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Topic: 2011 Pro Tour Korea Open video
Posted By: WSCHLAGER_ADAM
Subject: 2011 Pro Tour Korea Open video
Date Posted: 06/28/2011 at 5:06pm
Please post Video here, megaupload or mediafire thanks a lot hehe.



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Posted By: jacksonm
Date Posted: 06/28/2011 at 7:18pm
Hoping to see Koki Niwa and/or Choi Deok Hwa on one of the TV tables. Two of my favourite U21 players.


Posted By: GECA
Date Posted: 06/29/2011 at 12:45pm
Simon Gauzy vs Kim Dong Hyun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFei8CEt--w - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFei8CEt--w


Posted By: ttCrawsaive
Date Posted: 06/29/2011 at 2:03pm
Thanks Geca!
It's so strange, one of the best Europeans against a Korean I never heard of before.


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Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 06/29/2011 at 2:16pm
Originally posted by GECA GECA wrote:

Simon Gauzy vs Kim Dong Hyun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFei8CEt--w - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFei8CEt--w
 
good battle.


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Posted By: ttCrawsaive
Date Posted: 06/29/2011 at 3:15pm
2 Young defenders (china vs korea)
 
Choi Deok Hwa-Liu Yi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM_uOK-RYdo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM_uOK-RYdo


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Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 06/29/2011 at 8:12pm
gauzy just doesn't have the power ...

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Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 06/29/2011 at 9:06pm
Some japanese girl named So Eka is playing now. She is a cpen player who uses RPB! Fascinating to watch.

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Posted By: lifewire
Date Posted: 06/29/2011 at 9:14pm
Yes but her taunt before each point is annoying as hell.


Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 06/29/2011 at 9:16pm
Originally posted by lifewire lifewire wrote:

Yes but her taunt before each point is annoying as hell.

Yes it is, but she;s quite talented.

Here is a video of her 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kldWH0OKyzY&feature=player_embedded#at=39 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kldWH0OKyzY&feature=player_embedded#at=39

According to a Japanese website, she uses Yasaka Extra with T05 and Xtend HS. 


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Posted By: lifewire
Date Posted: 06/29/2011 at 9:17pm
It's 'san' and then 'san' the first being loud and the second being a whimper


Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 06/29/2011 at 9:19pm
I have a feeling like she might be chinese. Her name would be pretty unique in Japan, and her chinese name (literally) 

宋恵佳 


is Song Hui Jia.


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Posted By: shaolinTT
Date Posted: 06/30/2011 at 1:09am
Originally posted by ttCrawsaive ttCrawsaive wrote:

2 Young defenders (china vs korea)
 
Choi Deok Hwa-Liu Yi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM_uOK-RYdo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM_uOK-RYdo

Beautiful!
Thanks!


Posted By: Nerix
Date Posted: 06/30/2011 at 4:03am
  Hi folks. Because of holiday I'll not be able to follow up on this tournament and videos will then be uploaded after the tournament. I'll reuse this post to publish the matches.


Posted By: GECA
Date Posted: 06/30/2011 at 7:51am
Lee Sang Su vs Tristan Flore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T3iG6MaJCA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T3iG6MaJCA


Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 06/30/2011 at 8:55am
Flore is much more impressive looking than gauzy.

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Posted By: tianhai
Date Posted: 06/30/2011 at 9:45am
Originally posted by ttCrawsaive ttCrawsaive wrote:

Thanks Geca!
It's so strange, one of the best Europeans against a Korean I never heard of before.


Kim Dong Hyun was Korea's Youth Olympic Games representative.
Simon was France's Youth Olympic Games representative.


Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 06/30/2011 at 4:29pm
bump for vids.


Posted By: GECA
Date Posted: 07/01/2011 at 6:57am
Patrick Baum vs Lin Gaoyuan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlNlRIB-RSU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlNlRIB-RSU


Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 07/01/2011 at 8:50am
this is the problem about china. lot of good players.
 
look at this Lin Gaoyuan. another fast and furious chinese player capable of beating p.baum playing well. 


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Posted By: TSuBaSa
Date Posted: 07/01/2011 at 9:12am
Keep your voice down lin! My ear hurts!

