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Topic: Table Tennis with a Heart
Posted By: yogi_bear
Subject: Table Tennis with a Heart
Date Posted: 08/17/2009 at 8:38pm
I started this project 2 years ago in our province giving used rubbers and now its on a 5-city scale level.. cole was kind enough to help me 2 years ago and now Im so glad a lot of people here at mytt are also very kind in sending me rubbers for these poor kids. here are the links for the 2 videos, these are the 2 clubs that i gave the rubbers not counting other individual kids ive given the rubbers to. pics will be posted this week since im too busy..
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8xq8Jgyv_8 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8xq8Jgyv_8  
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaLwsQSRqL8 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaLwsQSRqL8
 
the first one is a group of elementary kids who are being trained by a national player who was with my deceased mentor and now he is also teaching me.. these kids have just been learning table tennis for about 2 months. the place is good, it has 8 tables but the problem is that they don't have a funding from their city government. they are mostly using addoy premade bats from btty. imagine their faces when they learned that they will receive rubbers..
 
the 2nd video is from a group of kids trained by a coach friend of mine.. these kids are very poor since they live in the slum areas in their district.. you could see the small kids (about 5 and 6 yr olds) playing and would you believe they have only been learning table tennis for more than a month only.. this coach friend of mine is the one that trains them and he spends his own money no wonder he is not married at the age of 47!!
 
a total of 42 rubbers were sent by alex and ttrubberman, the vids are just part of the kids i gave the rubbers to, there are still others that i need to get the pics this week. i thank alex and ttrubberman for helping me and sending me even new ones. boz also sent me a shipment of used rubbers but i still havent received them.. other kind people also promised to send me but ill mention their names once i receive them..
 
i think being a table tennis player does not end in mastering your strokes and footwork but rather its just the beginning of a journey. character development transitions to being a better individual thru sports in this case, table tennis. i did not post this to uplift myself but to share the experience and joy of sharing to other unfortunate kids. im not asking you people to help as of the moment because i think i have enough already but each of us in our own way in our own places can help foster the growth of table tennis especially to the younger generations.. maybe if each of us in our own country can do this, table tennis will be more popular. i dunno how long will it take but i guess it has to start in a small way..
 
again, we are not just sportsmen but rather people who have the character, discipline and compassion for our sport not only for our own advancement but also for the development of others in our beloved sport..
 
 


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Posted By: Jonan
Date Posted: 08/17/2009 at 8:54pm
So cute children! Great that they have an activity to keep them occupied and off the streets and out of trouble and something they can put their energy into thats positive with discipline.

Do they have any preference on what type of rubbers they receive? Like tacky, non-tacky, control oriented, etc. And are there any companies nearer to there that could ship it directly to them, like I think Pingpongonline is based in the Philippines. You could buy a whole box of 729 FX supersoft and have them train with that for the price of one of those used Bryce sheets.


Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 08/17/2009 at 9:04pm
That's awesome Yogi ! Props to you all.  The little girl in the second vid ripping forehand loops is pretty cool i must say.  

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Posted By: silverhair
Date Posted: 08/17/2009 at 9:29pm
My question is how can we forward out "used" rubber to the kids?  Our rubber might have past its peak for us, but might have plenty of life in it for young developing players.

Is there some kind of fund-raiser to which we can contribute?  Is there an inexpensive rubber that can be purchased in large quantities for the kids?



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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 08/18/2009 at 4:24am
well as of the moment i think i have enough of teh rubbers because there are still shipments im expecting from people here. i think you dont need to send anything for these kids as of the moment but rather why not start with your own areas and try to see if you can help a kid or 2 with table tennis.. usually i let them use cheap tacky chinese rubbers though many of the used rubbers that were sent to me were euro/jpn rubbers..

rich, yes that cute lil girl was fun and priceless to watch

jonan, id rather make them used to chinese rubbers since they cant afford to buy one especially the jpn rubbers

silverhair, adham tol me he is doing the same thing but he usually ships them to africa 2x a yr.. as of the moment i havent thought of any fund raising.. im avoiding money also to avoid controversies


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Posted By: nicefrog
Date Posted: 08/18/2009 at 5:01am
I allways give my old rubbers and even blades I don't want to the young players in my club. It's a good thing to do :)

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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 08/18/2009 at 5:27am
yes nicefrog it is, its like the old mastercard commercials--"a new timo boll alc 199 $, tenergy 05 50$, giving it to a young kid and see that kid develop into a good player someday priceless!"

