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master-pong
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Thank you Speedplay (and Fraziel) but there's a difference between 2.0 rubbers on an allround blade and on an offensive blade...I really do think 2.0 (or thicker?!)on a Petr Korbel is too fast for a beginner....and I also don't know his ranking and his strokes and playing style...so, we could never give him the 'perfect' advice. Rubbers and blades are something personal...one guy likes it...the other guy hates it...I've seen it everywhere! Now...I agree with you that 2.0 shouldn't always have to be too fast....but some sriver FX on a primorac off- and a beginners is fine really!...but seriously dude...I've played with an Andro rocket medium on korbel and seriously..for a beginning player...DON'T GET THICKER THAN 1.8mm ROCKET MEDIUM! 1.8 is fine on petr korbel AND....it isn't too expensive. master-pong |
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sunflex
Super Member Joined: 12/15/2005 Location: Anguilla Status: Offline Points: 355 |
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blade:joola power allround+ fh: Sriver 2.1 bh: Quattro 2.0/sriver fx 2.1 verslijmers advies fh speedy s/l 1.8 bh topspin c 1.8 blade:andro kinetic all+ |
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Speedplay
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Ok, I must admitt, I didnt take the blade in account. I also recommended some other paddles, that are all+. This rocket medium that you wright about, how fast is that compared to my current setup? Is is something to be considered for someone who looks for A LOT of speed? |
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Fraziel
Silver Member Joined: 11/27/2005 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 553 |
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when you look at the blades speed and control rating you should also take into account its class. the joyner hinoki does not have that much faster a top speed compared to the primorac but it will play a lot faster. the speed rating should be taken as more of a guide to a blades top speed and the class, off, off- etc is more of a guide to the way the blade plays, as well as speed. you should steer clear of off blades if you are a beginner. no coach anywhere in the world who has any idea about coaching tt would give an off blade to a beginner. its just ridiculous. the primorac off - has some things going for it over a lot of other blades. it has a very nice medium soft feeling giving lots of feedback which is ideal for a beginner. its speed when combined with something fast, like tibhar torpedo soft, is very zippy. more than enough for most decent players. combined with a slower rubber it still has speed and loads of control. the korbel will be too fast. yes it feels nice but if you play a powerful player, who hits hard, you will not be able to control it as a beginner. i play 3 times a week and i had difficulty controlling my alpha with thick sponge and its a bit slower than a korbel. remember that as a beginner, and an advanced beginner like me,the priority is consistency and keeping the ball on the table, its not about belting the ball past people. you mentioned a donic persson blade too. that one is an off-. i have tried it and it is very nice. faster than the primorac but not too fast. the donic persson power all round is also pretty good. its meant to be all+ but feel every bit like an off- to me. nice feel too. |
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Fraziel,
blade- tibhar samsonov alpha rubber, FH- palio cj8000 on canon 1.8 mm 40 sponge, BH- same |
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master-pong
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Rocket Medium is actually rather fast on Petr Korbel but not bryce/torpedo speed....more sriver L speed. If you are looking for A LOT of speed...don't go with this rubber...or get the thickest sponge! |
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SDRamones
Gold Member Joined: 11/12/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1470 |
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Out of those I like the Jonyer w/ AN handle and Korbel. Korbel and Jonyer because they have a good mix of control, feel and not too much speed for a beginner. I tried out the Prim 2000 and didn't like the thin feel it had and it was slower than all the blades above. Or at least felt like it. There's nothing wrong with the donic's but I prefer the BTY over them. Just preference, nothing against their quality, just a feel thing and I've had more expereience with BTY than Donic. |
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Schlager
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the petr korbel blade is the best among the mentioned... put on some sriver or mark v in 2.1 and your fine...
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Blade: Butterfly M. Maze Off ST
Rubbers: Bluefire M2 2.0 |
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Leeroy
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If you are thinking of Galaxy tere is the Galaxy U4 blade. Supposedly a clone of the Stiga Offensive Classic with WRB and CR. I also noticed for a little more there is the Galaxy U7 which I think would be more like the Stiga Clipper with WRB and CR. Pretty darn cheap and more than sufficient. If you were considering the 2 power play senso blades the only differece I think is that there is a weight in the handles in different positions. The speed one it is at the head of the handle and the control version it is at the base of the handle. I could be wrong about any other blade specifications but I think that is the only difference. Pretty much like Friendship SST system but you can switch the weight to suit with the SST system. The WRB system from Stiga is designed likewhat in that the weight transference is towards the top of the handle near the head and supposedly giving you more speed. It does make your strokes feel free and faster. Kinda like a loosener I like to think about it. With the weight at the bottom it makes it more stable, stiffer and hence the "control" tag... Be free or a stiff I think of it like . Control really is dependant on how your skills can handle it, regardless of what you use . The instinct is excellent because it is allready varnish sealed and at $16US it is very good. It is on the control side of Offensive. It is labelled "controlled attack". If you like to loop then the Galaxy U4 would be better cause it has more flex. The Instinct is better allround though and my preference choice for a beginner but both more than worthy and good enough. Both are sealed blades. Cole has got Galaxy U4 blade but don't know what he sells them for. Would be more expensive than Instinct but comes with that WRB system in the handle which I mentioned on... The Primorac I think is more flexy and faster than the above 2. If your gonna get the Primorac go with rubbers like Sriver or Mark V. You certainly can't go wrong there either. Either way you will need the skills to pay the bills . That is a classic quote I heard from JC on DTTW. Good luck and have fun. Enjoy the great game while working it out.
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BH: DHS H2 (orange) FH: DHS G666 or 729 40H German ESN http://www.myspace.com/leethedream |
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TT_Freak
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For a beginner, don't spend too much until you're committed. No feeling like splashing down $100 for something that you hate.
Blade:Instinct, W-6, U-4, Persson Powerplay. Rubbers:Cream/MRS, Sriver, Mark V, 729 FX, 999/Jap, F3. |
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ShakeSpin
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I agree with you. I got to play with a BTY Clearfield w/ Catapult yesterday and it was hard to control. I also felt it was a touch too heavy. I did like how the handle felt. It fit my hand better then my current preassembled BTY
Derek May. I would think the Petr Korbel might be perfect since it's a touch lighter and has more control. It's too difficult to find those Galaxy blades and I'm not sure about the Donic, so I might just go with a BTY and cheaper rubber to start. |
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