tibhar samsonov force pro
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Topic: tibhar samsonov force pro
Posted By: Tibhar77
Subject: tibhar samsonov force pro
Date Posted: 12/30/2012 at 8:32pm
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is samsonov force pro a good blade? easy to loop? good with tenergy 05? thanks  |
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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 12/30/2012 at 8:35pm
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its a fast 7 ply all wood blade similar to a clipper wood. i have a review of that blade here in the forums you just need to use the search button ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: Tibhar77
Date Posted: 12/30/2012 at 8:40pm
| thanks :) but is this blade a good lopping blade. i have never tried clipper wood :( |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 12/30/2012 at 8:46pm
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its stiffer than other looping blades. you can loop with it though but its more on loop drivers and also rubbers you use with it ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: speaquinox
Date Posted: 12/31/2012 at 4:16am
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Less powerfull than most 7 ply blades. It's thin and feels hollow.
------------- Innerforce ALC, Glayzer / Rozena |
Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 12/31/2012 at 5:04am
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Conic handles feels fine. I would rate a tiny faster than Korbel but always slower than any clipper ------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
Posted By: adishorul
Date Posted: 12/31/2012 at 6:33am
| If your purpose is to loop with a tibhar blade buy a tibhar samsonov alpha old version grey handle 5 ply, it is a looping machine.. |
Posted By: Tibhar77
Date Posted: 12/31/2012 at 6:58am
is it better than samsonov premium contact? premium contact is to slow. |
adishorul wrote:Posted By: Boss1703
Date Posted: 12/31/2012 at 11:05am
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i play with it and it is a great blade! my set-up was grip-s europe 2.0 red/black tsp curl P-4 ox i will play in january with black evolution fx-p and red joola badman ox. ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pierrefiassemapageping updated 20.11.10 http://bosscollection.skyrock.com http://tennisdetablecomtests.skyrock.com |
Posted By: Jolan
Date Posted: 12/31/2012 at 11:21am
Are you sure about conic handle ? I didn't know the force pro was available with conic handle. Thought only Tibhar combaT was. Do you have one ? if so, please share pics. Thank you. ------------- Joola Wyzaryz Freeze Vega pro 2.0mm Vega intro 2.0mm Blade collection : https://photos.app.goo.gl/PrgCu5ib5RnhVXTn9" rel="nofollow - https://photos.app.goo.gl/PrgCu5ib5RnhVXTn9 |
Posted By: W0LovePP
Date Posted: 12/31/2012 at 12:07pm
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I thought about buying it. But the smaller head size is not very discouraging. ------------- Yasaka Galaxya Butterfly Amultart SI |
Posted By: Tibhar77
Date Posted: 12/31/2012 at 12:25pm
you are talking about samsonov force pro, not alpha?  good looping combo with grip s-europe? thanks! |
Posted By: Boss1703
Date Posted: 12/31/2012 at 2:58pm
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yep samsonov pro... it was so good that i thaught i have finished my ej... but i received a sheet of evolution... with that blade my block game is back! it is also very good at mid distance... (i am def/all player) i can loops easilly... ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pierrefiassemapageping updated 20.11.10 http://bosscollection.skyrock.com http://tennisdetablecomtests.skyrock.com |
Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 12/31/2012 at 5:01pm
I´m 100% sure that CONIC handle it really exist on that model. It´s the only CONIC handle of all the blades manufacturated by Thibar, because it was requested by Vladie, once he had even issues on his vintage Mazunov. A common friend of both, which is a blade collector (he´s got more than 200 old blades) , invited Vladi to his home to get some stuff to e´jing, so Vladi felt in love with old stiga conic handle model, and then asked Thibar to copy it on SFP  .I you don´t find it, you can order it the shops he owns here, vsport.es Hope it helps. :) ------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
Posted By: Tibhar77
Date Posted: 01/01/2013 at 7:46am
can you please give me a short review about evolution fx-p. can you compare it with tenergy 05 fx? thanks |
Posted By: dungbongban
Date Posted: 01/01/2013 at 10:23am
http://dungbongban.com/multidata/sanpham/87_1354602794_3703946_bluefire-m3.jpg">
review donic M2 Donic's new Bluefire is a completely new rubber development offering top speed. A new high-tech generation of rubbers in the proven Formula FD3-technology has been developed as a result of the perfect combination of the large pored blue sponge with an extremely spinny top surface rubber. The top rubber with its small, long pimpled-in structure lends the rubber the best possible flexibility and sensational feeling. Above all, the Bluefire is unbelievably fast with a characteristic high arc when top-spinning that enables maximum spin and increased speed. Speed: 90 |
