Review: Xiom Vega Europe
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Topic: Review: Xiom Vega Europe
Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Subject: Review: Xiom Vega Europe
Date Posted: 01/14/2010 at 12:46pm
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Review: http://www.mytabletennis.com/shop/rubber/inverted-rubber/xiom-vega-europe-rubber.html - Xiom
Vega Europe Rubber , red, max thickness. Quick Review Very soft sponge and grippy topsheet with tall pips. Softer than Tenergy. Softness on par with Renanos Bright Soft, Bryce Speed FX, Palio Macro Era soft, etc. Extremely good spin and power on loops. Not quite as much spin as Tenergy, but with a noticeably lower throw and less reaction to spin than Tenergy. The soft sponge is great for brush looping/control looping. Drawbacks: its not as fast flat hitting as it is angled hitting like looping. And this isn't much of a drawback, but it will add vibration/power to whatever rubber you have on the other side. Euro has the most performance you will get for the price. If you like high performance, soft sponge rubbers, this is a good rubber to try. I highly recommend it as a bh rubber, although it works great on both wings on fast composite blades. Lets call it a    |
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Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 01/14/2010 at 12:47pm
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In-Depth Review Initial Impression: My sheet uncut weighs about 62g. The sheet feels a little bit jiggly like Tenergy. The Vega Euro topsheet isn't as grainy as Tenergy but it feels more coarse than rubbers like Bryce Speed FX, Sriver G3 FX, etc. It feels very grippy. The black sponge shows through the red rubber slightly, giving it a completely different look than any rubber I've seen. The pips are large. They are smaller than T25 pips, and spaced closer together. I'd say the pips are a cross between T25 and T64. And they are tall like T64. (But this is a different rubber than Tenergy, so these comparisons are trivial.) Vega Euro has the porous sponge like Tenergy but its much softer. I use 2 thin coats of http://www.mytabletennis.com/shop/glue/voc-free-glue/haifu-water-solubility-bond-300ml.html - Haifu water-based glue. (The thin, milky white stuff that smells like amonia.) I also just let the rubber flop down onto the glued blade face, and then rub it down. I don't roll it on or stretch in on. Cutting the rubber confirms my thoughts that the sponge is softer than Tenergy, but the rubber topsheet is not as easy to cut through as Tenergy. Just by bouncing the ball on the blade (BTY Photino), Vega Euro feels much softer than any Tenergy rubber. It also has a pronounced click sound. It sounds similar to T25. I would say the sound is more pronounced than any Tensor related rubber I've tried. It feels slower than Tenergy when bouncing the ball flat. With angled bounces and the rubber shows much more power, and it has very good mechanical spin. It is more reactive to spin than any Tensor related rubber I've tried, but not quite as much as a Tenergy. Enough to make you think this will be a spinny rubber. I'm impressed so far, now I just need to hit with it.....  Performance: BH Loop- Very spinny with good control and power. Nice soft sponge catapult feeling but without the high-throw you would expect from a spinny soft sponge rubber. I would say this is Vega Euro's biggest plus. I don't like high throw rubbers on my bh (who does?), and I definitely wasn't spraying balls off the table with Euro. Good confidence hitting loops. The soft feeling sponge is especially nice on controlled opening loops and looping against backspin. BH Couterdrive- The BH drive takes a little more adjustment with this rubber. Compared to the spin and power demonstrated by Euro with the loop, you need to be conscious about contacting the ball a little harder than you would expect on more open face shots. It seems the real power of the rubber comes from angled rebound, and I found the ball going into the net a few times on flat controlled drives. And although the sponge is soft and the topsheet is very grippy, I had to use more force when attempting to flip/brush loop a short dead ball serve. A minor detail, but worth noting. BH Blocks- Blocking heavy topspin loops right off the bounce is very easy. (provided you are in the right place!) Finding the right blade face angle felt very natural. Euro will send your opponent's loops back with control and enough power to force them to half-hit the next shot. BH pushes and service return- Vega Euro is nowhere as reactive to spin as Tenergy, but service return and pushing can/will take some getting used to. (Especially if you are used to passively directing your opponent's heavy spin with varying depth and placement.) The direction the ball goes when reacting to spin is predictable, but pushes and angled blocks/pushes against a serve seem to fly farther and with more spin than expected based on the feeling from other types of shots with this rubber. Once I became more active and started to impart my own spin on pushes and serve returns, I gained more control, and I started to hear that "squeaky" sound the pro's stomp their feet to hide. Long-Term Performance: Durability- I hit the table with the edge of my blade and splintered the blade, but the rubber survived without even a scuff. I also noticed the durability of the topsheet when I was cutting the rubber. (Still need to test the long-term durability.) |
Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 01/14/2010 at 2:22pm
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You're in for a treat! Playing it on your FH or BH? ------------- Nexy Hannibal Tenergy 05 Tenergy 05 FX |
Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 01/14/2010 at 2:55pm
Yep I'm excited. For my own practical purposes I'm looking at it as a bh rubber, but I will of course flip it to give my feedback as a fh rubber. I've used soft tensor rubbers on both sides before, so who knows?  |
Posted By: manyaku88
Date Posted: 01/15/2010 at 12:35am
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i'm just getting ready to go play, i am bouncing the ball around and the squishy speed glue like sound seems to be gone, but it spins more, hmm hope i am just sleepy, will post again today after i play
i glued the rubber exactly a week ago, i had similar experiences with the older tensors, they get harder, i was hoping this one does not, well, will play and see ------------- Blade: Bty BalsaCarbo X5 FL FH Bty Tenergy 05 2.1 BH: Palio Aeolus 45* 2.2 |
Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 01/15/2010 at 3:56am
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I tried Vega Europe for about 1 hour today. I chose Europe since I
wanted a softer feel, maybe a bit more control. Here's my initial
impression. My blade is a Butterfly Korbel, pretty mainstream blade with allround and offensive capabilities. I used both sides Max thickness. I didn't weigh the the sheets, but I can say they're medium to medium light just by comparing to other rubber combinations on the same blade. Sponge is black, even under the red topsheet. It's probably a first. Looking cool 
Sponge is a bit softer than Tenergy, Genius (same generation Tensor
from Tibhar). Topsheet is quite grippy, a bit less then T05, more than
Roundell, any previous gen. Tensor, all Stiga Boosts, Tibhar Genius
etc. Bouncing on the paddle, strangely, bounce height is quite low with
deadish feel compared to most built in glue effect rubbers. However the
grip is very nice, it's evident. The throw seemed a bit lower than T25 (combined with Acoustic, that paddle was ready on hand when trying the rubber). However this feel can also be produced by the less catapult of Vega. It's slower than any Tenergy version, Platin, Boost TX etc. Not much glue feel, sound or "click". Just some during relatively harder shots. Spin is very high (again a bit lower than Tenergy). You can produce slow spinny brush loops or hardloops with mechanical spin easily. When the sponge kicks in, speed increase is also significant. Power is there for finishing the point. I did not have the chance to test the powerlooping abilities so I won't comment on that for now. But countering is really nice with very good spin and control. Short game is extraordinarily good. Vega has one more lower gear compared to all Euro/Japan stuff out there. I didn't feel this comfortable with any new gen rubber before. I maybe exaggerating a bit since my trial is quite short but Vega is really good for short game. Pushes, serves are great with very nice back/side/whatever spin you want. Since it's not that bouncy, it feels very natural. As an initial verdict, I can say Vega is a very good allround offensive rubber. Major strengths are spin and short game. ------------- Innerforce ALC, Glayzer / Rozena |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 01/15/2010 at 6:26am
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I agree with speaquinox almost about any thing. However, we didnt expreinece the lack of sound - it was on a Yasaka Ma Lin carbon blade.
The arc of loops is very good - I could land anything on the opponent's side. A very good allround rubber indeed, just as speaquinox described it. In a word, it is a perfected version of Plasma Women or Sonex JP Gold because it is harder and feels faster and more direct than the aforementioned two rubbers. Compared to a glued up Hammond Pro alfa on a Stiga two speed all wood balde it is palpably slower, unfortunately. So maybe it is the speed of a Sriver FX glued. To clarify my rating of speed: in my opinion no manufacturer has managed to produce a rubber that is uquivalent to a speed glued Bryce and other top speed products. But they have managed to come close to glued Srivers and the likes. All in all, it is a very good rubber, definitely good for the backhand, and for the forehand too, if your tactics is based on outplacing the opponent rather than blast them off the table. |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 01/15/2010 at 7:29am
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Hans or others that have tried the Vega Euro....does it at all feel like Higher 1 but more firm? ------------- |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 01/15/2010 at 10:41am
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I havent played with Higher so unfortunately have no idea.
