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ttplayer05
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Posted: 09/08/2006 at 9:09am |
Has anyone tried this rubber? What are your thoughts on it? Do the pimples fall off as easily as 837 and 755.
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agooding2
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I use it to give others practice against long pips. It seems very durable for hitting, no pimples have fallen out and they're very stiff and hard. The tops of the pimples are smooth so it's harder to control on touch shots and pretty difficult to create spin but it returns a fair amount of spin on blocks. Hitting is good as long as the ball is high enough and you open your blade sufficiently. You can also roll the ball on the table if your gentle with it. -- Andrew |
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ttplayer05
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Thanks Andrew for your comments on it
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haggisv
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I only found the 837 not too durable, with pimples falling off. Never had any trouble with 755 or 755 faster. As Andrew mentioned, spin reversal is good as these pimples are quite smooth. They're a real good hitting/blocking long pimple, too fast for chopping. |
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tt12
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Andrew, I am a penholder with long pimple on my backhand. I am learning RBP, is it practical to use 755Faster for both hitting and topspin loop. 1.How much spin reversal is lost compared with 755 with 0.6mm sponge ? 2.I used to receive serve with 755, and is very effective to absorb the spins. How much loss in control if I switch to 733Faster? |
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haggisv
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Can't really loop with long pimpled rubbers. The 755 sponge is faster and springier, pimples are different too. Will probably lose a fair bit of control if you switch.
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agooding2
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I haven't used regular 755 so I'd go with what Haggis said. I can only loop on forehand with spinny short pips, like 802-40 and Joola Tango Ultra. I also recieve serves with my short pips and they work fine for that.
I use inverted on my penhold backhand as there's more spin variation. 755 Faster is pretty much just for hitting and blocking. I've tried short pips on my backhand and could see how they could work too for that. -- Andrew |
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I haven't used regular 755 so I'd go with what Haggis said. I can only loop on forehand with spinny short pips, like 802-40 and Joola Tango Ultra. I also recieve serves with my short pips and they work fine for that.
I use inverted on my penhold backhand as there's more spin variation. 755 Faster is pretty much just for hitting and blocking. I've tried short pips on my backhand and could see how they could work too for that. -- Andrew |
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tt12
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Thanks all for sharing the experience using 755 and 755Faster. I am still in the trial and error stage. I want to reinforce my penhold backhand, that is why I go for RPB. But I don't want to give up my long pips, which helps me with lots of easy points and control when receiving spinny serves. Based on your info that I will lose a lot of control if I switch to 755Faster makes me hesitate. I might just stick with my 755 on sponge. Using it as RBP, although I find it quite difficult to hit balls especially when you are running around. Still thinking how to get a good solution. |
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haggisv
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You may want to consider a medium or short pip. You'll still be sacrifising some control, but attacking will be a lot easier.
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tt12
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haggisv,I watched a lot of good RBP players like Ma Lin, Wang Hao, Li Ching, Feng Zhe.. all of them use inverted (on both BH and FH). Even Liu Kuo Liang, a pips player, used inverted BH. There must be reason(s) for that. May be without topspin (or looping), the effectiveness of RBP is heavily penalized. However, in the amateur level, a RBP with only hit, blocking ability is better than no backhand at all. What brand name of short pips (or medium pips as you mentioned) can do a good job on RBP and good control in receiving serves. BTW, I would like to keep the weight of the racket light. N.B. I can twiddle very well.
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If you just want to try something cheap, Friendship 802 with thin sponge (like 1.5) is a standard short pip.
Others are faster or spinnier, but this will give you an idea if short pips will work better than long. -- Andrew |
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Borrowed a Yasaka PB-1 2.0mm sponge and used as RBP. I could hit 10 times easier. That is good. But, there is minimal spin in the shots, especially when I tried to topspin a downspin ball, my opponent just smash it back. In addition, the control in receiving spinny serves is nowhere close to long pips. Is there a proper way to make short tips RBP shots more awesome, like the inverted ?
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haggisv
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I thought the main strength of RBP was the loop, for which you need a inverted rubber, although some spinny short pimpled rubbers are an option. If you want spinny serves not to have much effect on your bh rubber, you something with not too much grip. The 755 is pretty good for that, since the pimples are smooth, not too grippy, but still allow some offensive shots. To make it easier to attack with, it's a lot easier with a more grippy rubber, but this will also make it more susceptable to incoming spin such as on serves. You need to make some compromise, since you can't have it both ways. I was thinking something like Globe 888, which is not that fast, still has some long pimple effects, but can certainly be used for attack... I 'm not sure how suitable it is for RBP though... |
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My friend in the club recommended me a mdeian pips RITC 799 to me this evening. I could RPB with it so confidently, and it seemed quite fast. On the adverse side, I didn't feel any long pips effect when returning serves. Seems that control is even worse than inverted?! Anyone has experience using RITC 799 before? Please share your experience. Also, Andrew recommend 802-40. How good it is for control in returning spinny serves? |
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haggisv
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802-40 is very grippy and spinny for a short pimpled rubber, but not as grippy as most inverted. So it will still be less susceptable to spin than most inverted rubbers.
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Actually I recommended regular 802, 802-40 is spinnier and tends to come with thicker sponge. 799 is even a little less spinny than 802 so should be fine. If you want easier service returns and a "weird" effect then you want a spinless rubber and if you want a better RPB you'll want spinnier rubber, probably an inverted so it's a tradeoff between the two. I use the backside of my penhold paddle for opening loops, not for service return so inverted makes sense there. As the RPB blade angle tends to be naturally closed inverted helps you lift the ball over the net. If you just want to use the backside for service return, you can keep using long pips there, but I doubt that is optimal. I find it harder to adjust blade angle on the backhand so I return all short serves with my forehand side, where I use short pips. That also gives me the option of attacking with a flip or loop. -- Andrew |
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