real training here in Germany. And I don't think that this will be possible again before the end of August.
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stiltt
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I am sure the Revoldia is great. It looks so good! the edge pictures are fantastic. What is the CNF ply? is it the white one? or the very thin black one? About the core in multiple pieces: it is just a picky remark. Yes I see multiple pieces on the Revoldia and also there, on Butterfly's website: I am talking about this picture: Here is a zoom, what do you think? Edit:
I am taking the opportunity to ask Hipnotic as well since he seems well introduced. Edited by stiltt - 04/10/2020 at 12:21pm |
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