Compared to LKT Silver Dragon it is slightly softer, but only slightly. |
Posted By: kelvinyoong
Date Posted: 01/16/2010 at 5:42am
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What is the main difference between Vega Asia vs Vega Euro and Vega Pro? Are they all using the same topsheet but with difference sponge densities? ------------- Andrzej Grubba AN Sriver 2.1 Sriver 1.9 |
Posted By: Thaidog
Date Posted: 01/16/2010 at 5:55am
Euro has the softest sponge, Asia and Pro have a hard sponge, Pro's topsheet is more spinny than Asia's. ------------- Timo ALC FL Tibhar Grip S MAx Tenergy 64 FX National 2.1mm He never boosts... of course he never had to... |
kelvinyoong wrote:Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 01/16/2010 at 1:46pm
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What is softer rubber :baracuda(genius,xplode,hexer) or xiom vega europe ? Thx |
Posted By: manyaku88
Date Posted: 01/16/2010 at 1:54pm
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genius is the only one i have not hit with yet, but from the rest, europe ------------- Blade: Bty BalsaCarbo X5 FL FH Bty Tenergy 05 2.1 BH: Palio Aeolus 45* 2.2 |
Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 01/16/2010 at 4:34pm
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thx manyaku88 , |
Posted By: wfwfitz
Date Posted: 01/18/2010 at 12:45am
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How do the Xiom Vega series compare to Xiom Zeta? ------------- Wfwfitz Xiom Axelo Xiom Sigma Pro Red and Black Butterfly Amultart Tenergy 05 Black and Red 64 |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 01/19/2010 at 5:33am
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I further tested the Euro and i have correct myself on the speed issue. I tested it in 2.0 mm and it is only slow on slow impacts. When you start playing a little harder it produces nice fast shots with excellent arc.
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Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 01/19/2010 at 6:51am
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I've decided to keep using the Vega Euros on both sides and ordered another couple as backup. Even though the glue feel is less compared most new gen rubbers, the spin and short game comfort helped my decision. May try on other blades though.
------------- Innerforce ALC, Glayzer / Rozena |
Posted By: ichobi
Date Posted: 01/19/2010 at 7:14am
| Hey speaquinox , I am using Korbel ST too and really interested in this rubber. How does it match up with Korbel? I don't like too fast equipments. Do you think this set up will be good for learning proper loop? I am an intermediate level player and seeking rubbers to replace my dying Mark V. Also how do you like to have the same rubber on both side? Does it give you more consistency in feel and control? |
Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 01/19/2010 at 7:43am
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Vega Euro and Korbel match quite nicely, however I strongly recomment sticking to Mark V. It's still one of my favourite rubbers and it's one of the best for beginners/intermediates. You'll improve a better stroke and learn to create better power in your shots. ------------- Innerforce ALC, Glayzer / Rozena |
Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 01/19/2010 at 2:03pm
| try please somebody compare spin and speed vega europe with baracuda(,xplode,hexer) |
Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 01/20/2010 at 2:52am
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I've used Tibhar Genius for a month or so. I guess it should be similiar to Hexer and Baracuda. Compared to Euro, Genius has less topsheet grip, less spin on slow strokes (serve, push, slow brush loop etc.), is a bit harder, faster and definitely springier. Spin harder loops are probably same. Genius has better glue feel.
