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It was said that Acoustic is a improved violin. But the wood structure is totally different. Acoustic does not have ash top layer, right?
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Acoustic has limba outer, Violin has White Ash outer.
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

wow you are not kidding are you? Big smile congrats on the hide glue experiment. 
are you in blade production mode? yay, you can do it! let's see who comes first, you or jpenmaster Tongue[...]

Not kidding, but I'm not planning to build my own blades. I just want to know the truth about Violins and hide glue.
It would be safer to start with Violin Carbon (the carbon layers are most certainly not glued with hide glue, as it does not stick to composite fibres), but there's a chance that the intermediate layers are glued to the core with hide glue, so I won't do this to my Violin Carbon either... at least not before I have finished testing it. LOL
But if I tried, and it resisted heating up to 55-60C, we would still not know whether the original Violin is glued with hide glue. But at least the VC would not have been harmed.
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What best rubber for violin blade? I am an offensive player
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Originally posted by sanwei2018 sanwei2018 wrote:

What best rubber for violin blade? I am an offensive player
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We found out that fastarc P1 makes a perfect match with Violin.
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What is good backhand rubber for Acoustic Carbon Inner? 
I will put Hurricane Pro3 Turbo Orange as FH... should I wait for Omega VII pro (what I read it is lightweight) to balance it
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best to ask a chemist-friend (if available) to run mass spectrometry analysis on a piece of blade. the approach should be able to detect if animal collagen is present (likely component in hide glue). it may even tell you the type of animal that was used.
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Originally posted by Halon X Halon X wrote:

What is good backhand rubber for Acoustic Carbon Inner? 
I will put Hurricane Pro3 Turbo Orange as FH... should I wait for Omega VII pro (what I read it is lightweight) to balance it


I have OV:T on mine. That worked well on my normal acoustic. 

I got an AC Inner like you on the black friday sales in late november, same OV:T but I was overseas for a month and a half so i didnt get to use it, and did my ankle ligaments coming back. Will try remember to post how I find it when I do get better in the next 6-7 weeks (hopefully!)



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Originally posted by Dream1700 Dream1700 wrote:

best to ask a chemist-friend (if available) to run mass spectrometry analysis on a piece of blade. the approach should be able to detect if animal collagen is present (likely component in hide glue). it may even tell you the type of animal that was used.

Hm, not sure how mass spectrometery works in practice, but I suppose this would still involve sacrificing at least part of a blade to extract a sample of the glue. If not, I'd gladly ship a Violin to someone with an available "chemist-friend".
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I think with plastic balls, both of these blades were overshadowed as pros that used Acoustic / other all-wood started moving to composites (like Carbonado 45 or Viscaria) to get some added pace.

However, the arrival of these new generation of rubbers with ultramax sponges have changed  that. I have tried playing with a few of these and you get crazy large arcs with long trajectories (as if I had dipped my blade into a bucket of speed glue before playing).

Now, I think a great combination for some to try would be Acoustic or Violin with one of these rubbers in ultramax thickness (Xiom Omega 7 pro / europe, Joola Rhyzer 48, Tibhar Aurus Prime, Donic Bluestorm Z1 / Z2, Rasanter R47 ultramax). You get same speed as with composite and old-style max (2.1mm) but with new crazy spin and better feel.
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I think a lot of pros moved to using 7-ply blades of the clipper class, than composites.

Definitely that class of blades is most suited for the plastic ball.
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For the current trend of close table play, Violin is becoming very suitable.

Acoustic is just another 5 ply wood blade, but violin is special. It's low and somehow flat curve can cause trouble for return. And violin can create heavy backspin in serves.
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Use hard rubber with a flexible blade such as the Violin, per 

EmRatThich, among others

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I think a lot of pros moved to using 7-ply blades of the clipper class, than composites.

Definitely that class of blades is most suited for the plastic ball.

I'm not sure of the meaning of these statements.  What are the playing attributes of "7-ply blades of the clipper class" that are implicit in the statement?  Among my many challenges, I have always been hesitant to claim an understanding of the "plies-to-playing characteristics" principles that are often used as descriptive reference frames.