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Posted By: ttrubberman
Date Posted: 08/18/2009 at 8:41am
The children are so cute. When I watch the video, I found that they are using a very old damaged blade with a very poor rubbers but they all have a beauty smiley face. A used rubbers / cheap rubbers can be a good stuff for them, help them to train with a better equipment.

yogi, please feel free to ask if you have any needs.

Thanks for your video.


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 08/18/2009 at 9:16am
yeah thanks bro, the vids were taken before we distributed the rubbers, after the distribution we attached the rubbers that you and alex gave.. in the future im planning a clinic for these kids with some of the national coaches that i know but for now i need to finish this project first im still waiting for other stuffs sent to me

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Posted By: alexli
Date Posted: 08/18/2009 at 12:40pm
I am glad to see those rubbers are so helpful for the kids. Just imagine how many poor kids are there from the underdeveloped countries or from the slum areas of the developing countries who love table tennis as much as we do. There so many warm heart members on this forum that are ready to help out those kids. I would encourage anyone who has access to helping out those kids, please feel free to use mytabletennis.net forum as a platform to post your needs and I believe there will be many warm heart members out there to donate their used rubbers and rackets.It is just little cost on us but great help for the kids.

Thanks yogi for the effort on his project. And I hope to see more projects like this and mytt forum could be a good platform to help implementing the projects.




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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 08/18/2009 at 7:44pm
hmmm we can have a project of used rubbers for africa, adham does that 2x a yr helping those unfortunate kids there

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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 09/04/2009 at 9:42am
these are the pics that were taken when the rubbers and rackets given by adham & ittf, pingpongrob, boz, cagaragesales were distributed to the kids. some were sent to the provinces and im still waiting for the pics.. thank you all for helping this project mine come to reality..

http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL2057/12635953/22477140/373286352.jpg
http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL2057/12635953/22477140/373286354.jpg
http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL2057/12635953/22477140/373286358.jpg
http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL2057/12635953/22477140/373286360.jpg
http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL2057/12635953/22477140/373286394.jpg
http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL2057/12635953/22477140/373286397.jpg
http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL2057/12635953/22477140/373381437.jpg
http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL2057/12635953/22477140/373381484.jpg


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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 09/04/2009 at 9:46am
pingpongrob and boz sent about 20 rubbers (used but very playable)
cagaragesales sent 60 RITC brand new rubbers with 100 plastic sheets
Adham & ITTF sent 12 neo skylines 2 & 3, 12 neo hurricanes 2 & 3 (48 total)
and sent 24 premade rackets which by the way are excellent for beginners because they are light and the rubbers attached are skyline 2 and hurricane 3's.. im also thankful that ITTF handled the customs fee of about $160.. albert handled half of the EMS fee and gatz the other half, pingpongrob and boz sent the items with them paying the shipping.. thank you all


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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 09/06/2009 at 8:41pm
thanks Adham though I wish you did not placed my name in the article. Id rather want my identity anonymous but then its not everyday I could see myself posted in the ITTF website.. Thanks to you and Steve and also for other kind members here who have helped me

http://www.ittf.com/_front_page/ittf_full_story1.asp?ID=19326&Category=General&Competition_ID=&


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Posted By: hungga
Date Posted: 09/06/2009 at 8:56pm
So that's you in the picture in that ITTF news, yogi? Fits the nickname. XD

But then, well done!