------------- Innerforce ALC, Glayzer / Rozena |
Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 01/20/2010 at 4:58am
| Hm, baracuda has very little catapult and very little glue effect(I like it) and you are saying, that vega has more less catpult than genius(very similiar as baracuda), so vega must by very good control.And spin on genius is very good so i will try xiom vega europe :). |
Posted By: TSuBaSa
Date Posted: 01/24/2010 at 1:16pm
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Today I've played for 10 minutes with clipper + vega europe. Its very spinny I must say. Spinny as tenergy. Its bites the ball really vell. I think topsheet is very firm or dense and sponge is medium soft. Topsheet is not soft but its not fast either. There is little "fresh glue"feel in it. But its really spinny and if you swing a bit harder than it becomes alive. So that rubber has a lot of gears... Its slow when you want it to be but its fast enough if you swing harder. Serv, push and oppenning topspins are much better than anyother tensor. It feels like a slower tenergy64. I really liked it. Maybe the only downside is there is not much ball feeling and click sound. Genius,nimbus, f3bigslam are softer and there is more ball feeling... ------------- Nittaku Tenaly Acoustic Inner Carbon Joola Rhyzer Pro 50 & 45 |
Posted By: manyaku88
Date Posted: 01/24/2010 at 1:28pm
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i agree with TSuBaSa on everything except for sound
it has a strong click sound, does not come as easy as with bigslam or xtra but it's there, louder than platin or T64 ------------- Blade: Bty BalsaCarbo X5 FL FH Bty Tenergy 05 2.1 BH: Palio Aeolus 45* 2.2 |
Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 01/24/2010 at 2:46pm
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Genius is softer than xiom vega europe? .. i dont believe. Are you sure? |
Posted By: TSuBaSa
Date Posted: 01/24/2010 at 2:50pm
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Feels like softer... Because there is more clicking sound... Vega's topsheet is firmer thats for sure but I dont know about their sponges... Genius was on a all+ blade and vega was on a clipper so I'm not sure but there was more ball feeling with genius... ps:that was my 10 minutes experience, speaquinox knows better these rubbers... ------------- Nittaku Tenaly Acoustic Inner Carbon Joola Rhyzer Pro 50 & 45 |
Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 01/24/2010 at 2:59pm
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nothing bad , but 10 minut is very short time on testing rubber. What do you think people, which rubber is unforgivable (baracuda(hexer, genius, xplode) or Vega europe) ? I read in topic xiom vega pro, that vega pro is very very very unforgivable rubber. What about xiom europe? Please can you compare angle (throw) between xiom vega europe and baracuda(genius,hexer, xplode). thx |
Posted By: TSuBaSa
Date Posted: 01/24/2010 at 3:12pm
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Vega is not that springy and its not that super fast so it offers good control BUT it reacts to your opponent spin. So if you dont have any problems dealing with spin then its good. ------------- Nittaku Tenaly Acoustic Inner Carbon Joola Rhyzer Pro 50 & 45 |
Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 01/24/2010 at 3:24pm
| I need comparing(every rubber (pimple in) reacts on opponent spin). I need comparing with baracuda... |
Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 01/24/2010 at 4:35pm
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im still confused that aussietabletennis will not stock the euro version, they said they already have enough similar rubbers in stock!
Dam and official retailers abroad say we won't sell cross the world where there is already a dealer...
mmmmmmm ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 01/24/2010 at 4:38pm
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Genius has better click / glue feel (interestingly has harder sponge). Vega Euro has softer sponge but as Tsubasa said the topsheet is stiffer and also grippier. So Vega has better spin for slower strokes (pushing, brush loops, service) and less catapult. As for sound, I'm using it on Korbel and there's none to little sound. ------------- Innerforce ALC, Glayzer / Rozena |
Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 01/24/2010 at 5:01pm
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thx can you compare angle (throw) between xiom vega europe and baracuda(genius,hexer, xplode). |
Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 01/24/2010 at 5:31pm
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Not much difference, as far as I remember. Quite similiar, a bit lower than T05. ------------- Innerforce ALC, Glayzer / Rozena |
Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 01/24/2010 at 5:38pm
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thx you. So xiom vega europe has also high throw (not to much as tenergy).(by spequinox comparing high throw genius=vega eur=baracuda). It is also written on xiomtt web pages as BIG WINDOW :) |
Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 01/25/2010 at 10:20pm
------------- Main: Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm Chopper: Stratus Power Defense 85g FH: Hybrid K3 max BH: Grass D.TecS 0.9mm USATT: 1725 |
Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 7:06am
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I use it on both sides. Vega is as spinny but slower than T64. Less bouncy, less click. We'll see about the durability in future.
