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varghesep
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I took a video of some of my shots. The video is in Windows Media format, and is 8 minutes. You need Windows Media Player to play the video. Please download from http://www.mediamax.com/tabletennis/Hosted/VP%20Table%20Tennis.wmv After you watch the video: 1. Please help me correcting my mistakes. 2. I weigh 220 lbs, is the weight contributing a problem to my stroke and footwork? 3. How can I make the shots low? 4. Is my grip correct at Forehand? I think it is semi open. 5. How can I improve my serves? I USE TACKIFIRE DRIVE ON THE FH and LONG PIMPLES ON THE BH. THE BLADE IS JOO SE HYUK BUTTERFLY. |
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*JC*
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Hello
I just watched your video. Wow, do you really use Bryce on a Schlager carbon? THats a pretty fast setup. I would recomend a coach, to help improve your game, as there is only so much internet advice can do. ( eg we cant show you things ) Im not really qualified to give advice, but i will make a few suggestions, if anyone wishes to correct me, please do so. 1: Standing upright. You need to crouch down a bit more ( this will probally be very tiring - but will build up your leg muscles - mainly upper theighs ) 2: when you do your FH stroke, you seem to start up high, then bring your bat down below the ball, then stroke accross it. This is not really nessary and takes up a lot of time. Instead, you could bring your bat back and down from your ready position, and then stroke forwards and upwards - and end your stroke with your bad by your head ( instead of accross your body ) i think these are probally 2 main ones. As for your service, it looks like your getting good spin. How ever, its the same side under that everyone has come to expect almost. Maybe you could improve it by serving to a different location on the table. ______ Also - if i can offer a little tip for making the videos. Your intro and outro dont need to be 20+ seconds. People can pause to read the text, and it adds to the file size. |
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Jon2378
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Yes, i agree with JC, that setup is a bit fast (too fast for most people). With your backhand topspin, you should have a longer motion. At the moment its a short, sortof "jabby" motion. You should use more forearm, and have a bigger stroke. And start the BH topspin to the left a bit more. The technique on your BH chop was fairly good, and your serves also seem good. Staying down lower is important (you have to wear shoes, as you will need the support and grip). in regards to your FH, you seem to have fairly good timing and a good feel for the ball. However after your motion, you drop your bat down, sortof going "around" the ball. It should be one movement, forwards and upwards (instead of a forwards/upwards movement, then a downwards one). I would reccomend getting a coach, in fact every table tennis player wanting to imporve their game really should try to get a coach. Watching coaching videos (links can be found by searching this site) is also very helpful. |
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varghesep
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Thanks guys for the advises. I just thought to quickly reply before reading all of your posts. Here are some mistakes I did in the video. The introduction text is little long - sorry for that. I don't use bryze. I use tackiefire drive on the forehand, and the long pimples on the backhand. |
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sunflex
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yeah the black rubber makes a specific ''tok''.
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chops
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Your serves seems a little bit long - long serves is also good, but they should be more varied. Train serving shorter and more varied.
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varghesep
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What is the tip to make a server short or long? Is it the speed we use to hit the ball, or the location on the table we hit the ball to reboud.
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alfie
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to much wasted upper body movement,the BH chops seem very good I think it's your best asset but FH needs a bit of work.Crouch down more and try doing the same motion consistantly as at the moment your upper body is all over the place,on the FH against topspin you seem to be sending everything long because your blade is not closed enough,block with BH topspin has to much wrist and not enough of a closed angle what your doing is just turning the ball over (can't generate any power like that) instead of going at an angle and through the ball. Your serves seem OK but with that grip it's hard to get a lot of spin try a search of the word pendelum and you will find some answers on how to get consistant spinny serves that can be disguised. Note as far as your grip goes you may want to put your thumb on the rubber as it gives more control of the blade angles in other words choke down on the handle a bit more |
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kollins
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awesome video and good on you for posting.