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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 09/06/2009 at 9:13pm
yes, i have a "bear belly" hehehe

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Posted By: wyatt
Date Posted: 09/08/2009 at 10:55am
more like "BEER BELLY".. Am I right Yogz?


Posted By: nicefrog
Date Posted: 09/08/2009 at 11:24am
Your doing a great job :), excellent stuff

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Posted By: Glenn
Date Posted: 09/08/2009 at 11:31am
Im very impressed yogi, you are truly doing a good job.

i hope in future this can be done on a more major scale so that many more kids can benefit. And mayb not only in Phillipines, but everywhere else where kids need help.

Very well done!


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 09/09/2009 at 8:13am
yeah i would glenn, i would liek to do this parallel to what adham is doing personally every 6 months but this would need a lot of  logistics.. hard but its attainable..
wyatt, its "bear belly" hence my name?? i dont drink by the way


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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 09/13/2009 at 5:54am
that thread is such an inspiring treat each time i stop by it.


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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 10/22/2009 at 3:24am
sorry for the delayed pics. due to heavy flooding my friend wasnt able to save his laptop with the video of it.. the rubbers here were from adham, rob, albert and boz..

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u218/yogi_bear77/7030_101779649837721_10000017058-1.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u218/yogi_bear77/7030_101779653171054_10000017058224.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u218/yogi_bear77/CIMG2626.jpg


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Posted By: riker71
Date Posted: 10/22/2009 at 3:51am
a very worthy project, inspiring, its so good to see kids enjoying sport like this. Thanks for sharing :-)

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Posted By: Iskallt
Date Posted: 10/30/2009 at 6:22am
Wow, I'm impressed of their good technique. Well done man, that project deserves huge attention! :)

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Posted By: stevrodgers
Date Posted: 12/22/2009 at 4:52am
That was awesome .....liked it....thanks for sharing

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Posted By: yvangkwheng
Date Posted: 01/09/2010 at 11:25pm
ive been likin playing ping-pong for more than ten years since i was a lil boy. lolz.... pretty much the same as that kid in the video.

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Posted By: HurricaneKing
Date Posted: 01/11/2010 at 1:07am
THAT WAS GOOD


Posted By: nightcrawler
Date Posted: 01/24/2010 at 7:57am
good work! i was amazed when i read this, it left me speechless. I am really happy to be around to see this, especially in this community


Posted By: Lake56
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 9:44pm
That is Awsome...Those kids all looked better than I did after a month. That has got to be a very rewarding experience.

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Posted By: mcd0nald
Date Posted: 03/16/2010 at 10:01pm

well done yogi,...

it's truly about table tennis with a heart


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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 03/17/2010 at 8:19am
yeah thanks. soon the ittf will send me another batch of rubbers this march hopefully we will receive it also with alex li's rubbers and ttrubberman's

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Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 03/29/2010 at 12:29pm
I just sent a ton of used rubbers to some guy who is starting a TT club at a missionary school.  If he's around reading, he might jump in for some pub.

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Posted By: lao wa
Date Posted: 04/02/2010 at 7:27pm
nice

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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 04/03/2011 at 9:07pm
for the 3rd time alex has sent some rubbers and baldes for kids in the philippines here are some links



as a gesture of gratitude to alex and mytt i placed his banner on the tournament venue


alex, thank you for your big heart and unwaivering support


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Posted By: ityw
Date Posted: 04/03/2011 at 9:56pm

i saw a lot of chinese boy!ping bang china!



Posted By: alexli
Date Posted: 04/03/2011 at 10:45pm
Big thanks should go to Yogi for what he has been doing by great efforts to help more kids in his country to be able to play table tennis. Compared with that, what we have done is just little.

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Posted By: ttCrawsaive
Date Posted: 04/04/2011 at 10:22am
Thank you Yogi, it's good to see this, great job.

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Posted By: ivanwen75
Date Posted: 04/18/2011 at 2:38am
very nice story there. it really is the story behind this wonderful sport. thanks for this

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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 06/27/2011 at 6:53pm
just received the rubbers and 2 blades from chronos yesterday.. i will send this out to 2 of of provinces here due to the kids there who cant even affort a $5 dollar racket thanks to you ted!



