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dolphin2025
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Posted: 08/13/2020 at 6:56pm |
So I played in my middle school 3-4 days a week, 30+ weeks until the coronavirus, and spin regularly, mostly backhand and forehand topspin. I used a Butterfly RDJ S2 at school (64,66.5,81 ratings). After the coronavirus, i played with my family, and they are not that good, and they played with the wood paddles that came with the table. So I thought it would be good idea to get a better paddle and give the Butterfly to my family. So I got a Sportout 77-008. The paddle came with a tag that said 90,90,90 rating. It is about 30g heavier and maybe 2mm taller and wider. However, it doesn't really feel any better, spin and speed seem the same. And it is heavier, which makes it a bit harder to play since I am a kid (I have pretty big hands but still). Also, I still miss a lot with forehand topspin on the new paddle even after a week, with the butterfly I hit fine. Should I maybe get a cheaper/different paddle? I don't know much about TT oof any help appreciated.
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Checkout this site instead...
For a little more $$$, you could get a custom made racket that might be more suited to your needs. If you need advice, drop Cole a message, he is always keen to help. TTEquipment.co.uk |
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ejprinz
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It depends how much you want to spend on the paddle. From the cost-effective ones, a good option is the Palio Expert 3 for beginners, Palio Master 3 for intermediate, and Palio Legend 3 for advanced players (these are competition legal, see Amazon.com). I use the Expert 3 as my guest/wife racket, it is pretty slow but has spinny (but not tacky) rubbers.
I assume you don't want to glue the rubbers on yourself, if you do you have many options from the usual places, megaspin.net, paddlepalace.com, tabletennis11.com, princett.com. If you are patient (2-3 months delivery) you can go to princett.com in Hong Kong. Several places assemble the rubbers for you. Some blades come varnished from the factory, some don't. For blades which are not varnished, I get them without rubber and varnish them with MinWax polyurethane coating / satin. This makes the blade more resilient for changing rubbers. I also varnish the handle so I can wash it with disinfectant or detergent after playing. It would be good to play with a blade before buying it since the handle shapes vary quite a bit, e.g. Yasaka tapered handles are more elliptic than the typical Chinese tapered handles (Yinhe, Sanwei, etc.). Paddlepalace.com has a good table of all blades showing their speed, weight, etc. At this point I would advise to stay away from blades with too hard a top layer of wood as control suffers until you are really good, have chosen your game, and you know you need it. Limba or Hinoki works well for top spin as a top layer. A good choice is the Sanwei Fextra for $35 from Megaspin or $20 from princett, everyone who has one loves it (see the reviews). So this is an OFF blade and it doesn't get too fast with say a Nittaku FastArc G1. For the rubbers it depends how you are playing. Typical top spin rubbers are in the PaddlePalace table with high "spin" obviously. Also there are different types of rubbers (very tacky, not tacky, etc.). If you read all the "Equipment" articles in https://pingsunday.com/ you are fully up to speed on things and can choose yourself... I agree with the coach that it is better to go with a slower blade and harder rubbers (I bought a bunch of blades with harder top wood and softer rubbers and they don't work quite as well as softer top wood and harder rubbers). Also, going with a popular blade won't hurt either: same for rubbers. However, the #1 blade of tabletennis11 (Yasaka Ma Lin Extra Offensive) has a harder top wood (walnut) and is not the best blade for top spin, e.g. Stiga Clipper is better (Limba top). Even if you are bargain hunting you still are looking at > $100 for the racket if you buy blade and rubber separately. If this price range is OK you have 100's of options so in that case you should play with a blade before you buy it.
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dolphin2025
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Thanks! Lol I'm not willing to spend that much money, looking for like a premade one $15-$25 dollars. What are your thoughts on https://www.amazon.com/Butterfly-RDJ-Table-Tennis-Racket/dp/B079RTVNVL and
https://www.amazon.com/Sportout-Approved-Tennis-Professional-Pingpong/dp/B07JBY182R? Is the sportout actually better than the butterfly? I feel like the Sportout is not actually 90/100 speed, 90/100 spin, 90/100 control.