a few constructive critisms dont develop the habit of just "watching" your serves. if you serve forehand from your backhand corner, you need to get back in to position as fast a possible. also, if you use your forehand rubber to do a backhand serve, make sure to practie twidling the blade back right after you serve. again, its just a really good habit. you didnt do either in the video. youve got great fundmentals, you should probably get a coach and perfect them. your style (mine is similar) is very very hard because of the footwork involved. your footwork is going to make or break your games. what do I mean by footwork. I mean, youre half defending. You are literally on the "run" from your opponents offense. youve got to be QUICK. (Its also a great workout!) I would still suggest you learn the all around/offensive basics before using long pips. trust me, you can still do everything with the inverted too. The modern defender will attack when the time is right but to miss an attack as a defender is shamefull. DONT DO IT. once youve gotten all around technic then you can learn to master pips. you'll have a few more advantages when you do because of your inverted training (and you lose some too) (ps, how rich are you!!!! youve got a robot, a nice house, very $$$ setups, a video camera with video editing software.) |
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varghesep
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Thanks guys for the tips. kollins, I'm not rich. Just doing the stuff because of the passion. I rented most of the equipments, but I know some multimedia works. I used inverted rubber for long (6 months continuous) before I moved to the long PIMPs. I developed the chopping with blades like tackifire, but LP really helps me. I don't think LP has helped me in any other areas. In some way I'm crippled in my BH because I used to do BH side spin which was the best weapon I used to have. Alfie found some valid problems of my shots. You are right, on the FH the blade is open. Also I have heavy upper body movements. I will correct those. I used to have my thumb on the rubber on my previous small blade. The one I'm using now Joo Se Hyuk semi-wide classic grip, I'm not getting a feel of the rubber. |
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mcuba
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wow,, u need a whole make over, r u serious in table tennis? ur stance(footing on fh) is wrong not to mention grip, motion n timing... no wrist movement at all on fh for beginners.. if u r really serious u sd get a coach rathen than spending on rental...one can be a decent players with a wrong techniques with a rapid repeted practices but stuck at a level..... just my tot... no offence...hope its contructive |
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ryu seungminfan
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hmmm........ you're standing too straight, your bat is open up too much, close it a bit more. i noticed your legs, your right leg is in front of your left. that should be the way. your left leg should be in front. you are just pratically hitting the ball over the net. your ball is just TOO HIGH!!! those shots are just for opponent to whack it back. open up your arm more. seems quite 'chicken wing' to me. arm that are so close, pratically can't produce much power. open your arm more. and u seem to be on your heels a lot of the times. you should be on your toes. you hit up the ball too much, causing it to go up high. close your bat more, your arm should go forward instead of up. also, use your body more. use your legs more. body and legs are the key to a good and fast loop. rotate your body as much as possible, and kick your legs forward more. something like pushing your whole body forward. you're too tensed. relax your whole body, hand going forward, body rotating, and legs pushing forward. and stand on your toes, and bend your knees more. omg. you just hitting the ball forward. no spin. no power.= opponent chance ball. ok nvm. remember this points. and about your chops i'm sorry i can't tell much i'm not a chopper and don't know much about chopping. but from what i see your ball are getting too high!!! i can't give any tips on chopping sorry. ok practice practice and practice. oh and like what mcuba said if you can get a coach. we can give you tips, but that's not much help compared to getting a coach. ps pls wear shoes next time(sorry if you're offended) |
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alfie
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but apart from that everything else is perfect |
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GenomicsKnight
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First of all, great video work. To make a serve short you usually start by making the first bounce closer to your baseline and grazing the ball more than hitting through. You can also add more spin to your serve by snapping your wrist more in addition to your usual arm movement. Once you get more used to it, then you can add variations by contacting the ball closer to the tip of your blade, center, or closer to the base/handle. This way the same amount of arm movement and wrist action will give you serves with different amount of spin and speed. |
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mcuba
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alfie by saying that it shows u r also a beginner.... get a coach |
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shij421
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GenomicsKnight I disagree with the bouncing closer to your own baseline part. To have a short serve, the ball should be contacted so that the spin is accentuated and the forward hit motion reduced, as you've mentioned. THe first bounce then should be closer to the net, and the successful bounces will be gradually shorter and lower. |
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*JC*
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and mcuba, by saying that is shows u r also an asshole....or d lol ghost.....one or the other |
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fatcomet
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and jc by saying that it shows tha.... hmm...you're standing too time paradox etc |
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standing too? PS: M-M-M-MULTI-QUOTE |
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mcuba
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i m an asshole? jc u forgot that i lost my sence of humor? n i remember how u argued that coach is not neccesary...lol .. yes i m d lol ghost.... maybe thats funny at dttw but lol not here.....