------------- Innerforce ALC, Glayzer / Rozena |
Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 01/26/2010 at 4:28pm
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I wouldn't say Euro has a really high throw or that its super reactive to spin. When you play actively, I'd say its a medium throw. Especially on flat hits, the ball has a relatively flat trajectory. And the ball digs into the soft sponge a little bit giving you some more control, compared to when the ball just ricochets off of T05's hard, spinny sponge when you miss hit a serve, for example. Euro is definitely NOT a bouncy rubber. It's sound is not as pronounced as some of the new gen rubbers, but the FX "click" sound and feel you get from the soft sponge is still nice. Its about med weight, so I wish it was a little bit lighter given the softness of the sponge. (Maybe because my sheet is cut with a lot of extra rubber hanging over.  )Euro is definitely worth a try at ~$37. I will pick up a black sheet when its in my budget. |
Posted By: manyaku88
Date Posted: 01/27/2010 at 10:25am
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after 3 weeks of playing
vega europe is very close to Hexer, about the same spin, more consistent, better short play, a bit lower throw, it's medium throw not high not low, it is the softest of all the new porous sponged rubbers, yet i can easily play mid distance i find it rather bouncy, but not bouncy as in Bryce S FX effortless speed but as in lively and responsive to what you put in your shot, loudest sound of the new rubbers from ESN the most remarkable feature i found was the multitude of gears it has, it is slow when you want it to be slow and fast when you start looping and still has a good control when blocking, especially right off the bounce just like loopmeister said for me it is the FIRST "normal" rubber since the speed glue ban and i have tried A LOT, trust me, it's like having a upgraded speed glued Sriver ------------- Blade: Bty BalsaCarbo X5 FL FH Bty Tenergy 05 2.1 BH: Palio Aeolus 45* 2.2 |
Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 01/27/2010 at 2:14pm
You mean upgraded speed glued Sriver EL/FX!? |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 01/30/2010 at 12:47am
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mine arrived today....
expectation: for bh, something like hexer, tad slower / softer better short game easier opening (hexer is also very good) manyaku's note interesting. ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: manyaku88
Date Posted: 01/30/2010 at 2:05am
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as in you agree with me? ------------- Blade: Bty BalsaCarbo X5 FL FH Bty Tenergy 05 2.1 BH: Palio Aeolus 45* 2.2 |
Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 01/30/2010 at 2:05pm
I was wrong about Euro's weight. I thought it was a medium weight rubber, but after taking it off to put on another blade I weighed it and its only 40.5g with 2-3mm overlap on a 150x157mm blade. That's light. 
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Posted By: horiakyys
Date Posted: 01/31/2010 at 4:40pm
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I play with Schlager Carbon and since i discovered Vega Europe i put aside Tenergy 05. I liked this rubber so much that i got a Vega Europe for my bh also. All the shots are on the table and my partners told me it looks like i was in China and had some trainning. Very fast and very spinny, good for pushing and awesome for topspin and retopspin. And the sound (when you hit the ball the right way) is music to my ears. When i hear this kind of click sound, i know my opponent will have some hard time returning the ball. This excellent rubber is worth a try.
------------- Blade: Schlager Carbon Rubber: Xiom Vega Europe |
Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 01/31/2010 at 5:29pm
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hm, i think: loudly sound- bad durability. Baracuda, tenergy- the best durability, no so loudly sound... Maybe it hasnt any influence.... so i am very curious about durability xiom vega... |
Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 02/01/2010 at 1:38pm
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I think a lot of the sound comes from the soft sponge and tall pips, rather than some kind of manufacturing treatment that leaves a rubber brittle. As for durability, last week I hit the table and splintered the edge of my blade but Vega Euro was not even scuffed. I also noticed the topsheet was durable when I was cutting the rubber. And it doesn't crumble off when impacted like Tenergy. |
Posted By: alexcsibi
Date Posted: 02/01/2010 at 2:06pm
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I am wondering about the durability of the rubber. My training partner got a Hexer about 5 weeks ago and you can already see the wear spot in the middle of the rubber... ------------- Blade: Stiga Infinity VPS FH: Spinart BH: Stiga Clippa |
Posted By: demonxsd
Date Posted: 02/02/2010 at 6:03am
| backhand punch block like using bryce speed fx:P |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 02/02/2010 at 9:01am
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first day with Vega Europe wasn't too impressive. I was much more impressed with the hold time and ball feel of Hexer when i had played day one.
The sponge, marginally softer than Hexer, doesn't feel so, while Hexer feels softer and loads spin better. But first day impression often change. Throw is significantly lower than Hexer too. And that impression wont change for sure ;) update: while returning serves you can open loops better with hexer (ie. over powering the spin and adding your own spin and lift), but flick (without overpowering the spin in the ball) better with vega europe. ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: jackass22
Date Posted: 02/02/2010 at 5:05pm
| thx debraj, i am curious about next days of your training wiht xiom europe |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 02/04/2010 at 5:04am
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So far I'm impressed with it, no new generation rubber has been this good - including the tenergies.
