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 Topic: Most successful European players vs. ChinesePosted: 07/10/2023 at 7:50am |
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China has been dominating table tennis scenery for a long time. However, there have been plenty of periods of European dominance as well. In this video, we look at one of the statistical aspects of the World Championships history. Which European player has won the most games against the Chinese at the World Championships? |
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zzzuppp
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Posted: 07/17/2023 at 2:47pm |
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Samsonov's four wins against Chinese were all achieved in the MS at the Manchester Worlds in 1997 , taking out Ma Lin, Wang Liqin, Ding Song and Kong Linghui in successive rounds (before being beaten by Waldner in the Final). That's a really impressive run. He only dropped two games.
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NextLevel
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Posted: 07/17/2023 at 7:14pm |
A bit unfortunate when your peak is so early.
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NextLevel
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Posted: 07/17/2023 at 7:16pm |
Great video, it helps put Waldner and Persson in context and to some degree Boll and Dima as well.
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Baal
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Posted: 07/17/2023 at 9:17pm |
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The ages of European dominance of TT? Sort of reminds me of the Roman Empire. It's something we like to talk and read about, it had influence on the way things are now, and it happened a really long time ago.
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zeio
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Posted: 07/18/2023 at 9:40am |
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WTTC 1983 MT F Waldner 1-2 Jiang Jialiang, Waldner 0-2 Cai Zhenhua | MS R16 Waldner 0-3 Wang Huiyuan | MD R16 Waldner/Lindh 2-3 Wang Huiyuan/Yang Yuhua | XD R16 Waldner/Eliasson 0-3 Fan Changmao/Shen Jianping WTTC 1985 MT F Waldner 1-2 Chen Longcan, Waldner 1-2 Chen Xinhua | MS R32 | MD R64 WTTC 1987 MT F Waldner did not play due to stomach flu | MS QF Waldner 3-0 Chen Longcan, SF Waldner 3-0 Teng Yi, F Waldner 1-3 Jiang Jialiang | MD R32 WTTC 1989 MT F Waldner 2-1 Teng Yi, Waldner 2-1 Jiang Jialiang | MS R16-F Waldner did not meet any CNT players | MD R16 Waldner/Appelgren 0-2 Teng Yi/Hui Jun WTTC 1991 MT F SWE 3-2 YUG, Waldner 0-2 Primorac, 2-0 Kalinic (FYI, QF CHN 2-3 TCH) | MS SF Waldner 3-1 Ma Wenge | MD R16 Waldner/Appelgren 1-2 Wang Tao/Lu Lin WTTC 1993 MT F Waldner 1-2 Ma Wenge, Waldner 2-1 Wang Hao (1966) | MS SF Waldner 0-3 JM Saive | MD QF Waldner/Appelgren 2-3 YNK/KTS WTTC 1995 MT F Waldner 2-0 Wang Tao, Waldner 2-1 Ma Wenge | MS R16 Waldner 2-3 LGL | MD QF Waldner/Persson 1-3 Gatien/Eloi WTTC 1997 MT QF Waldner 2-0 KLH | MS SF Waldner 3-0 Yan Sen | MD F w/ Persson 2-3 KLH/LGL WTTC 1999 MS QF Waldner 3-2 KLH, SF Waldner 2-3 MLin | MD R32 WTTC 2000 MT F Waldner 2-1 LGL, Waldner 0-2 KLH WTTC 2001 MT SF SWE 1-3 BEL, Waldner 2-1 JM Saive | MS R16 | MD R64 WTTC 2003 MS R128 Waldner 3-4 Konstantinos Papageorgiou (Waldner had just recovered from a serious leg injury) WTTC 2004 MT (unique stage 2 format) A2-B2 SWE 0-3 KOR (Waldner did not play throughout the entire tournament) WTTC 2005 MS R32 Waldner 0-4 Samsonov | MD R32 Waldner/Persson