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Posted By: chronos
Date Posted: 06/27/2011 at 7:29pm
The gear arrived safely!  We were both a little worried, so glad its all there, I hope the kids enjoy this!!!


Posted By: chris.b40
Date Posted: 06/27/2011 at 7:34pm

I love this thread !!  Heart



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Date Posted: 09/14/2011 at 12:36am



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Posted By: zshark
Date Posted: 09/14/2011 at 12:37am
great job for both of you,yogi and alex li Heart

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Posted By: artakwol
Date Posted: 11/03/2011 at 8:27pm


Shat apreq! which means Well Done! in Armenian.


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 03/13/2012 at 8:23am
another batch of rubbers and blades sent to kids by our very own forumer slade. thank you very much here are the items he sent - 32 rubbers (pips and inverted) 7 blades. pics of the items and i will post more tomorrow



this is a project of mytt.net sharing rubbers and blades for kids .. thank you very much for your kindness slade


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Posted By: gatz
Date Posted: 03/13/2012 at 8:34am
Good job! fellow forumers...this goes a long way!

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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 03/15/2012 at 8:24pm
here are the recepients of the rubbers slade had sent. the lady in red is one of our national players and was just in the pic. i gave 4 rubbers to kttc yesterday and im sending the rest of pips to a province of whom will send the pics to me next week (a dozen)



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Posted By: gatz
Date Posted: 03/15/2012 at 8:56pm
Yogi and alex is it okay if someone is willing to send their donation for KTTC right now they can send their donation to me? coz am sending them few more rubbers and whatever the shipping cost it will incur in shipping them the items i will pay for it .

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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 03/15/2012 at 11:10pm
by all means ate gatz go ahead.

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Posted By: chameleon77
Date Posted: 08/23/2012 at 10:08pm
just saw this thread...keep up the good work bro...by the way, where is your place?....might visit it sometime...

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Posted By: watchski
Date Posted: 08/27/2012 at 11:52pm
i could donate paddles...decent ones in fact...  how would i do this?

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Posted By: YosuaYosan
Date Posted: 08/28/2012 at 3:16pm
I always admire such act of valor in our sport.
The country where I live is not far from my fellow Kabayans (I live @ Indonesia).
Probably one day I should do a similar gesture :)


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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 08/29/2012 at 7:07am
watchski, i think zapenholder is doing the same thing in his country in south africa. maybe you can send your extra rubbers and blades to him

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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 08/29/2012 at 7:46am
Thank you Yogi_bear for your introduction.

I have recently join the coaching staff of the local provincial junior team on a free of charge basis.
I am also good friends with some of the coaches there, and one of the things we talked about is how to get better equipment to the juniors (all under the age of 17 or 18). As they use second hand equipment and have been using them for a long time, and maybe even more than 2 years+ (rubbers)

From a blade point of view, I think it is still fine - as long as they don't damage them during play.
But rubbers tend to wear out more than what free equipment comes in from existing channels.

There is already budgets on tables, practice balls, surronds and playing venue - which is all donated. Some of the individual players also gets small amount of funding from government or parents, but I would say 80% of them will require additional help from the coaches.

Just so you know, there is a national tournament coming up in 1 months time, and some of them will struggle to get together $100 of travel and accomendation cost to cover 7 days.

I don't prefer sponsoring by financial means, but I think unwanted equipment for the less fortunate for now is a good start. And I am thinking of forming a NPO or something like that in the near future to help the rest of them.

I was touch when I saw this thread and what Yogi_bear is doing.

I would like to just have more information on how I can get the MyTT community to help and advise what I can do simliar to what has been done around the world already.



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Posted By: henrylarry6
Date Posted: 09/11/2012 at 5:11am
Kids are playing with a great concentration, awesome play and awesome kids.