I'll be posting a review on Sunday, after I have further tested it for about 6 hours. |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 02/04/2010 at 1:17pm
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good thing: linear (so far), okay topsheet grip but still unreactive to serve returns, slower than hexer, serves okay (nothing great)
bad: much less feeling than esn rubbers or even cj8000 biotech soft ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: iamj8
Date Posted: 02/04/2010 at 11:28pm
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Wow.. I have to try this out. xDDD
Thanks for the review! =D |
Posted By: unagidon
Date Posted: 02/05/2010 at 3:18pm
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thanks for the review.
------------- kong linghui special: bluefire jp01 / rakza x http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37939&title=feedback-unagidon" rel="nofollow - my feedback |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 02/08/2010 at 5:38am
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I am still very enthusiastic about VEga Euro. I've got a max thickness one. On the other side of my blade there is a Roxon 500 max. The blade is Epox Off.
I had never played with Roxon 500 before I bought these two rubbbers, however, I spent half a year using Hexer. It is a very good rubber, but now that I have found these two, I'm pensioning my Hexers off. Vega Euro feels slightly harder than Roxon 500 in spite of the factory hardness data, but it is 10-15% slower, and the throw angle is lower. It is for me too the first normal non-speed glue rubber since the ban. I ended up using it on the BH and Roxon on the FH. Vega is not as bouncy but this is an excellent quality that comes in handy when blocking. There is a big cracking sound and you can feel the rubber grab the ball for a minute. It can be very fast but at the same time because of this latency (which is not as big as Hexer's imho) it is more suited for controlled looping. All out loopers should chose Roxon 500. When I read earlier in various forums that it is fast I was in doubt because most people described it as devilishly fast with not so good control. Speedwise it is very fast indeed but I cant see any reason why you cannot learn to control it both close to the table and away. When people say Tenergy is the fastest and spinniest I just smile now. True, it is a lot easier for people under usatt 2200-2300 to use any of the tenergies but above that level I feel Roxon is just better. The big difference between Roxon and VEga is the topsheet. Roxon's topsheet does not grab the ball while with Vega you have total control over how you spin the ball up. Roxon is a pure mechanical spin rubber and to be frank you have a hard time with it when you want to softly spin a weak ball that barely comes over the edge of the table. It must be hard otherwise the ball just slips of Roxon 500. But with Vega such balls will be no problem. Also service reception is a lot better with VEga. In my opinion the perfect rubber would be something with the speed and throw angle of Roxon 500 with the topsheet characteristics of Vega Euro. So, if you ask what's the difference between Hexer, Roxon 500 and Vega Euro, here's my answer: spinwise all three of them are extremely good, speed(slowest to fastest): Hexer, Vega, Roxon, bounciness: from least to most: Hexer/VEga, Roxon responsiveness at low impact(worst to best): Roxon, Vega, Hexer |
Posted By: tomaca
Date Posted: 08/19/2010 at 5:32pm
| can someone compare a vega Europe with Yasaka Pryde 30,hardness, speed, angle |
Posted By: Heimdallalso
Date Posted: 08/20/2010 at 1:16am
Well it may be blade related, but I find (& have, for a month or so) Vega Europe very very poor at brushing. What bit I've hit w/ Vega Pro, I've also found it more suitable for trying to brush. I've found Palio's Macro, Macro ERA 42.5, BLIT'Z, all much better at brushing the ball. I'd mention old school Andro Impuls too, but nobody uses that anymore. I've just had a different experience than you Hans.