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Posted By: dici
Date Posted: 07/01/2011 at 9:24am

lol at his shout especially at the end


but he might be the future world champion if he able to keep improving. Just see that he is not afraid of take the risk to change the cross court looping into straight loop during the rallying. Then, sometimes he just keep doing only cross court rallying to confuse the opponent. 




Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 07/01/2011 at 9:33am
Originally posted by dici dici wrote:

lol at his shout especially at the end


but he might be the future world champion if he able to keep improving. Just see that he is not afraid of take the risk to change the cross court looping into straight loop during the rallying. Then, sometimes he just keep doing only cross court rallying to confuse the opponent. 


 
and lin didn't put one ball in the base line. just change direction of looping. not always in the diagonal.
 
with speed and power that is all. do not need the baseline at all. amateur story.
 
in fact he missed most points the few times the ball was going to the baseline going the ball out of the table.  


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Posted By: Fruit loop
Date Posted: 07/01/2011 at 9:46am
It seems all the chinese boys try to shout and scream really threateningly. Seems they're overcompensating for something ;)

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Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 07/01/2011 at 9:58am
Sounds pretty stupid when someone "cho"s for simple points. 

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Posted By: dici
Date Posted: 07/01/2011 at 10:02am

They are probably just try to overcome the pressure that they have during the match. I did it once (and used to do it all the time), trying to put some more pressure on the opponent when I was leading the game.

@ejmaster, because lin still not yet Ma Lin. Search in youtube for "Ma Lin: to live just for one moment", putting a ball on baseline does need a good ball feeling. Most pro can do it, but it not necessary they can do it precisely all the time in the match. But as I mentioned before, Ma Long did use long serve to baseline as the main strategy to win over Ma Lin, and Ma Lin did admit this.

And if you watch at the 4th and 5th set of Patrick Baum vs Lin Gaoyuan, after Patrick get used to Lin tactic, he already begin to expect Lin will rally to the straight after first two cross court. This may one of the reason he got the 4th set. But in 5th set, Lin changed the strategy, as you can see the bh to bh rally, Patrick was preparing to expect the ball will go to FH eventually, but it didn't. 



Posted By: GECA
Date Posted: 07/01/2011 at 10:32am
Gao Ning vs Lee Sang Su
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ShjxJs4Je4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ShjxJs4Je4


Posted By: isean
Date Posted: 07/01/2011 at 11:16am
Kim Kyung Ah (KOR) : Butterfly Diode (FL) ,FH: Tackifire Drive, BH: Feint Long II -
than she plays this that?



Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 07/01/2011 at 12:05pm
Originally posted by isean isean wrote:

Kim Kyung Ah (KOR) : Butterfly Diode (FL) ,FH: Tackifire Drive, BH: Feint Long II -
than she plays this that?


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Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 07/01/2011 at 1:01pm
it's great to see someone with very little power beat patrick baum so handily still. That kid is squirrely.


Posted By: Stoi
Date Posted: 07/01/2011 at 1:25pm

Originally posted by dalamchops dalamchops wrote:

gauzy just doesn't have the power ...

I would say its more psychological issue than power issue.



Posted By: GECA
Date Posted: 07/01/2011 at 2:11pm
Dimitrij Ovtcharov Jung Young Sick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaNgcYsGU4s - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaNgcYsGU4s


Posted By: TSuBaSa
Date Posted: 07/01/2011 at 2:27pm
I dont know if its the power or tech but I've watched him alive and his shot were a bit weak compared to german and czech no:1 youngsters...


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Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 07/01/2011 at 2:43pm
Originally posted by Stoi Stoi wrote:

Originally posted by dalamchops dalamchops wrote:

gauzy just doesn't have the power ...

I would say its more psychological issue than power issue.


simon was playing quite safe loops, and not using power. 


Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 07/01/2011 at 11:19pm
Wang YueGu had another fight with the umpires! Always having trouble with her services.

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Posted By: sa01
Date Posted: 07/02/2011 at 12:01am
Originally posted by Fruit loop Fruit loop wrote:

It seems all the chinese boys try to shout and scream really threateningly. Seems they're overcompensating for something ;)


it's extremely funny that nobody tells him anything, he's just a 15 year old kid!!!
besides, he shouts all the time, not just when doing points, he shouts before he serves, before baum serves...
it would be cool if in the military regime of the chinese national team they added a new subject called "courtesy" where they teach them how to behave, etc. since those guys are representing the whole country to the world now.