WTTC 2006 MT Grp SWE 0-3 CHN (Waldner did not play), R16 SWE 1-3 RUS, Waldner 2-3 Smirnov 七�£中国名将打造乒坛老瓦神话-搜狐体育 https://sports.sohu.com/s2005/0488/s225425323.shtml Boll WTTC 1997 MS R128 Boll 1-3 Korbel | MD R32 | XD R128 WTTC 1999 MS R32 Boll 1-3 KTS | MD R32 | XD R16 WTTC 2000 MT QF Boll 1-2 Waldner WTTC 2001 MT QF Boll 2-0 WLQ | MS R32 Boll 3-2 Zhan Jian (before representing SGP), R16 Boll 0-3 Chiang Peng-Lung | XD R32 WTTC 2003 MS R64 Boll 2-4 Qiu Yike | MD R16 Boll/Fejer-Konnerth 1-4 WLQ/Yan Sen WTTC 2004 MT (unique stage 2 format) A1-B1 Boll 1-3 MLin, F Boll 0-3 WH WTTC 2005 MS R16 Boll 3-4 Liu Guozheng | MD SF Boll/Suss 4-1 MLin/CQ, F Boll/Suss 1-4 WH/KLH WTTC 2006 MT SF Boll 3-2 MLin, Boll 2-3 WLQ WTTC 2007 MS QF Boll 0-4 RSM | MD QF Boll/Suss 2-4 Chang Yen-Shu/Chiang Peng-Lung WTTC 2008 Did not play due to injury WTTC 2009 Did not play due to injury WTTC 2010 MT F Boll 3-2 ML, Boll 1-3 MLin WTTC 2011 MS QF Boll 4-1 CQ, SF Boll 1-4 ZJK WTTC 2012 MT F Boll 2-3 ZJK WTTC 2013 MS QF Boll 2-4 ML WTTC 2014 MT F Boll 0-3 ML WTTC 2015 MS QF Boll 2-4 FZD | MD R32 Boll/ML 2-4 XX/ZJK WTTC 2016 MT Grp Boll 0-3 Lebesson, 2-3 Gauzy WTTC 2017 MS QF Boll 2-4 ML | MD R16 Boll/ML 1-4 FZD/XX WTTC 2018 MT F Boll 0-3 ML WTTC 2019 MS R16 Boll 0-4 W/O JWJ (withdrew due to injury) | MD QF Boll/Franziska W/O 0-4 Apolonia/Monteiro (withdrew due to injury) WTTC 2020 Not held due to COVID-19 WTTC 2021 MS R64 Boll 4-1 ZQH, SF Boll 2-4 Moregard | MD R32 Boll/Franziska 0-3 FZD/WCQ WTTC 2022 Did not play due to COVID-19 restrictions WTTC 2023 Did not play due to injury Edited by zeio - 07/19/2023 at 12:25am |
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+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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Posted: 07/18/2023 at 11:25am |
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The ball was always not round enough or outright broken.
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zeio
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Posted: 07/18/2023 at 1:44pm |
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Waldner managed to beat at least 1 CNT player between 1987-2000, that is 8 WTTC consecutively (2 CNT players at '87, '89, '95 and '97).
The notion that China was weaker during that era should be put to rest now. |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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mykonos96
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Posted: 07/19/2023 at 9:36pm |
China was so weak in 1991 that they couldnt reach the final , almost all players were fired.
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Simon_plays
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Posted: 07/21/2023 at 4:07am |
That is an amazing statistic. To put it in hyperbolic form: Waldner dominated Chinese players at the World Championships over 3 decades!
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zeio
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Posted: 07/21/2023 at 7:28am |
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Another way to look at the stats is the number of times the said player has played against China.
Waldner WTTC 1983-2000 12/22=54.5% Boll WTTC 2001-2021 6/19=31.6% |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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Simon_plays
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Posted: 07/21/2023 at 7:53am |
Making Boll the second most successful player against the CNT in living memory.
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