yeah... OK grip & a BIG +1 to "bad: much less feeling than esn rubbers or even cj8000 biotech soft" agree completely to each his own The odd thing about it is; though being the softest of the Vega series, even if you do back off the table, a fair bit of "power", speed or "pace" can still be generated. I found this somewhat surprising. Good Hitting fellas ------------- NEXY Lissom st 85g fh/ Andro Impuls Speed max bh/ Palio Flying Dragon 1.8 |
Posted By: saif
Date Posted: 08/20/2010 at 1:13pm
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My findings are- 1. Medium throw 2. Good spin and also reactive to incoming spin. 3. Loud sound-not click type, more like thack/crack. 4. A bit faster than hexer I think but I'm not sure because they are on different blades. Mine is 2.0mm on a Xiom Aria blade. ------------- TBS FH & BH: T05fx Tibhar Samsonov Alpha FH: Grip-S Europe BH: Rakza7 soft Victas Koji Matsushita FH: Tenergy 80 BH: Feint long III https://www.facebook.com/groups/5439549367/ |
Posted By: mon22
Date Posted: 12/01/2010 at 11:28am
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I just recieved my sheet yesterday and glued it up. I played with tenergy 64 for 2 weeks and have gotten used to it already. My initial impression: -very grippy and natural looking rubber (tenergy seems glossy and synthetic) -soft sponge but hard/firm topsheet Playing impressions: (comparison to T64) -slower than t64 -less spin but just as spinny -less feeling (can be due to blade being heavily sealed) -more effort needed for BH shot from far away -definitely feels more like a regular rubber -heaps of control NEED MORE TIME - Initial playing impressions are poo, longterm playability is where the opinion matters. SUBJECT TO CHANGING Be back later btw the thack sound seems to me as if the ball hits the blade. You hit hard enough to pass the topsheet and the ball digs in to the soft sponge hitting the blade. And the topsheet catapulting it rather than sponge. Almost the reverse concept of tenergy 64. Soft topsheet to dig into the sponge. i think there is more control to Vega Euro though ------------- I am a total Newb. Come at me! |
Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 12/02/2010 at 7:08am
| What does "less spin but just as spinny" mean? |
Posted By: mon22
Date Posted: 12/02/2010 at 12:15pm
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still spinny. enough in my standards ------------- I am a total Newb. Come at me! |
Posted By: saif
Date Posted: 12/02/2010 at 12:49pm
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Another thing I should mention- Vega Euro now becomes very slow after 30-40 hours of play. That makes it much harder to put away the ball. But topsheet grip is still there.
------------- TBS FH & BH: T05fx Tibhar Samsonov Alpha FH: Grip-S Europe BH: Rakza7 soft Victas Koji Matsushita FH: Tenergy 80 BH: Feint long III https://www.facebook.com/groups/5439549367/ |
Posted By: tomaca
Date Posted: 12/05/2010 at 2:25pm
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whether someone could compare Europe with Bryce FX
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Posted By: louisc
Date Posted: 12/05/2010 at 3:20pm
------------- Timo Boll ALC ST FH:Tenergy 05 2.1 Black BH:Tenergy 05 2.1 Red |
Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 12/05/2010 at 3:44pm
Vega rubbers lose some of their surface grip after a few weeks. But Euro is overall soft enough that it keeps a good mechanical spin for its lifetime. ------------- 
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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 12/05/2010 at 3:47pm
I've heard that, but I've also heard that the top sheet can be easily "revitalized" by a drop of paraffin oil being spread on and soaked in. I haven't had to do it yet, but if I notice a drop in grip then I'll give it a shot. ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: DDreamer
Date Posted: 12/06/2010 at 10:35pm
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I've used Vega Europe for some months now and like it. Nice and soft, quite spinny, good throw, reasonably good glue effect, quite durable (except it can tear easily around the edges). Ideal for good loopers.
------------- I know that faster equipment will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out |
Posted By: bonggoy
Date Posted: 03/04/2011 at 10:46am
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I've been using this on my backhand for the last week or so. Red 2.0.
I was using Dawei ULQ 2.0 before (excellent control + decent speed and spin but a little too slow). After that, I briefly played with a Max Xiom Asia (too fast for me at this point). Going back to Xiom Europe. Not sure about the soft sponge + soft top sheet combination. Not much adjustment on loops, serves and push. Blocks is a totally different thing. I can't control this rubber when I am blocking. It seems to react too much to incoming spin. I actually have to be a little bit more aggressive i.e. a little bit of brush or punch. I will stay on this rubber for another week. If it still behaves the same, I might just go back to ULQ. The search for my backhand rubber continues. |
Posted By: JacekGM
Date Posted: 05/21/2013 at 8:52pm
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Is there a difference between how the red and the black Vega Euro's play? ------------- (1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH. |