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 09/11/2012 at 9:17am
a lot of people here are willing to help through small means. you just need to find and convince them. i believe table tennis players are not just good people but also people with kind hearts

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Posted By: liulin04
Date Posted: 09/14/2012 at 2:44am
Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

a lot of people here are willing to help through small means. you just need to find and convince them. i believe table tennis players are not just good people but also people with kind hearts


When is the next fundraiser?  Book me down for the next drive!


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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 09/14/2012 at 10:05am
i think we can start gathering some stuff for zap! its been a while since our charity section has made any reports on this activity better start it out again now. alright who wants to donate stuff for zap's cause??

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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 09/14/2012 at 10:24am
hi Yogi_Bear,

Thank you so much for bringing it up agian.

To give an update on what I have been doing, I have volunteer in coaching the provincial junior team - free of charge. Some of the players folks also approached me asking to coach their kids. I also been doing it free of charge. This coaching is taking about 15 hours a week from me now, as there is a national championship coming up from 30 Sep. I am also taking leave from work, and funding my own transportation (lucky accomdation is free) for 7 days at a city that is 1600km away from me to manage a U17 team and some players at the tournament
Thus I have been more busy than before, but feeling better as I am doing more for others than doing for myself.

I am also trying to start a TT store and to register to be a reseller with certain brands - from there, I am just aiming for little margin and to break even, but rather building relationship with those brands and hopefully I can get some sort of support structure from the vendors to the local TT comunity here. Currently there is Butterfly/Tibhar/Stiga sponsored juniors, but we are talking about less than 5 in total. and there is Stag that donates tables and barriers, other than that - all the clubs and players are spending money (that they may not have) to have children play Table Tennis.

Feedback after my previous post - I see a lot of cadet (U12/U14) using donated equipment -  those recreational bats - which is a big no no. So at it stands - any rubber/blades new or old will be better than those silk like rubbers they have now (unless they want to play anti spin lol)



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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 09/14/2012 at 5:03pm
Just came back from coaching.
This young lady (age 15) is number 8 in Africa last year in the U14 age group.
She is using a "cheap" blade, I think it is a Stiga recreational blade, with 2 sheets of Tibhar nimus, from what her father told me is 2 years old already, with damages to the edge and even a tear almost in the sweat spot - I believe it is not even legal to use....

Apparently she will be getting sponsored 2 new sheets next year. But she is playing in the national championship in 2 weeks....

Just to give you guys an idea on the condition of the better playing juniors, yet alone the cadets that really don't have access to decent equipment.

So please, if any one has unwanted equipment, please can you let me know on how you can assist?
Thanking you all in advance


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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 09/14/2012 at 5:08pm
Also to add, the TT season is coming to an end in October, with the kids writing exams in Nov/Dec and then school holidays.

TT season will restart in Feb 2013 for some serious ones, but April for everyone. So I am hoping (with the guidance of Yogi_Bear and his experience) that hopefully I can get some donations together and send out to be early in January, so we can receive them by February.




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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 09/14/2012 at 8:26pm
alright, good to hear that. i think we can set up sort of a trust fund for zap's cause and send him either money to buy the equipment or the actual needs. can you post some of the pics of your students with you teaching?

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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 09/15/2012 at 2:15am
Will do,
I'm off to the "junior league" in 30mins time , its a match system for all the juniors from U17 to cadet age.
I will take some photos of these kids and their equipment.

On Sunday afternoon, I will have a training session, and on Monday evening again. I'll take some photos and upload them


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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 09/15/2012 at 9:24am
Here we go:
http://imageshack.us/g/1/9759401/ - http://imageshack.us/g/1/9759401/

Some of the players I coach either individual or during team training:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/651/dsc07262o.jpg/ - http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/651/dsc07262o.jpg/ Left
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/689/dsc07258d.jpg/ - http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/689/dsc07258d.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/138/dsc07252.jpg/ - http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/138/dsc07252.jpg/ 2 of the right
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/222/dsc07216e.jpg/%20 - http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/222/dsc07216e.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/594/dsc07212z.jpg/ - http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/594/dsc07212z.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/825/dsc07236y.jpg/ - http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/825/dsc07236y.jpg/