Posted By: mrdoodzki
Date Posted: 07/02/2011 at 12:19am
let them shout all they want. if its going to let them win, leave it alone. besides i dont think its illegal to shout...


Posted By: dingyibvs
Date Posted: 07/02/2011 at 12:22am
Originally posted by sa01 sa01 wrote:

Originally posted by Fruit loop Fruit loop wrote:

It seems all the chinese boys try to shout and scream really threateningly. Seems they're overcompensating for something ;)


it's extremely funny that nobody tells him anything, he's just a 15 year old kid!!!
besides, he shouts all the time, not just when doing points, he shouts before he serves, before baum serves...
it would be cool if in the military regime of the chinese national team they added a new subject called "courtesy" where they teach them how to behave, etc. since those guys are representing the whole country to the world now.

Hey speak for yourself, I think the shouting's great!  Gotta love the kids who are so into the game Clap  Personally, I think these kids are taught to shout, probably something about releasing the chi they're storing in their core or something LOL


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Posted By: sa01
Date Posted: 07/02/2011 at 1:18am
Originally posted by dingyibvs dingyibvs wrote:

Originally posted by sa01 sa01 wrote:

Originally posted by Fruit loop Fruit loop wrote:

It seems all the chinese boys try to shout and scream really threateningly. Seems they're overcompensating for something ;)


it's extremely funny that nobody tells him anything, he's just a 15 year old kid!!!
besides, he shouts all the time, not just when doing points, he shouts before he serves, before baum serves...
it would be cool if in the military regime of the chinese national team they added a new subject called "courtesy" where they teach them how to behave, etc. since those guys are representing the whole country to the world now.

Hey speak for yourself, I think the shouting's great!  Gotta love the kids who are so into the game Clap  Personally, I think these kids are taught to shout, probably something about releasing the chi they're storing in their core or something LOL


I always speak for myself, who else could I ever speak for? LOL
it's cool that he releases his chi, but he should go release his chi in the middle of the mountain where he doesn't bother other people, not in the middle of a match where he is facing a guy who just maybe, might be a little uncomfortable with a guy shouting at him 2 meters away 20 times every minute.
he's not just putting baum down with that, he's putting down every person looking at that match. we don't want to see who can shout louder or put the opponent more uncomfortable, we want to see who can play better given ideal conditions for both of them.


Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 07/02/2011 at 1:23am
Originally posted by sa01 sa01 wrote:

Originally posted by dingyibvs dingyibvs wrote:

Originally posted by sa01 sa01 wrote:

Originally posted by Fruit loop Fruit loop wrote:

It seems all the chinese boys try to shout and scream really threateningly. Seems they're overcompensating for something ;)


it's extremely funny that nobody tells him anything, he's just a 15 year old kid!!!
besides, he shouts all the time, not just when doing points, he shouts before he serves, before baum serves...
it would be cool if in the military regime of the chinese national team they added a new subject called "courtesy" where they teach them how to behave, etc. since those guys are representing the whole country to the world now.

Hey speak for yourself, I think the shouting's great!  Gotta love the kids who are so into the game Clap  Personally, I think these kids are taught to shout, probably something about releasing the chi they're storing in their core or something LOL


I always speak for myself, who else could I speak for? LOL
hope he never plays against me otherwise I will be releasing my fist to his face...
"sorry, nothing personal, just releasing my chi, I've been taught to hit other people".
there is something that comes before self expression, respect for the other.
I guess liu goliang never taught him that Wink


Except your way of releasing your "chi" is considered Assault and Battery in America, and you go to prison.  Wink LOL


Posted By: GECA
Date Posted: 07/02/2011 at 4:12am
Dimitrij Ovtcharov vs Yang Zi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p28esko_mCk - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p28esko_mCk


Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 07/02/2011 at 8:13am
Joel Roberts, an U21 dude here in Korea, entered the Korea Open (and got In! Joel Fighting!) He was overmatched by a few levels, (He plays National div 2 level)  but represented himself, our USA ettiquitte, and the foreign contingent here in Korea very very well. He game an ammount of troble to that opponent. He had no business getting 5 points per match (He would normally get a 3-4 point handicap vs that level of opponent) Kudos Joel, you fought and did not blow any fuses. Here is da vid vs a Taiwan pro player. Joel showed great control of emotions during the match and did zero to bring discredit to our country. In a vid, I would do 100x worse.
 