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hi I'm kind of reviving the thread 
I play with a violin but I don't like my current BH rubber at all ( yasaka rakza 7) but I really liked the acuda S2 on my coach bat (off + wood)
So I'm thinking of putting a Victas V>01 Limber ( or any other medium to low throw rubber with a 40-43° sponge).
Is it a sin to put a softer rubber on a flexible blade ? 
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Originally posted by max vdh max vdh wrote:

hi I'm kind of reviving the thread 
I play with a violin but I don't like my current BH rubber at all ( yasaka rakza 7) but I really liked the acuda S2 on my coach bat (off + wood)
So I'm thinking of putting a Victas V>01 Limber ( or any other medium to low throw rubber with a 40-43° sponge).
Is it a sin to put a softer rubber on a flexible blade ? 

It isn't. Emmanuel Lebesson would have told you so, too, since he even won 2016 European Men's Singles Championship with Tibhar E. Lebesson blade and Tibhar Evolution FX-P rubbers.

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Originally posted by Ray Ray wrote:

Originally posted by max vdh max vdh wrote:

hi I'm kind of reviving the thread 
I play with a violin but I don't like my current BH rubber at all ( yasaka rakza 7) but I really liked the acuda S2 on my coach bat (off + wood)
So I'm thinking of putting a Victas V>01 Limber ( or any other medium to low throw rubber with a 40-43° sponge).
Is it a sin to put a softer rubber on a flexible blade ? 

It isn't. Emmanuel Lebesson would have told you so, too, since he even won 2016 European Men's Singles Championship with Tibhar E. Lebesson blade and Tibhar Evolution FX-P rubbers.


Got it, learn to serve like lebesson. 


In seriousness, if you have the money or think it'll work for you, you need to try these things..

Im still confused as to how i started having 0 feeling and negative consistency when i changed from omega 4 something, to sigma 2 pro.

Then i changed to mxp after giving it a couple of sorry months woth the sigma, and from the first shot i had the grin back, even though it was on a mates blade and setup. 

The sigma 2 pro and mxp aren't that dissimilar in their objectives if im not mistaken, yet that made all the difference. 

Another anecdote is even changing from acoustic normal handle, to acoustic lg handle with carbon inner, was a boon too. Again, small difference, but noticeable and more optimal by a chunk
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My favorite rubber with the Violin on the bh is the Andro Rasanter R47, that rubber gets tamed a bit after a month, it becomes so predictable and a bit dull on the violin which makes the bh very stable and reliable. Since the R47 can be bought for under $33 with the discount programs here and there, I bet you can find some that are 2 months old for $15 and that IMO would be a smart way to spend money. I'd be curious to know your position on that violin/R47 match.
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Wouldn't the R47 feel about the same as rakza 7 or even faster ?
My current issue with rakza 7 is that it is too hard for my BH ( perfectly suits my FH though) .It isn't forgiving enough for my level, I either go to the net on little strokes or fly off the table on higher speed strokes. I went from 850 points to 1200 in a season but that still makes me only an intermediate level at most and I play at a local club with 1 training session a week, thus I can't have tons of coaching to fix my bad BH technique. I can go for top spin to top spin rallies on the FH side but I'd rather loop near the table and mid-distance and control with my BH until I get a better game sense. Right now I'm not worried about lack of power, bottoming out or my agressive serve return being punished for being too weak since my opponent can't punish me hard enough at this level.
Could you recommand me something a little more adapted to my level ? 
Otherwise I think I'll go with Ray's advice
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Hello,

I have a slow arm pull, 
so I'm playing rubbers around 42-5 degrees.
Is a Joola Rhyzm 425 or Tech too soft for the violin? or would it work?
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hello everyone!

So I currently have two Acoustics (C-Pen):
1. 88g FH: DHS Skyline TG2 Neo, BH: DHS Skyline 3-60
Total weight: 191g 

2. 88g FH: DHS Skyline TG2 Provincial (BS), DHS Hurricane 3-50
Total weight: 191g

Previously I was using Nittaku H3PTO and G1 which weighed 202g. 

I’ve always been intrigued about the Violin but just never but the bullet. I was hoping to read it was even more flexible than Acoustic but that doesn’t seem to be the case. 

I almost did it when I damaged my first acoustic, but as a tournament was coming up I didn’t want to change too much- hence the really similar set ups...

