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blahness
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Comparable and in some instances even more advanced. For eg the side-under chiquita that the penholder did is such a disgusting shot...it even drew some oohhs and aahs from the audience lol...it's not your normal chiquita which even I can do...
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mickd
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I'm readjusting my estimate down by 50+ points because I thought it was the whole match. But you're right. It's only a highlights video. That said, they showed over 50% of the points it seems. So yeah, take 50+ points, possibly even 100 from what I said earlier :)
I still think they are 2200+ though. But maybe not 2400+ anymore. between 2200-2350. It's a large range, but we aren't given so much to go off.
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Lightspin
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I spoke to someone tonight from China about the Chinese rating system. It sounds even more confusing than the US system. He said that 1800 in China roughly correlates to 2100 in the USA. However, he said that a 2400 player in China is about the same as a 2400 player in the USA. What does this all mean? I am not sure, but if I get the chance I will ask more Chinese players about it.
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balldance
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Very fair assessment. I also watched it again and i would adjust my estimate to 2200-2300. Still think they are too one dimensional to be 2400. Some of you guys only look at the attacking shot quality, but table tennis is so much more than just attacking shot quality. If it’s all about the quality of attacking shot and looking spectacular, Kanak Jha wouldn’t even get to top 200 world ranking. He gets to top 30 with his consistency, soft touch, blocking, wise shot selection, etc.
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blahness
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Honestly I thought it was the full match too, if it's not then I would agree with mickd too...
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astaroyd
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one interesting point is the chinese after the initial spiny loop will always counterloop with fh if they can.
the us players even up to 2500 all have the habit that when one of them loops the other one just blocks (even if the ball goes to their fh). the habit of counterlooping everything is an advanced technique used by pros and could put the chinese around 2450 !!!
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idk
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the reason is that there is much more competition and way more players in that skill range (18-2300) in China. if they are in the 1900s, seems like 2100-2200 is in fact the reasonable estimate.
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and for the players in the video, they can't do it with any consistency at all, even though they try, and that is the reason they are not 2450
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cole_ely
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The footwork just isn't there to be tickling 2500. They're too off-balance.
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I don´t understand much about the numbers of these ratings.
If we pick a world and olympic champion, like Ma Long or Zhang Jike, how much would be their ratings? Is there a maximum number to reach?
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cole_ely
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in the US nobody gets over 2700's because there's nobody to beat over 2700. But if the best domestic players are around that rating, the top pros are probably over 3000.
that's what I've always read as the "pat" answer to this question
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astaroyd
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how many US2400 players are there?
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Valiantsin
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Nice question :)
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idk
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quite a large handful now, though i thought you would know that based on how youve commented in this thread
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astaroyd
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159 from 320 million. that's 0,000049% of the us population easier to spot an alien
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idk
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159 is not including people who's ratings have expired or are not USATT members. that is a large chunk of players. things you would know if you actually had a clue about USATT.
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check at 1:50
check at 3:18 the us players seem to be more regular in the bh. in fh both videos look similar. also I think at this level the us guys are already taking it pretty seriously. training a lot. that's why they are more regular. the chinese are definitely not high level in china... so chances are they are just hobby players without too much serious training. that could explain some of their mistakes which are pretty basic.
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