http://cdn.laola1.tv/ittf/iframe/player.html?pfad=CHANNEL1-Seniors/2011/ittf_korea_open/110629_t2_HUANG_TPE_ROBERTS_USA - http://cdn.laola1.tv/ittf/iframe/player.html?pfad=CHANNEL1-Seniors/2011/ittf_korea_open/110629_t2_HUANG_TPE_ROBERTS_USA
 
If you cannot view it, go to ITTF ITTV and look for Korea Open mens Qualification group Joel Roberts vs a Dude from Taipei.


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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 07/02/2011 at 8:17am
Joel scored way more points that his level would have permitted vs this opponent. I talked to him after I saw the vid. Joel said he was some nervous, but wouldn't any of us be that way in such a big event and venue, especially given his age. I told Joel he represented absolutely nice and made all us USA and foreign crowd here in Korea proud. I hope to visit him is in a few weeks and encourage him/get defeated by him at Seoul TT Gym club in a few weeks.

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Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 07/02/2011 at 8:46am
Lin Gao Yuan beat Oh Sang Eun.. wow.. that one was quite unexpected..
He is in the semifinal now vs Lee Sang Su.. Would be quite a surprise if he can win this tournament.. scary surprise..


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Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 07/02/2011 at 9:49am
Originally posted by dragon kid dragon kid wrote:

Lin Gao Yuan beat Oh Sang Eun.. wow.. that one was quite unexpected..
He is in the semifinal now vs Lee Sang Su.. Would be quite a surprise if he can win this tournament.. scary surprise..
 
16 years old. if this kid is playing with a tbs, i think ma long playing a tb alc is the right upgrade.


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Posted By: dingyibvs
Date Posted: 07/02/2011 at 11:08am
Lin Gaoyuan is having quite a tournament, at least in the main draw. He had a couple of surprisingly bad games at least scores-wise in the doubles and U21 tournament, so I didnt think he'd do so well in the main draw.

Lee Sang Su over RSM is a bit of a surprise too, he must really love playing penholders, first Xu Xin, now RSM too! Should be a very exciting match between Lin and Lee, two young rising stars. Lin plays like Ma Long, who destroyed Lee in the China Open, but Lee's got a BH like Jung, who handled Lin in the U21 tournament, what an interesting match up!

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Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 07/02/2011 at 11:18am
Originally posted by dingyibvs dingyibvs wrote:

Lin Gaoyuan is having quite a tournament, at least in the main draw. He had a couple of surprisingly bad games at least scores-wise in the doubles and U21 tournament, so I didnt think he'd do so well in the main draw.

Lee Sang Su over RSM is a bit of a surprise too, he must really love playing penholders, first Xu Xin, now RSM too! Should be a very exciting match between Lin and Lee, two young rising stars. Lin plays like Ma Long, who destroyed Lee in the China Open, but Lee's got a BH like Jung, who handled Lin in the U21 tournament, what an interesting match up!


Lee does well vs PH b/c he's such a bh oriented player. He's got a legit top 10 backhand in the world right now. He looks like he's following the same curve as dimi, but his quickness can take him further.


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Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 07/02/2011 at 11:33am
I stumble upon a teaser of what the match might become..
Lee Sang Su vs Lin Gaoyuan, Polish Open 2011..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbCnph1nYWk - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbCnph1nYWk


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Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 07/02/2011 at 11:34am
i think ovctharov is the favorite to win the tournament. Pretty solid lately.

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Posted By: Nori
Date Posted: 07/02/2011 at 11:38am
Originally posted by dragon kid dragon kid wrote:

Lin Gao Yuan beat Oh Sang Eun.. wow.. that one was quite unexpected..
He is in the semifinal now vs Lee Sang Su.. Would be quite a surprise if he can win this tournament.. scary surprise..
Oh sang eun is such a great player.... I fear he is just getting a little old.