Posted By: Jolan
Date Posted: 01/11/2013 at 3:03pm
Can't be more accurate :    The handle is almost identical to Kjell Johansson. A bit longer (10cm iso 9.8). Seller confirmed that it is the very blade of Vladi with same conic handle. Mine is very light 84gr. Thank you for the tip. ------------- Joola Wyzaryz Freeze Vega pro 2.0mm Vega intro 2.0mm Blade collection : https://photos.app.goo.gl/PrgCu5ib5RnhVXTn9" rel="nofollow - https://photos.app.goo.gl/PrgCu5ib5RnhVXTn9 |
Posted By: Boss1703
Date Posted: 01/11/2013 at 3:53pm
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mine is prototype version: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=543853172311442&set=pb.100000602927575.-2207520000.1357937519&type=3&theater http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=539760596054033&set=pb.100000602927575.-2207520000.1357937535&type=3&theater ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pierrefiassemapageping updated 20.11.10 http://bosscollection.skyrock.com http://tennisdetablecomtests.skyrock.com |
Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 01/11/2013 at 3:58pm
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I hope you like it
------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
Posted By: xander7803
Date Posted: 01/11/2013 at 4:51pm
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since the construction is similar to Joola Viva, they are both 7ply, limba outer, I am wondering if anyone here played with both and what is the difference between the 2 of them? ------------- JOOLA VIVA FH: Bluefire M2 BH: Blufire M3 US rating: 2207 |
Posted By: Jolan
Date Posted: 01/15/2013 at 12:21pm
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Very good blade ! One of the fastest 7 ply blades I've had. High throw, soft touch, medium stiff. Doesn't feel very solid. I suspect the handle to be hollow. Not sure thow. Excellent balance. I suppose Vladi found there something as fast as Mazunov with better handle and lighter weight. Could only play 10mm before elbow pain came back. Not sure it is same construction as Joola Viva cause plies 3 and 5 very much look like balsa to me. Might be wrong there as well. ------------- Joola Wyzaryz Freeze Vega pro 2.0mm Vega intro 2.0mm Blade collection : https://photos.app.goo.gl/PrgCu5ib5RnhVXTn9" rel="nofollow - https://photos.app.goo.gl/PrgCu5ib5RnhVXTn9 |
Posted By: xander7803
Date Posted: 01/15/2013 at 5:32pm
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jcdi thx for the reply. it should be an awesome blade ------------- JOOLA VIVA FH: Bluefire M2 BH: Blufire M3 US rating: 2207 |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 01/15/2013 at 6:00pm
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why ...why on earth we get bogged by total weight of blade????? Why... why on earth equipment manufacturers make the handle hollow, to reduce overall weight and please us?????? Why ..... why on earth we buy those blades and use todays heavy rubbers, completely destroying the already messed up balance....???????? Why .... why the shoulder pains come back ?????  ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 01/15/2013 at 6:02pm
jcdi .... pl think several times before praising a blade !!! ....because i take your reviews seriously.  And i dont have money to throw away..... !!!  ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 01/15/2013 at 7:29pm
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its still a limba-ayous composition ------------- Independent online TT Product reviewer of XIOM, STIGA, JOOLA, SANWEI, GEWO, AIR, ITC, APEX, YASAKA and ABROS ITTF Level 1 Coaching Course Conductor, ITTF Level 1 Coach |
Posted By: Jolan
Date Posted: 01/16/2013 at 1:46pm
Please don't take this review too seriously because, as mentioned, I only hit the ball 10 minutes and noone can pretend making a relevant review in 10 minutes. I only throw few quick impressions there because this blade was discussed about before. The blade has been fully and nicely described by Yogi bear before and you should stick to what he said better. I'm really not sure about the hollowness of handle, it's just a guess.
------------- Joola Wyzaryz Freeze Vega pro 2.0mm Vega intro 2.0mm Blade collection : https://photos.app.goo.gl/PrgCu5ib5RnhVXTn9" rel="nofollow - https://photos.app.goo.gl/PrgCu5ib5RnhVXTn9 |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 01/16/2013 at 2:01pm
yogi is one of my best buddies in this forum....  he led me to vega europe ... and i'm ever thankful to him for that time. but these days he started smoking herbs and chewing some leaves ....  before reviewing equipments. And .... i am losing my confidence in his recent reviews... LOL !!!  ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: Benigma
Date Posted: 01/27/2013 at 4:42am
Some say its slower than Clipper, would you agree with this? |
Posted By: Jolan
Date Posted: 01/27/2013 at 9:27am
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There are clippers and clippers...Force pro felt much faster to me than the last 87gr 2011 new clipper I purchased. Also faster than 2005 CR/WRB 82gr. But slower than oversize WRB reduced to normal size.93gr. Speed looked the same to me than DHS PG7 92gr. In other words, force pro is the fastest light 7 ply clipper-like I've had.