I took some photos of their equipment.
Most of the juniors get second hand equipment from the seniors (who either buy or get sponsored). Some of these juniors have been using these equipment for more than a year.
Butterfly was kind enough to sponsor one of the clubs 50 shirts, and the club just had their club name printed on too. You can see some Dunlop and Lion bats, as well as no name brands with old but proper rubbers



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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 09/16/2012 at 8:02pm
wow those are crappy bats! anyway, ill send you some come november. would dawei rubbers be good enough?

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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 09/16/2012 at 8:38pm
Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

wow those are crappy bats! anyway, ill send you some come november. would dawei rubbers be good enough?


Thank you Yogi_bear Smile.
Btw, my practice on Sunday was canceled, I will take more photos again on Monday evening.

Yes, those bats are crappy, or have so many damages.... But I don't think I saw the worse yet.
In Oct or Nov, I am invited by one of the club owners to travel to a town 100km away, at a school for the deaf and have few deaf players (there were dress in red tshirt in this tournament).

When we are there (township area), I believe I will see a lot worse equipment than what I have seen in the city.
Of course you still have some wealthy ones in the city, ie a player's dad ordered her a TBS spirit with T05 on both sides recently, but I will say that is very very rare - even for the top players in South Africa that are not sponsored.

Regarding Dawei - Yes PLEASE. I am sure it is 10 times or 100 times better than some of what those players are using.

One thing I did noticed is, all of these kids are using soft sponge to medium sponge rubbers. I am not sure how they will adapt to Chinese rubbers.

I think the past 5 to 10 years there was a lot of 729FX, I think super soft. I was the only DHS user here, and now I don't think there is any Chinese rubbers used in South Africa. I think it can be either 1 of 2 reasons - either no one bought them in, so no users. Or maybe they don't know how to use Chinese rubbers.

I gave 4 sheets of H3 away (each about 3 months usage) a month or 2 ago. I actually want to check on the feedback there.

Regarding the cost for value, I think Chinese rubbers is critical here.



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Posted By: popperlocker
Date Posted: 09/16/2012 at 9:30pm
Had no idea you were from South Africa Zapenholder. How is the playing situation there? How are the clubs? 

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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 09/16/2012 at 10:15pm
Originally posted by popperlocker popperlocker wrote:

Had no idea you were from South Africa Zapenholder. How is the playing situation there? How are the clubs? 

Well, I've been all over the show. So more like I am in South Africa now Tongue

I think there was some sponsorship (compared to 5 years ago when I was last on the scene) for tables. All the clubs (affliated to the national tt board) here got sponsored/loan Stag DX2000 tables.
There has been a lot more juniors/cadet than before. A lot of previous natational junior players are now adults and also doing coaching. And certainly a lot new clubs forms since 5 years ago.

I think in general the game is getting bigger.
But I think still lacking enough hours of training and higher quality coaching (too little coaches too) to really get the guys to the top. A lot of juniors don't focus on footwork, and this is something that I have been trying to implement with extreme difficult (footwork wise) multiball drills. I have seem problems with footwork for top 5 ranked juniros in different age group.

Even though there is more funding than before (ie High performance center for the top players, but limited to the chosen ones, overseas trips for the national team etc), but on the ground level the juniors rely on coaches to pick them up and drive them around to matches as well as assist with equipment. In some cases, the coaches will even sponsor trips for the kid to tournaments (the coaches gets donations on behalf of the kids). The local provincial TT guys is making it as affordable as possible, but there is still some that can't do it alone.

One of the clubs I am coaching at, the owner is funding a lot of things out of his pocket. IE all the balls used was purchase by himself, and I hear beggining of the year he bought a gross of them, and now there is less than half...and he is getting worried lol. One thing I like about him and his club is that he is getting Para guys involved in TT, and the Deaf team also plays with him. He is the one invited me to the Deaf school to do a full day of Table Tennis training there.