Posted By: GECA
Date Posted: 07/02/2011 at 12:05pm
Ryu Seung Min vs Lee Sang Su
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A89j2qy8Nhs - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A89j2qy8Nhs


Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 07/02/2011 at 12:08pm
Thanks for the upload Geca.. Thumbs Up



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Posted By: GECA
Date Posted: 07/02/2011 at 12:43pm
Originally posted by dragon kid dragon kid wrote:

Thanks for the upload Geca.. Thumbs Up

 
No problem mate,thanks for watching:) 


Posted By: lild100
Date Posted: 07/02/2011 at 12:46pm
Great job Dan :)

I have Dima and Jo currently uploading on Youtube just to let ya know... I wont be uploading to many mate :)


Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 07/02/2011 at 2:12pm
Lee Sang Su not only has the strong BH against ryu, but doesn't let ryu get into a rhythm on the BH side like a lot of people do. They overplay Ryu's backhand, but LeeSang Su trains with ryu, and knows exactly when it's safe to go for the FH side.


Posted By: l00p
Date Posted: 07/02/2011 at 8:38pm
Quarterfinal highlights by ttprovider

Korean Open 2011: Dimitrij Ovtcharov-Joo Se Hyuk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nbuVx2CxaU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nbuVx2CxaU

Korean Open 2011: Lin Gaoyuan-Oh Sang Eun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsh9--VNK0E - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsh9--VNK0E


Posted By: lifewire
Date Posted: 07/02/2011 at 11:01pm
I'm so excited for Lin Gaoyuan.

In the Chinese open, Korea sent lee sang su and another junior player to defeat Xu Xin and Zhang Jike.

Now it's China's turn to send their two youngsters to try and take the competition. I think the most exciting match should be between the two youngsters to see which country has more talented youth.


Posted By: ChichoFicho
Date Posted: 07/03/2011 at 1:25am
 As expected, no problems for Lee Sang Su. Unfortunately, Cho Eon Rae lost to Ovtcharov. Had he won, it would have been a lovely all-Korean final. 

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Posted By: lifewire
Date Posted: 07/03/2011 at 3:08am
Lee Sang Su is extremely talented. I'd really like to see how he goes against Ma Long and whether he is able to take another match from Xu Xin.

However, I'm glad Ovtcharov won. As much as I hate watching the usual China v China final, I don't think a Korea v Korea final would be any more exciting.


Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 07/03/2011 at 5:58am
Ovtcharov has beaten Lee Sang Su 4:1, and won the final. IMHO, if he continues to play well, he might even break into the top 10 by end of this year.

BTW, has Ovtcharov got a new coach? Does anyone know who he is?


Posted By: Vladovich
Date Posted: 07/03/2011 at 6:13am
Ovtcharov is back on top. I think he could have chance against Chinese as well, so in the Olympics it will be Dima && Timo || Zhang && Wang :)

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Posted By: Vassily
Date Posted: 07/03/2011 at 7:53am
Originally posted by lifewire lifewire wrote:

I'm so excited for Lin Gaoyuan.

In the Chinese open, Korea sent lee sang su and another junior player to defeat Xu Xin and Zhang Jike.

Now it's China's turn to send their two youngsters to try and take the competition. I think the most exciting match should be between the two youngsters to see which country has more talented youth.


I think China's great advantage is that because of the research money and brains put into TT, they have the best program (Chinese national team) at the top-5 world level, and appear to have cracked the magic formula (i.e. have the highest level of coaching available). Most of the other countries dont have a production line like that. Once in a while the other countries get lucky and make a great player, but it seems they cant really reproduce it with the coaching, so its either the player is somehow super talented, or the coach who is coaching "in the dark" (having never coached a world top 5 player before) managed to make the correct decisions, most likely you need both.

So at the junior levels, the other countries can still compete with them, suggesting that the raw material isnt tooo different, but then at senior level, the chinese pull away. So either the chinese have a better program "at the pointy end" as I have suggested, or maybe the chinese have some sort of 20 year training program which completes their player at around 20 when they start to seriously consistently kick-ass.

Its one thing to hit a purple patch/use a novel serve and win a pro tour/world champs/whatever tournament, its another to consistently win ALL THE TIME, doing basically THE SAME THING, playing the same style as 95% of people, and WINNING BECAUSE YOU ARE SIMPLY BETTER.