------------- Joola Wyzaryz Freeze Vega pro 2.0mm Vega intro 2.0mm Blade collection : https://photos.app.goo.gl/PrgCu5ib5RnhVXTn9" rel="nofollow - https://photos.app.goo.gl/PrgCu5ib5RnhVXTn9 |
Posted By: ttspirit
Date Posted: 04/05/2013 at 1:34pm
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Hello to France to jcdi, I'm very interested in the blade you are showing here. Where did you get it and where can I get it?
best regards,Gökhan |
Posted By: Jolan
Date Posted: 04/06/2013 at 1:05am
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Hello ttspirit you can find the blade here : http://www.vsport.es/es/862-madera-samsonov-force-pro.html - http://www.vsport.es/es/862-madera-samsonov-force-pro.html Manager Victor Sanchez is very helpfull and professional. ------------- Joola Wyzaryz Freeze Vega pro 2.0mm Vega intro 2.0mm Blade collection : https://photos.app.goo.gl/PrgCu5ib5RnhVXTn9" rel="nofollow - https://photos.app.goo.gl/PrgCu5ib5RnhVXTn9 |
Posted By: ttspirit
Date Posted: 04/18/2013 at 5:27am
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Thanks for the information. How did you make the order ? Please tell me how to do. Is Victor Sanchez the owner of the shop of vsport? regards,Gökhan |
Posted By: Pingvinis
Date Posted: 04/18/2013 at 9:05am
| The storefront is standard webshop, you can probably order on this shop with chrome autotranslate very easily. |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 04/18/2013 at 12:54pm
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Actually, there is English site:
http://www.vsport.es/en - http://www.vsport.es/en ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: ttspirit
Date Posted: 06/14/2013 at 5:39pm
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Hello together, it took almost one month and a half but now I got my new Samsonov Force Pro conic. I'm looking forward to do the first test with the blade. I have already the ST grip at home and the feeling with the blade is good. I played with tenergy05 on it. First I have to seal the blade. best regards, ttspirit |
Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 06/14/2013 at 6:30pm
Yes, he and Vladi also own the shop together but Victor runs most of the work. ------------- Rosewood V FL Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
Posted By: TurboZ
Date Posted: 07/09/2013 at 9:55pm
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Is this the blade Vladi is currently using? What about his rubbers? ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53150&title=feedback-turboz - My Feedback |
Posted By: batt
Date Posted: 07/10/2013 at 5:00am
Evolution MX-P both sides I think.
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Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 02/06/2015 at 10:24am
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I tried this blade (87g FL) with MX-P on both sides. First, MX-P goes like a dream with this blade. Overall, it is very good all-wood. However, this blade seems to have a hollow handle that isn't too long / large. So, it is very head-heavy, especially with MX-Ps on it. I'd have to have the BH-Man mod done on this to be able to use it. ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/06/2015 at 11:32am
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Interesting. I felt like the flared handle on the Tibhar Stratus Powerwood was one of the most comfortable I had ever tried and certainly not very hollow. Unfortunate they abandoned that for the force pro. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/06/2015 at 11:47am
------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: LOG1C1AN
Date Posted: 02/06/2015 at 12:03pm
Dandoy has them in stock at a very nice price. I have 2 on the way. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/06/2015 at 12:35pm
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Thanks. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 02/06/2015 at 12:55pm
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the black edition seems to have a smaller blade size - anyone know how much smaller? ------------- Trade feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787" rel="nofollow - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50787 |
Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 02/06/2015 at 1:12pm
I felt that way about Stratus Powerwood too. I still prefer Butterfly ALC blades overall, but if I were to use all wood, that's what I wold use. |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 02/06/2015 at 5:08pm
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Looking at the footage of Vladi vs Steger at the Euro Top 16 today, it looks like Vladi is using the Black Edition handle now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=D5Bp_S9aWVo#t=99" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=D5Bp_S9aWVo#t=99 ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |
Posted By: LOG1C1AN
Date Posted: 02/06/2015 at 5:14pm
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I'm curious if anyone can identify what the 7 plies of the Black Edition are. I have not been able to track down the info. All I've been able to find is the short marketing blurb about it being the "little brother" of the Force Pro. Does that mean it is identical except for the handle color? Those that have hit with it seem to think it plays somewhat differently. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/06/2015 at 5:18pm
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He could just have a different handle. But who really knows... ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: AndySmith
Date Posted: 02/06/2015 at 5:33pm
LOL - good point. I start to doubt my own existence these days. Edited my post to reflect the transient nature of the physical world. Check the Nexy site for good comparison pics: http://nexy.com/shop/blades/96-samsonov-force-pro.html" rel="nofollow - http://nexy.com/shop/blades/96-samsonov-force-pro.html http://nexy.com/shop/blades/403-samsonov-force-pro-black-edition.html" rel="nofollow - http://nexy.com/shop/blades/403-samsonov-force-pro-black-edition.html Also: Force Pro - 156x152 - 6.5mm Black Edition - 158x151 - 6.6mm ------------- This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated. |