The clubs fees is very cheap - compared to what I hear on the forum.
I pay something like USD45, for the club for the year, which includes the league fees (which I hardly play and act more like a reserve player nowadays). The league fee is about half of that. Our club is one of the more expensive ones here.

The club I am at is apparently the biggest in the country with just under 60 players with 8 teams in the league (of between 3 to 5 players). Can put up max 12 tables.
The league structure I think is decent and challenging, but the only disadvantage is they play 10 GAMES, 3 x 3 singles with 1 doubles, all best of 5s. Thus it finish quite late, normally on Wednesday from 7pm (but you know things never start on time), so budget 7:30pm to 11pm.... One reason why I don't play anymore.



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Posted By: popperlocker
Date Posted: 09/17/2012 at 12:57am
Wow sounds interesting, thanks for the insight on South Africa! The coaching problem you talk about seems difficult, since the coaches/clubs have to pay for many expenses. Are most of the top players imported or home bred? How would you rate the level of the players in the league? 1500-2200?

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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 09/17/2012 at 6:20am
Originally posted by popperlocker popperlocker wrote:

Wow sounds interesting, thanks for the insight on South Africa! The coaching problem you talk about seems difficult, since the coaches/clubs have to pay for many expenses. Are most of the top players imported or home bred? How would you rate the level of the players in the league? 1500-2200?


I forgot to mention that the coaches are clost to offering FOC services if not FOC like me.
The ones that are getting paid - I think is just breaking even.

There haven't been much imported players. Only 2 was both from China (imigrated to SA for other reasons). Both of them female ended up being South African womens champion with ease. One of them was still young (unveristy age) and a formal provincial junior player in China. The other was a 50yrs old+ former top player in China and Heilongjiang provincial junior coach.

Level of play, this is the tough one as I am not familar with US rating, but my guess from comparison in the past (using Sweden and Belgium ratings). The top SA players should be about 2300~2500 - assuming 2500 is the highest when peak - during full time training.

The league has - Premier league (all 10 teams)
1st league, 2nd league all the way to 5th league or 6th league.

The lowest league level is really "beginners", but above your "basement" type of play. I dont' know how to guess those players rating.

There is also the junior league - where my photos was taken from.
there is 4 divisions in the junior league, with the youngest competing is around 10 to 12 year old, with about 1 to 2 years of play.


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Posted By: popperlocker
Date Posted: 09/17/2012 at 2:45pm
Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by popperlocker popperlocker wrote:

Wow sounds interesting, thanks for the insight on South Africa! The coaching problem you talk about seems difficult, since the coaches/clubs have to pay for many expenses. Are most of the top players imported or home bred? How would you rate the level of the players in the league? 1500-2200?


I forgot to mention that the coaches are clost to offering FOC services if not FOC like me.
The ones that are getting paid - I think is just breaking even.

There haven't been much imported players. Only 2 was both from China (imigrated to SA for other reasons). Both of them female ended up being South African womens champion with ease. One of them was still young (unveristy age) and a formal provincial junior player in China. The other was a 50yrs old+ former top player in China and Heilongjiang provincial junior coach.

Level of play, this is the tough one as I am not familar with US rating, but my guess from comparison in the past (using Sweden and Belgium ratings). The top SA players should be about 2300~2500 - assuming 2500 is the highest when peak - during full time training.

The league has - Premier league (all 10 teams)
1st league, 2nd league all the way to 5th league or 6th league.

The lowest league level is really "beginners", but above your "basement" type of play. I dont' know how to guess those players rating.

There is also the junior league - where my photos was taken from.
there is 4 divisions in the junior league, with the youngest competing is around 10 to 12 year old, with about 1 to 2 years of play.

I'm fascinated with all the support from the coaches, clubs, and government. Good for the sport, and a healthy activity for the children. 