This situation seems to have gotten worse since LGL got into power. None of the other countries have a TT genius coach so good he got banned by the ITTF, backed by an army of coaches etc and a history of accumulated TT wisdom. In LGL's time (and even a few years before) only Boll has really been in the game, the rest only win with gimmicks (eg mizutani serve), or some unreal superfast running which lasted approximately 3 months (RSM), or Schlager's happy conicidence of risky playstyle+purple patch+maybe Joo?. Note that none of these guys really dominated table tennis for extended periods a la WLQ (or probably Ma Lin if WLQ did not exist).





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Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 07/03/2011 at 8:12am
ovctharov's bh game has improved to a consistent powerful bh with variation.
 
that brings the same advantages zjk has got with his bh.
 
it allows him to stand more centered and he does not need demanding dynamics.
 
he is 22 years old.
 
i see him quite solid to be on top. with a strong mental and precise game he is going to be a tough player to be beaten in the future. not so shape depending as some other players like xu xin.
 
he can go to be another timo boll consistent player with even more resources and variation.
 
i like ovchtarov technique development more than boll's one. He beat joo see hyuk in a very convincing way.
 
his technique is getting high level playing.
 
from rotterdam where he lost in 1/16rd to t.boll 4-2, he has improved a lot. his strokes are better now. 


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Posted By: lifewire
Date Posted: 07/03/2011 at 9:27am
Vassily,

I agree with you. It is probably a combination of both the training program and superior coaching at the higher end.


Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 07/03/2011 at 10:08am
Originally posted by Vladovich Vladovich wrote:

Ovtcharov is back on top. I think he could have chance against Chinese as well, so in the Olympics it will be Dima && Timo || Zhang && Wang :)

Which one of the Wangs?


Posted By: Mdman
Date Posted: 07/03/2011 at 10:17am
Does anyone know if Adrian Mattenet is playing?


Posted By: mrdoodzki
Date Posted: 07/03/2011 at 10:48am
somebody please upload videos from the semis and finals


Posted By: mudr.nudl
Date Posted: 07/03/2011 at 11:04am

Originally posted by Mdman Mdman wrote:

Does anyone know if Adrian Mattenet is playing?

Clap



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Posted By: GECA
Date Posted: 07/03/2011 at 12:08pm
Semifinals and Final made by TTProvider.
 
Final
Dimitrij Ovtcharov vs Lee Sang Su
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqFPS6iAoeY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqFPS6iAoeY
 
Semifinals
Lee Sang Su vs Lin Gaoyuan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSQ0Up5Ra1o - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSQ0Up5Ra1o
Dimitrij Ovtcharov vs Cho Eon Rae
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axvgAnuWATw - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axvgAnuWATw
 


Posted By: mrdoodzki
Date Posted: 07/03/2011 at 12:37pm
thanks geca you're the best! the slow motions sound creepy though lol. but stll, you're great


Posted By: Showtek
Date Posted: 07/03/2011 at 12:58pm
Originally posted by Mdman Mdman wrote:

Does anyone know if Adrian Mattenet is playing?

Nope, here's the list of players.
http://www.ittf.com/ittf_tournaments/ittf_entries_web.asp?Gender=M&Tour_ID=2054& - http://www.ittf.com/ittf_tournaments/ittf_entries_web.asp?Gender=M&Tour_ID=2054&


Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 07/03/2011 at 3:57pm
Originally posted by Vassily Vassily wrote:

Originally posted by lifewire lifewire wrote:

I'm so excited for Lin Gaoyuan.

In the Chinese open, Korea sent lee sang su and another junior player to defeat Xu Xin and Zhang Jike.

Now it's China's turn to send their two youngsters to try and take the competition. I think the most exciting match should be between the two youngsters to see which country has more talented youth.


I think China's great advantage is that because of the research money and brains put into TT, they have the best program (Chinese national team) at the top-5 world level, and appear to have cracked the magic formula (i.e. have the highest level of coaching available). Most of the other countries dont have a production line like that. Once in a while the other countries get lucky and make a great player, but it seems they cant really reproduce it with the coaching, so its either the player is somehow super talented, or the coach who is coaching "in the dark" (having never coached a world top 5 player before) managed to make the correct decisions, most likely you need both.