So far, I’m loving the acoustic as my main and back up set up! With the Chinese rubber set-up, it’s a very controlled spinny pairing. I really can’t imagine anything else with better feel... which is why I really need to find someone to let me try their Violin (C.Pen) with Chinese rubbers!
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Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

I think with plastic balls, both of these blades were overshadowed as pros that used Acoustic / other all-wood started moving to composites (like Carbonado 45 or Viscaria) to get some added pace.

However, the arrival of these new generation of rubbers with ultramax sponges have changed  that. I have tried playing with a few of these and you get crazy large arcs with long trajectories (as if I had dipped my blade into a bucket of speed glue before playing).

Now, I think a great combination for some to try would be Acoustic or Violin with one of these rubbers in ultramax thickness (Xiom Omega 7 pro / europe, Joola Rhyzer 48, Tibhar Aurus Prime, Donic Bluestorm Z1 / Z2, Rasanter R47 ultramax). You get same speed as with composite and old-style max (2.1mm) but with new crazy spin and better feel.

I slapped R53 max thickness on Acoustic with D05 max thickness (boosted with one layer of FTL) on the other side. The speed of R53 and the spin it generates is insane. I've only had one training session with my coach so far but I can already tell the potential of this rubber. I've tried several rubbers in the past on Acoustic (Rakza 7, G1, H3 prov blue sponge boosted), but I've never seen a ball shoots off my Acoustic at such a speed. Obviously, one needs to be in a good position to deliver a high quality loop drive with R53. I'll post more updates as I experiment with this rubber more. I have always favored boosted H3 for my Acoustic but I'm hoping these latest releases of 50+ rubbers will help me replace H3 because boosting is really a hassle. 


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Dear Acoustic and Violin Clan,
If this should be an entirely different thread, just delete it, but I feel like it belongs in here…
I plan on becoming a worthy member, but am still left undecided and indecisive. I am a believer of the Chinese Philosophy: Blade provides feeling and the rubbers provide the speed. My current setup is: Primorac FL 87g with DHS Hurricane 3 Provincial OS 41° 2.15mm on forehand and Butterfly Tenergy 05 2.0 red on backhand. I plan to try out DHS Hurricane 3 Provincial BS 40° 2.15mm on my forehand and DHS Skyline 3-60 mid-hard (~37°) on my backhand. I have Chinese-like strokes on both my forehand and backhand and my backhand is better from a couple of steps away from the table. I usually win by spin, but can generate speed through my physique. 
Now the questions of questions: Should I go for the Acoustic or the Violin? 
My research came up with the following differences (only the new versions):

                                  Acoustic                                                              Violin 
Plies:    Limba-Limba-Tung-Limba-Limba     WhiteAsh-WhiteAsh-Kiri-WhiteAsh-WhiteAsh
Something I could not find is the thickness of each ply. If anyone could supply that, that would be awesome. 

Size:    158x150                   5.7mm thick                         156x149             5.3mm thick

If you approximate the Surface area of a blade as an ellipsis, you get: 
             186.159cm^2                                        182.558cm^2

Leaving a discrepancy of ~3.6cm^2, which should be interesting for your choice of rubber. This means Acoustic becomes more head heavy and heavier overall by a gram or two.

This blade is supposed to cure my emerging EJ virus once and for all. I like the look of the violin handle better than the acoustic. I like the idea of it being somewhat different to my Primorac. But would I instead just get the more similar one and go for the Acoustic ? I like both for their superb quality, which is also why I hope for them to leave me content with my equipment for once.
Can you guys help me out ?



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i suppose it is a matter of feel - which one fits your hand better is the winner. 
V is just a bit slower thus a bit more controllable. but is your any single stroke fast? do you need that a slightly  faster speed? me don't. 
V is fast enough.
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I think you have them reversed.   Thickness of violin is 5.4 mm while thickness of acoustic is 5.7-5.8 mm.
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Originally posted by doraemon doraemon wrote:

I think you have them reversed.   Thickness of violin is 5.4 mm while thickness of acoustic is 5.7-5.8 mm.
Yes I have them mixed up, because my handwritten table is the other way around. But thanks for clearing it up Smile

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