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*JC*
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lurk the f**k more, lol ghost
varghesep has taken the time and effort to make a video so he can get some help. This is despite him feeling a bit worryed about his weight, and knowing that he needs help with a few things. Imho that shows he is very dedicated to improving and loves this sport. my hat truly goes off to him. and i also think a few other people who contributed to this thread have done a pretty good job. There has been very few put downs ( which is rare for mytt.net/dttw as of late ) and quite a lot of helpful advice. comments such as "wow,, u need a whole make over, r u serious in table tennis? ur stance(footing on fh) is wrong not to mention grip, motion n timing... no wrist movement at all on fh for beginners.." and "alfie by saying that it shows u r also a beginner.... get a coach" are really only the negitive points in this thread. also, i believe alfie was saying what he said with a bit of humor - so lay off him. edit: obvious spelling mistakes |
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GantZ
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Is the video file still there? I am not able to download from the link.
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alfie
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mcuba I said this (but apart from that everything else is perfect) because the poster basically said everything was wrong with his game,my words were a joke not aimed at the original poster but at ryu seungminfan.I guess my humor does not come across on the net very well
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varghesep
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I noticed that the mediamax where I uploaded the video first has blocked further access because of the large number of downloads. I have put the video on YouTube now. The link is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuOHDpCKt4Q |
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varghesep
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First of all, thanks guys for the valuable feedback. I have noted all the feedback, and is improving. I have started playing seriously from this year april only, that is also with good rated players. I was a classic defensive player, and turning to modern classic defensive player. Thats the reason I put out the video to improve my forehands and other shots. I have beat players rated above 1500, and has given tough fight to attackers with my defensive (chops and FH push) style. Thats not where I want to go in the end. I want to be a modern defensive player where I can drive, loop and smash. I agree with all of you that I need coaching. I will do that after month, at the same time post your valuable advises. This will also help other people.
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ryu seungminfan
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good luck man!!! all the best to you
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varghesep
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I made the video public. You would be able to see it now.
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mcuba
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serious table tennis need good basic to start with ..once one had developed bad habits its dificult to change... that my advice.. i dont offer sweets to make someone happy... didnt meant to offence but offer my honest findings..... i can choose to say : keep up d good work, or choose not to comment... but i choosed to tell u d truth and d solution i.e get a choach. there no point beating a higher rating player now but stuck at a level .... but some moderator in another forum thinks otherwise n worst he thinks only his tot is valid and just add humor(jokes) in a forum... when i said u need a whole make over....i m serious.... u will appreciate that when u have learned n master it later(if u really lerned) not making joke at all....not even smiling.... dont like to offen n be offended especially by some mederator in another forum.....lol.... will topspin his nose if ever meet....lol. good luck.... i m in no mood to argue.... just lol
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Well Varghesep. I have a few suggestions for your play. First, you should croach down more. When you do the forehand topspin, you seem to be moving your racket from side to side, instead of from back to out. Try to meet the ball hitting it forward, not brushing the edges. Also, try to close up the paddle a little, and hit the ball a little earlier, as you are letting it get too high before hitting it. I did not get to watch the whole video yet, I will now. But hope this helps for now.
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Personal threats. Now now children. Is there really a need to resort to that?
I dont know who that moderator is, but im sure, where ever he is, he is sh*tting bricks. |
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