So at the junior levels, the other countries can still compete with them, suggesting that the raw material isnt tooo different, but then at senior level, the chinese pull away. So either the chinese have a better program "at the pointy end" as I have suggested, or maybe the chinese have some sort of 20 year training program which completes their player at around 20 when they start to seriously consistently kick-ass.

Its one thing to hit a purple patch/use a novel serve and win a pro tour/world champs/whatever tournament, its another to consistently win ALL THE TIME, doing basically THE SAME THING, playing the same style as 95% of people, and WINNING BECAUSE YOU ARE SIMPLY BETTER.

This situation seems to have gotten worse since LGL got into power. None of the other countries have a TT genius coach so good he got banned by the ITTF, backed by an army of coaches etc and a history of accumulated TT wisdom. In LGL's time (and even a few years before) only Boll has really been in the game, the rest only win with gimmicks (eg mizutani serve), or some unreal superfast running which lasted approximately 3 months (RSM), or Schlager's happy conicidence of risky playstyle+purple patch+maybe Joo?. Note that none of these guys really dominated table tennis for extended periods a la WLQ (or probably Ma Lin if WLQ did not exist).




the koreans never knew lee could beat xu


Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 07/03/2011 at 5:24pm
well at the end of the day- the young korean players are backing up their reputations as being the next chinese threat. They are all very talented. Especially Lee Sang Su- who we just keep seeing in deep tournament runs. These guys are legit, and I really do believe they will be going head to head with the chinese in the next 5 years or so.


Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 07/03/2011 at 11:41pm
Originally posted by beeray1 beeray1 wrote:

well at the end of the day- the young korean players are backing up their reputations as being the next chinese threat. They are all very talented. Especially Lee Sang Su- who we just keep seeing in deep tournament runs. These guys are legit, and I really do believe they will be going head to head with the chinese in the next 5 years or so.

every once in a while the koreans beat a top chinese player and they say "chinese threat..2  same i heard about lim yae hyung, han ji min  4 years ago and they fade away..just flash in the pan


Posted By: berkeleydoctor
Date Posted: 07/04/2011 at 2:18am
whats a purple patch?


Posted By: TSuBaSa
Date Posted: 07/04/2011 at 4:38am
Wow! Tons of excellent matches, great rallies, those young guys are fast and furious... Any HQ vid?

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Posted By: ztec
Date Posted: 07/04/2011 at 1:08pm
It'd be awesome if somebody could find a way to get some clear slo-mo footage of Lee Sang Su's serve. That thing is about as perplexing as any pro serve I've seen before, and judging by how many return errors he causes, it's just as perplexing to his opponents as well. 

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Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 07/27/2011 at 5:32pm
Guys! Nobody uploaded full videos? too bad... maybe I will when I have time or perhaps someone will do at least finals and semis


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Posted By: dingyibvs
Date Posted: 07/27/2011 at 5:49pm
Originally posted by ztec ztec wrote:

It'd be awesome if somebody could find a way to get some clear slo-mo footage of Lee Sang Su's serve. That thing is about as perplexing as any pro serve I've seen before, and judging by how many return errors he causes, it's just as perplexing to his opponents as well. 

Most of the pro serves are pretty perplexing, Lee's service, while different, isn't any more perplexing IMO.  If you watch the Lee vs. Ma Long game in the China Open, Ma Long handled his services just fine after the first few points.


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Posted By: pengyezhi
Date Posted: 08/30/2011 at 1:09am
Why not just switch to Loestrin 24?



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Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 08/30/2011 at 1:12am

it might help if you use a cotton based applicator instead of a watermelon one. Friction burns don't just go away on their own, Johnny.



Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 08/30/2011 at 11:06am
holy smokes you satirized the snot out of him.

beeray, i don't remember laughing this hard in the forum, so after I did cleanup of his 10 spams, i left this one (with some modification to the spam bots signature to remove his adds.), because your post just owns.




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Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 08/30/2011 at 2:02pm
haha


Posted By: IanMcg
Date Posted: 08/30/2011 at 11:09pm
what IS a purple patch?


Posted By: Vassily
Date Posted: 08/31/2011 at 12:10am

Purple patch is the same as "on fire", i.e. playing unusually well for a period of time.



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Posted By: neurogirl
Date Posted: 11/19/2011 at 12:13am
Hey dragon Kid! Where do you play? Mongold uu? Do you know where people play in Mongolia? 

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