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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 09/17/2012 at 4:56pm
Yeah, this is where I found my passion of giving more than gaining from others.
I asked one of the coahces why he is doing it, he told me, because when he was small, other guys did it for him and now it is his turn to give back.

Also, a lot of children are from community that have drugs and gangs. Sports take these children off the street and teach the children to work hard to achieve something (and not the easy way).

Of course there is also some ugly side like politics etc, but overall, as long as every body is doing somethings for the childrens, it is a good thing.

In the photos, that young girl (12 yrs old) with a dunlop bat (new), the bat was donated by a guy that was 17 years old. He saved up some money to purchase it and "donate" to the club. The bat is about USD16 retail price, but it means a lot to the little girl.



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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 09/17/2012 at 5:43pm
As promise, some photos from training this evening

http://imageshack.us/g/1/9764557/ - http://imageshack.us/g/1/9764557/

Total 4 players today, but I see there was no photos of the 4th.
Some other players are writing exams now so didn't come to practice.
I forgot to take photos of the bats, will do that next time.



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Posted By: popperlocker
Date Posted: 09/17/2012 at 11:10pm
Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

As promise, some photos from training this evening

http://imageshack.us/g/1/9764557/ - http://imageshack.us/g/1/9764557/


I don't see any kids using penhold.... 
A player from South Africa using penhold would be nice to see :)


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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 09/17/2012 at 11:21pm
are you the one feeding the balls to the kids zap? nice

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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 09/18/2012 at 5:06am
Popperlocker
Lol, officially I am the only penholder in South Africa. These kids do try to copy me during fun play, but I think SH is easier to master. Maybe in the future I can find the ones that want to become a penholder. Also, you have to see the faces when they saw my "cpen" short handle. They just couldnt' understand it and thought I trim it short myself Tongue

Yogi_bear,
Yeah, that is me.
I don't normally like to be in photos..... Embarrassed



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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 10/15/2012 at 6:46am
Hi All,

I would like to ask, if there is any donators out there that can assist by continuing this project for South Africa.

The season has come to an end now, but will restart in April 2013, however a lot of youngsters will likely start again in Feb/March.

I am hoping from now to Jan (3 months), we can gather some donations of used rubber/blades, and even funds to help postage/custom clearance. I am hoping the donation can arrive between Feb to March 2013.

Yogi_Bear,
could you kindly assist by sharing your past expierence on what is the best methods to gather and sending the donated goods.

Thank you all in advance
ZApenholder



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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 10/15/2012 at 9:48am
zap, try contacting ittf about your project. they sent me dhs rubbers and rackets twice in 2 yrs. ill give you the email address.

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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 11/11/2012 at 2:54pm
Hi All

Just a friendly reminder if you have some old equipment lying around that you woulld like to donate, and if you can help post it to Cape Town, South Africa too.

PM me please if you can assists

Thanks a mill


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Posted By: Slade
Date Posted: 11/11/2012 at 5:34pm
Any worthwhile places to send in the U.S.? Have a little bit that can go but the last round cost too much to ship

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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 11/11/2012 at 5:52pm
Originally posted by Slade Slade wrote:

Any worthwhile places to send in the U.S.? Have a little bit that can go but the last round cost too much to ship


I was thinking the same thing.
As the cost of 10 x 500gram parcels will be double if not more higher than 1 x 5kg.

Is there any suggestions regarding a collections point in U.S. that can help collect, combine and ship out?


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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 11/11/2012 at 9:42pm
i think its about 20 USD if by regular postal mail consists of 2-3 blades and maybe 4-6 rubbers

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Posted By: karisle
Date Posted: 09/16/2013 at 3:04am
Appreciated you so much. I think tabble tennis brings a lot of fun to these children.

And absolutly agreen with "we are not just sportsmen but rather people who have the character, discipline and compassion for our sport not only for our own advancement but also for the development of others in our beloved sport‘.




Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 03/05/2014 at 6:14pm
i think it's time to resurrect this thread. someone pm'd me asking for equipment. i forgot what country he was from. anybody got spare used rubbers or blades?

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