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ejprinz
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Your best bet for $15-25 in the USA is to buy a 2nd hand racket from an experienced player who is upgrading, with still decent rubbers. Read the review at:
and I can at least vouch for the Palio Expert which is a decent beginner's racket (I could play myself with it and win games if I had to, with a little more effort because the blade is maybe Allround- speed). I would stay away from <$50 premade rackets, for the reasons given in the above . Or if someone you know travels to China (long shot right now) have them bring you a racket along, due to the effective 6-1 exchange rate that's probably possible. Don't forget the value of your time. If you spend 2 hours a week playing table tennis, instead spend 1 hour mowing someone's lawn and use the money to buy a $50-$100 racket then you need less time to get to the same level. Infact this is the key point here, at your age the by far most valuable asset you have is your time - spend it wisely. |
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SmackDAT
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You get what you pay for buddy, increase that budget to buy a custom mad racket at least - $40 would cut it
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tzo
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If your parents can afford it, I strongly suggest that you become an EJ , as early as possible in your life. This is a great lifestyle and once you get addicted to rubbers and blades, the fun and sleepless nights never end.
I am not sure which EJ has spent most money in say an year. But I have seen some EJs carry 10 new sheets of Tenergy in their bags (at like $65 a pop) in addition to 5 or 6 ZLC / ALC blades at $400 or o a pop. If your parents cannot afford the socially accepted two wing looping lifestyle you may want to consider (long)pips lifestyle. The rubbers may cost a little less depending but you can blow I mean spend your money on customized blades. Only thing you have to be careful is old farts trying to corrupt you into dangerous hardbat or sandpaper lifestyles.
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dolphin2025
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Thanks everyone for the advice! I'm thinking of getting a Pailo Expert 3, but it's a lot of money, what are your thoughts?
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mjamja
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I like that the rubbers on the Expert 3 are said to be replaceable. Lots of premades are glued such that you can not remove the rubbers once they age to the point of not performing. For $16 to $24 dollars you can replace the rubber with even better ones and essentially have a brand new paddle once the original rubbers die.
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ejprinz
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Palio Expert 3 is OK for beginners through say the first 2 years. The blade is a bit slow (say ALLROUND- in the scheme of DEF - ALLROUND - OFF - OFF+ - OFF++) but good quality. Also slow is better than fast for learning good technique. Make sure you buy the Expert 3 (Palio Expert 3.0 Table Tennis Racket & Case - ITTF Approved, Beginner Ping Pong Bat), not the Expert 2.
Good luck !!
Edited by ejprinz - 08/19/2020 at 12:39am |
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mts388
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If you PM me with your address I'll send you a Giant Dragon Balsa Lite blade with a new sheet of Tibar evolution ELS and a used Tenergy 05 on the other side. If you don't want that I have a brand new Gambler Super Flex double carbon blade with Aces rubber on both sides.
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BH-Man
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I have annually advocated that for the absolute bargain hunters wanting to make an all-new allround setup that will run circles around pre-made bat is to:
1. Go to Walmart and get a $4-$6 hardbat no sponged short pips bat... and take off the rubbers. The glue used to adhere those are nowehere near as felony criminal as the glue used with the sponged premades... then wear gardners glove and rub off all the excess glue... now you have an Allround to Allroun MINUS blade (the wheelhouse for a developing playeranyway) 2. Order 2 each $8 XP208 rubbers from colestt.com in whatever thicknes you dare... shipping $2 for 2 rubbers... cost $18 3. If you have rubber cement...great. if not, get some while at Walmart for a whopping $3. 4. Glue rubbers onto cleaned up blade and cut rubbers with $.69 scissors (walmart procurred if no scissors at home) and VOILA!!! new bat ready to rock 1000x better than a premade. Total cost for this mision excluding gas, time, wear&tear and parking... $28 inclusive.
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emihet
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pm you...i might find a blade for you collecting dust somewhere in the garage
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BH-Man
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I have seen emihet's garages... and you will be very hard pressed to find any real dust, either on hte floors/walls or in his TT blade boxes.
Of course, this is a fugure of speech he is using. You can count on emihet.
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Jefftberg
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Or you could order a Yinhe N9, N10, or N11 with 2 sheets of Palio CJ8000 from princett.com and get it assembled and shipped to your door (in the US) for about $25
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doraemon
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OR the easiest would be just order everything from Cole and be done with it. |
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