Posted By: iamj8
Date Posted: 05/23/2013 at 6:07am
No. Unless I am mistaken, black top sheets have a tiny bit of extra grip. This is because top sheets are naturally black and they are dyed red so a trivial amount of grip is lost during the dying process. At least, that's what my friend told me. But this doesn't really matter imo. ------------- A version of Hurricane 3 A version of Tenergy A Stiga blade... |
Posted By: player87
Date Posted: 05/27/2013 at 4:41am
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Hello everybody. Could someone advice me. I want to use Vega Europe for BH on my Acoustic but I am a bit worried is it going to play on my blade since it is quite hard. The second issue is thickness of the rubber. I am choosing between 2.0 and max. I mostly use BH for drives and block but want to develop top spins from close to the table distance. Thank you in advance. |
Posted By: decoi
Date Posted: 05/27/2013 at 5:05am
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^ Go with Vega Asia or Omega Asia ------------- Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao FH: TG3 BS BH: Xiom Omega 4 Aisa Blade: Hurricane Hao 2 (656) Fh: Dhs Gold Arc 3 Bh: Stiga Tour H http://www.youtube.com/user/decoyla?feature=mhee |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 05/27/2013 at 5:37am
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Vega Europe isn't "quite hard". If that is quite hard for you... then....... |
Posted By: player87
Date Posted: 05/27/2013 at 9:40am
| I meant my blade is quite hard. Upper layer is koto. |
Posted By: Toprank
Date Posted: 05/27/2013 at 11:03am
I have Vega Europe on my backhand with an acoustic. They go very well together. ------------- CURRENT BLADE- Ross Leidy White Lightning FH- Haifu Blue Whale II BH- Xiom Vega Europe |
Posted By: player87
Date Posted: 05/27/2013 at 12:00pm
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what is the thickness? I am planning to get 2.0 want more control. Hope it won't be too slow |
Posted By: JacekGM
Date Posted: 05/27/2013 at 12:53pm
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If you are mostly looping on backhand, you should not be disappointed with the XVE 2.0. However, something like Rakza 7 Soft in that case might be a better choice. ------------- (1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH. |
Posted By: Toprank
Date Posted: 05/27/2013 at 1:08pm
It is 2.0 actually. Not too slow. Very good control and spin. ------------- CURRENT BLADE- Ross Leidy White Lightning FH- Haifu Blue Whale II BH- Xiom Vega Europe |
Posted By: player87
Date Posted: 05/28/2013 at 4:21am
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Thinking about FH now)) How about Genius Max or 2.0 on FH or better Omega 4 Europe? or maybe another option of Xiom. But weight is essential for me. Want to decrease the weight. My game mostly close to the table with FH loops. Thank you in advance. |
Posted By: decoi
Date Posted: 05/28/2013 at 5:16am
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vega asia omega asia should be light enough.. depending on how strong you are? ------------- Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao FH: TG3 BS BH: Xiom Omega 4 Aisa Blade: Hurricane Hao 2 (656) Fh: Dhs Gold Arc 3 Bh: Stiga Tour H http://www.youtube.com/user/decoyla?feature=mhee |
Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 05/28/2013 at 7:00am
I was thinking the same thing. Maybe Vega Asia on FH to pair with Vega Euro on BH |
Posted By: player87
Date Posted: 05/28/2013 at 11:45pm
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I am not a strong player however would like to improve myself. Here we come, my final setup is FH Evolution MXP max, BH Vega Europe 2.0 |
Posted By: decoi
Date Posted: 05/28/2013 at 11:57pm
which is exactly the reason you should be using Vega asia on either of your sides. theres a guy at my club who is jsut a bit better than me and he has been using vega asia both sides for a long time now ------------- Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao FH: TG3 BS BH: Xiom Omega 4 Aisa Blade: Hurricane Hao 2 (656) Fh: Dhs Gold Arc 3 Bh: Stiga Tour H http://www.youtube.com/user/decoyla?feature=mhee |
Posted By: player87
Date Posted: 05/29/2013 at 12:23am
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Decoi, thank you very much for the advices but I was choosing from what is available at the moment. Otherwise I would need to wait for several week until I get my order. I am really looking that my setup will fit me. P.S. I have watched your youtube video. Are you playing cpen? If yes, then I am playing a bit better. |
Posted By: decoi
Date Posted: 05/29/2013 at 12:27am
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did you check the dates :P ------------- Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao FH: TG3 BS BH: Xiom Omega 4 Aisa Blade: Hurricane Hao 2 (656) Fh: Dhs Gold Arc 3 Bh: Stiga Tour H http://www.youtube.com/user/decoyla?feature=mhee |
Posted By: player87
Date Posted: 05/29/2013 at 6:27am
| nope)) |
Posted By: decoi
Date Posted: 05/29/2013 at 6:49am
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:P ------------- Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao FH: TG3 BS BH: Xiom Omega 4 Aisa Blade: Hurricane Hao 2 (656) Fh: Dhs Gold Arc 3 Bh: Stiga Tour H http://www.youtube.com/user/decoyla?feature=mhee |