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mykonos96
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Now some pips are designed mostly for backhand like spectol, how is the control of S3? What is your setup?
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Sedis
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I find the S3 very 'precise', which gives me good control, however others might not feel the same.
I'm using an SDC, with pips on the Ash side of a Koto / A-C / Ayous / Kiri / Ayous / A-C / Ash combination blade
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mykonos96
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How does S3 behave when you block loops? Sink the balls into the net..you said the opponets have more trouble? They sank the blocks?
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Sedis
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A little, my opponent said they "had to lift the ball more" I would say S3 is very similar to Spectol Red & Blue, but with slightly more disruption to incoming spin at the expense of a bit of control in the short game, however the difference is small, so if you didn't like Spectol Blue, I doubt you would like S3
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mykonos96
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Thanks a lot .
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comodoensis
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Between S2 and S3, which one has the softest sponge?
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Sedis
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They are listed as being the same, but I measured them at 46 degrees Shore O for the S2 and 44 degrees for the S3. This is only from one sheet of each, so could be down to variation due to manufacturing tolerances.
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comodoensis
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Many thanks then I'll just have to wait until it's sold in shops around, and try it
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nathanso
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What is the best replacement for TSP SpinPips Blue?
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BBC, SP, LP
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kim_taek_soo
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The SpinPips series is pretty unique among Japanese short pips because all SpinPips topsheets are "cooked." Cooked (i.e., not translucent) topsheets are the norm for Chinese-made short pips but not Japanese-made and ESN short pips. If you want to replace SpinPips Blue, it probably makes sense to look at its successor, SpinPips D2, which is made in China. I'm sorry I can't really comment on D2 beyond that, as I haven't tried it yet.
Two short pips I have tried that feel similar to SpinPips Blue are Mizuno Booster SA and Yasaka Spinate. Both have strong emphasis on spin, but are not as fast and aggressive as VO>102, Impartial XS, and Rakza PO. Both Boster SA and Spinate have horizontally aligned trapezoidal pips, same as SpinPips Blue. In terms of sponge hardness, I think Spinate is close to SpinPips Blue. I remember Booster SA feeling harder. Another possible option is Tuttle Summer 3C, which has a cooked topsheet and good spin, but it's noticeably slower than Booster SA and Spinate. Hope you can find something you like
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mykonos96
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I m not sure if the S1 is like a boosted spectol or spectol 21?
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S1 = Regular Spectol S2 = Spectol with high tension sponge S3 = Spectol with taller pips, different sponge as well (might be spectol red sponge)
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Sorry, I have not tried the S1 either, so I can't compare it to the other Spectols. Victas markets it as an exact copy of the original Spectol, so I take that to mean no tension or factory booster/tuning. This makes sense considering the original Spectol (the one with the green and white package) is essentially the Sriver or Mark V of short pips. It's so successful, they would be stupid to ever stop selling it.
S2 and S3 are interesting, although I can't say I like either of them very much. S2 is indeed a high-tension Spectol. It keeps the same topsheet as the classic Spectol but the sponge is much springier. To me it feels uncontrollable, even on an all-wood blade. S3 is a slightly trickier/more deceptive version of Spectol. From what I can tell, the pips are not actually taller, but they are narrower (at least the tops are narrower, not sure about the bases) and there are more pips per square inch compared to the other Spectols. This gives more variety on passive shots (sometimes spin, sometimes dead ball) but it makes powerful hits and counters more difficult. A little more control than S2, but not much. I only tried them in 2.0 and 1.6, maybe MAX sponge would be a different story. |
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mog1111
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Any updates on the Spectol S1 or Spinpips D2?
I have just ordered a sheet of both in 2.0mm for bh. Been using kieler for 2 years but i want to go back to short pimples I think for a bit more attacking prospects!
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mykonos96
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How about the S1?
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mykonos96
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Somebody has tried S1 if it plays the same as old spectol?
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Tested S1 in 1.6mm and it is extremely similar to TSP Spectol besides the thickness. Maybe softer in feel but not as much as TSP Spectol 21 (which is my favorite of all the Spectol) (btw, I chop with Spectol 21 on BH). For those looking for info about S1, S2 and S3, I found this article and compares it to the original Spectol (TSP 20082): Edited by ludo - 09/25/2022 at 3:55pm |
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Sedis
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I've purchased a couple of sheets of S3 in blue, which has just been released. I've only seen it for sale at Iruiru so far.
The top sheet has a more matt/cooked appearance than the sheets I have in red. After using it for a few weeks, I'm convinced it plays closer to the TSP Spectol Red I used to use than the S3 in red does.
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mykonos96
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I never had sucess playing with red maybe because I played on FH. I like better spectol Blue but I think many want the old spectol but S1 is not the same as old spectol.
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AcudaDave
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Tried S3...it was very fast and had a sinking effect, but it was not easy to play with for me. I use short pips on FH, so gave the rubber to a friend of mine that uses it on his BH. He plays well with it, and it is definitely more deceptive than some other short pips.
I have played with Victas 102 many times over the years, and decided to order another sheet recently. This time I ordered 2.0 instead of 1.8 and I don't know if they have changed anything or not, but this rubber curled up out of the package more than any I've ordered before. This rubber also is louder than any short pipts I've played with. It definitely has a sound like it's been speed-glued. It's softer than I remember, but I like it so I'll use it for now. I suspect Spectol Red and Blue made it to the Victas "S" series. I didn't care for Red or Blue nor S3. It's pretty hard to beat Victas 102 if you want a good pips out for attacking and spin. If something for BH that is a little stranger then try S3.
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Dont you find 102 2mm harder for blocking? Have you tried Tibhars speedy soft xd dtects?
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AcudaDave
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Yes. I’ve tried Tibhars speedy dtecs and didn’t like it at all. Don’t remember exactly why, but I didn’t like them at all. They were fast and as I seem to recall they had a high throw angle. I block with 102 pretty good, especially in 2.0
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Does Victas make a rubber that plays similar to TSP Super Spin Pips 21 ?
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mykonos96
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D1 must be similar to SSP21 but they say that S1 is the same as old spectol that I m sure its not true.
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I've tried more than my share of short pips on my forehand. SSP21 seems to have the perfect balance, and has a good sink effect.
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Anybody tried Firestorm green ?
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