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chops
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Posted: 11/24/2006 at 9:35am |
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Hello People
I can see that my current rubbers are starting to wearing out and it's time to change them. My current setup: Blade: Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon FH: Tibhar Torpedo (max) BH: Butterfly Catapult (max) I have always wanted to try playing with chinese euipment, but I don't know how the change would be. I had thinked about this setup: Blade: Stiga Energy Wood WRB FH: DHS Skyline 3 (2.2) BH: DHS Skyline 3 (2.2) What would be different? |
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the speed and the spin duhh
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transmed999
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Hi Chops, Chinese rubbers are generally less bouncier than japanese/european rubbers. I find they are good for a more "horizontal style" forehand looping game. I find it's easier to counter loop in heavy topspin rallies. It's easier to loop a heavy back spin chop with a forward and horizontal action. With Japanese/European rubbers you tend to need to loop with a more upward motion to counter the heavy spin. With the Chinese rubbers i find it's relatively easier to drop the ball short over the net when receiving service (b'cos it's less bouncier). Chinese rubbers are generally a little more heavier than Japanese/European rubbers. Personally, I would be only using the DHS Skyline on the forehand and stick with your Butterfly Catapult on the backhand b'cos of two reasons: 1) With skyline on both sides you will probably find the overall weight of the blade to be quite alot heavy 2) with the Skyline on the backhand "punching" the ball will require a little more effort compared to the catapult - if you like to punch your backhand then the Skyline may not be suitable. What you will find is that the top chinese players tend to use a Chinese rubber (H2, H3, Skyline etc) on their forehand and a japanese/european rubber on the backhand as their setup eg. Wang Liqin, Ma Lin, Wang Hao, Kong Linghui, Liu Gioulang (when he was playing). I am currently using the Stiga Clipper CR blade with the H3 on the forehand and the Joola Tango on the backhand and find this combo quite good. I have tried the H3 on both sides and find the setup too heavy and it did not suit my backhand b'cos i like to punch my backhand as well as loop (the tango allows me to do both relatively more easier). Hope the comments help. |
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chops
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Thanks for your reply transmed999
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ryu seungminfan
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what's your style? chops
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blade:kokutaku super
rubber:xiom omega 3 right hander nothing without labour |
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chops
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I think I play a little bit vario offensive. I like a game with a lot of tempo. In a typical loopduel I like to finish it with a hard smash or some loopdrive with my forehand or backhand. I prefer both.
My defensive game is a little bit more connected with my oppenents serve. If he serves short I play passive and wait for the right momement to open. But typically I fail if he is sending the ball short over all the time, I think I get a little bit frustrated. Service is also a very important thing for my game. I almost only serve with my forehand. I try to serve varied: The amount of spin, which spin it is, the speed and the lenght of the serve (short or long) Hmm I think I have got it all, hope it is good enough. |
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waldiii
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don't waste your money. chines rubbers can not be compared against japans equipment.
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wfwfitz
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You wont find any chinese with the speed of glued up Torpedo but the new non sticky softer sponge versions like Skyline, Focus, Inspirit and Saviga are quite fast and spinny. They are also lighter than Torpedo.
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Wfwfitz
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7homuz
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i wonder why the japanese aren't beating the chinese |
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chinamike
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I'm using the energy wood right now with mark v on FH and mendo energy on BH... I find it quite slow, but at the same time.. I've only been playing a few years (with that set-up) and would consider myself at an intermediate level... I am actually looking to change to your current set-up... have you tried the ma lin with the H3s on both sides? let me know... thanks..
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7homuz
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h3 would be slower tehn mark v on most strokes without glue
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waldiii
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That is not because of equipment quality. It is for player's quality. As you now the most famous players in china are plying with Japanese equipments.
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wkhz
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That's not really true. Almost all top Chinese players use Chinese rubbers on FH, and a lot of them use Japanese rubbers on BH.
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pingpongkf
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I like to hear you mention a few of them ..... |
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TT EQUIPMENTS: Nittaku, Butterfly, Stiga, Yasaka, Galaxy YinHe, DHS, Friendship, Globe. |
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7homuz
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i'll believe ya when i see proof
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ryu seungminfan
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zhang yining. haha. wang is using nodias on his backhand.
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blade:kokutaku super
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7homuz
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many of the chnz pros uses bty rubbers on bh as a matter of fact. and most use chnz rubber on fh. you can't say one rubber type is better then another. that was my point
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chops
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Greetings
Anyone know how much stiga energy wood + hurricane 3 (2.2) + Sriver EL (2.1) would weight about? |
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ttman
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sorta of heavy that is the combo i have now except its sriver L max on the bh, i have a energy wood if you want to buy it with h3 national ill give a good price pm me
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powerplay.de
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it depends. Energy wood varies from 80g to 95g. My old H3 was 46g (quite light version)cutted to Primorac Carbon. Sriver EL 2.1 is average 40g - 44g cutted. So the overall weight is between 165g to 190g (worst case). |
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cole_ely
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Sounds about rigtht. I'd say 180g +/- 5g with a 90% confidence interval. |
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ttkenny
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I agree with most of the comments posted about Chinese rubbers. I used to use Chinese rubber all the time and these are the observed characteristics. Chinese rubber tends to be be more tacky surface and less bouncy. It is good for serves and the flat hitting/horizontal attack game. The ball travels back very differently from Jap rubbers that tend to arch more. Many upper level players that I have played normally use Japanese rubbers whereas the lower level players use Chinese rubbers (just an observation so don't start a dispute on this). I do notice that some of the players that use higher quality chinese rubbers like H3 give those players a much harder time due to the different trajectory that the Chinese rubbers provide on the return attack and counterloops. Chinese rubbers, due to the tacky surface (most but not all Chinese rubbers), make this "cracking" sound when hit hard or medium speed (more like clunking sound). Chinese rubber is almost always cheaper and the quality control and consistency of the rubbers are questionable so you may or may not get the same type of play with the identical type of rubber and sponge (for the exception of the national and provincal versions). As of late, the Chinese rubbers have "gotten with the program" and stepped up the quality of the rubbers and are getting closer to matching the Japanese rubbers but the consistency still have not been resolved. This may be due to the fact that there are many "fake" and "imitation" versions floating around as well. I am currently using Butterfly rubber due to consistency but am looking at trying the newer Chinese rubbers to see if they in fact have improved in quality and consistency due to the lower prices. Just my 2 cents.
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ryu seungminfan
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most beginners start with chinese rubber cause chinese rubber are easier to control.
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blade:kokutaku super
rubber:xiom omega 3 right hander nothing without labour |
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ttkenny
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Also because it is cheaper. Chinese rubber should be a good beginner's rubber due to price. Agreed that control is good for starters.
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Kenny
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cole_ely
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Yeah, but I would tell a beginner to avoid the standard tacky types until they get proficient at reading spin.
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