MX-P 50-degrees
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Topic: MX-P 50-degrees
Posted By: ThePongProfessor
Subject: MX-P 50-degrees
Date Posted: 03/21/2019 at 5:27pm
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Tibhar has - finally (and probably prompted by the arrival of T05H) - decided to release the 50-degree version of MX-P: http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/tibhar-evolution-mx-p-50" rel="nofollow - http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/tibhar-evolution-mx-p-50 . Should be an interesting rubber. ------------- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/ThePongProfessor http://mytabletennis.net/forum/feedback-thepongprofessor_topic69419.html" rel="nofollow - Feedback |
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Posted By: Jackcerry
Date Posted: 03/21/2019 at 8:55pm
| Wow with 2 Little layers of booster will be the best forehand rubber imo, I’ll surely give it a try. I already use the normal mxp for my backhand |
Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 03/21/2019 at 10:32pm
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Would be interesting to hear reports on how it differs from MX-S.
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Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 03/22/2019 at 4:25am
Good question ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
slevin wrote:Posted By: arteepr
Date Posted: 03/22/2019 at 4:43am
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How is it different from this one? http://www.prott.vip/Upload/Product/1/EVOLUTION_l.jpg?nocach=739" rel="nofollow - http://www.prott.vip/Upload/Product/1/EVOLUTION_l.jpg?nocach=739 ------------- Blade:Tibhar Fortino Pro ST 87 g BH:Xiom Vega X FH:Dianchi Special D provincial Table tennis lover<3 http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=76296" rel="nofollow - Feedback |
Posted By: polbotinka
Date Posted: 03/22/2019 at 5:26am
I tried MX-S and it is not a simply harder MX-P. I guess the pimple structure is different and the MX-S catapult is much less. I imagine MX-P 50 will be something like Tenergy 05 hard to Tenergy 05. Btw, looks like MX-P 50 is now the most expensive of all Tibhar rubbers available. |
Posted By: Charlie Brown
Date Posted: 03/22/2019 at 2:10pm
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Have you guys tried older cheaper rubbers like MarkV...imho they're great again with these newer balls. ------------- *sigh* |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 03/22/2019 at 7:17pm
Aaaa those guys. Simply pathetic ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: polbotinka
Date Posted: 04/12/2019 at 7:38am
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I've tried this rubber for 1.5 hour training session. In short this may be simply described as "MX-P on steroids". The sponge is noticeably harder then ordinary MX-P. May be even slightly heavier. In game it doesn't feel an extremely hard, the feel is pretty the same what you get with MX-P, but yes you can feel it is firmer definitely. The speed is greater than that of MX-P. The spin I believe almost the same, as it is a harder rubber you might get slightly less spin at low power at get the same amount of spin (or may be more ? ) on power shots. The short play is bit more easier, the 50 degree version is less bouncy here. So overall this is still an MX-P rubber that you may call a "National" version. PS> It doesn't remind MX-S as I told before, completely different story. |
Posted By: carmelomaf
Date Posted: 04/12/2019 at 8:45am
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I have played the rubber for two sessions, and today I'm going to have the third one. Much faster and catapult than MXS. Regarding the hardness i would say quite similar ------------- Tibhar MX-P 50 Max| BTY Boll ALC FL | Tibhar MX-S Max an Italian playing TT in Germany |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 04/12/2019 at 8:47am
| Interesting- maybe I will mount my sheet |
Posted By: Simon_plays
Date Posted: 04/12/2019 at 9:51am
 Could we see a video of you spinney looping please? |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 04/12/2019 at 10:19am
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Good to hear these reviews. I am getting mine tomorrow, testing it next week. |
Posted By: jackwong23
Date Posted: 04/12/2019 at 11:37am
older cheaper rubbers are great for the new balls ? why is that the case ? |
Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 04/12/2019 at 2:53pm
how's spin? also, spinwise how's it compared to the T05?
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Posted By: polbotinka
Date Posted: 04/12/2019 at 6:15pm
My impression was that you gain nothing (may be even less if you're not powerful enough) in terms of spin compared to the ordinary MX-P. If you want a T05 comparison then MX-P is often considered slightly less spinnier rubber, I would say the spin is more or less like T80, however in my hands I spin easier with MX-P than with T05 so for me MX-P is better in this aspect. |
Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 04/12/2019 at 7:04pm
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Imagine boosting this bad boy ------------- Zhang Jike ALC AN (88g) Tenergy 05 Hard (2.1, B) Tenergy 19 (2.1, R) https://goo.gl/bFWoxW" rel="nofollow - https://goo.gl/bFWoxW |
Posted By: TT newbie
Date Posted: 04/12/2019 at 8:29pm
| Can anyone compare MXP 50° to Vega Tour? |
Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 04/12/2019 at 10:18pm
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Would be great if someone can compare the service/short game spin and counter looping easecompared to the regularmx-p. ------------- 1.dhs pg2 fl -FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 04/16/2019 at 10:03am
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If anyone here speaks Korean, there is a new video out. Maybe someone can translate please. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sqzv2PLbbI" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sqzv2PLbbI
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Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 04/16/2019 at 12:46pm
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Mine has arrived. The dimensions and the weight are: 16, 9cm x 17,9 cm an 76 gramms. I am testing it tomorrow. Upon bouncing the ball on it, it seems a little firmer than the regular version but not by much. It is nowhere near a Gewo Nexxus in terms of hardness and springiness. My impression is that it starts lifting the ball earlier than the regular version, making it more suited to forward strokes, something that I missed in the 47 degree version. However, there does not seem to be any revolutionary about it and it has the same smell as the other Evolutions which might not be a good thing. This is my last attempt at the MXP family because the last three sheets I bought did not last more than 1.5 months before they were completely dead so much that even boosting did not help.
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Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 04/16/2019 at 1:51pm
Not trying to nitpick, but Gewo now has XT Pro 50 Hard, EL Pro 53 Hard, EL Pro 50 Hard, XT Pro 48, EL Pro 48 and two softer ones ... - so which Gewo Nexxus did you compare MX-P 50 to?
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Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 04/16/2019 at 2:10pm
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You are right, I forgot to add the version, I meant the Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 48. |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 04/16/2019 at 6:53pm
Very unfortunately, but I share the same experience. ------------- Hallmark Carbon Extreme (x3) FH: D05/G1/RX BH: Z2/D64/Ω7Pro |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 04/17/2019 at 5:49pm
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I tested it for 1.5 hours this evening on a Gewo Robles 7 ply OFF blade. It was mainly forehand looping and 2 backhands and then two forehands diagonally into my practice partner's backhand from my BH side of the table. All in all, it is quite a step up from regular MXP and I am convinced that a lot of people who like the regular will not like the 50 degree version. But at the same time, it will be a redemption for those who found the plain version to be lacking something when it came to overpowering the opponent. Hardness: it is noticeably harder than the regular. A comparison that comes to my mind is the Joola Rhyzer Pro 50. The MXP Hard feels just a little more flexible and the topsheet bites the ball better but as I recall, they share similarities. Spin: it comes out differently compared to the regular. Due to the hardness it lifts the ball earlier and does not hold it for so long. Therefore, on slow loops it is enough to do a shorter / more economic stroke and the result will be just as spinny, if not spinnier. So it gains you a little time when playing close to the table. Speed: it is faster than the regular for sure. One of my practice partners described the difference between the regular and the "hard" version as follows: The loops from MXP 50 land a bit closer to the middle of the table and after the bounce they tend to continue downwards while from the regular they bounce sort of upwards and they land closer to the table's end. What I did not like comes from its hardness: it does not bite the ball identically in every situation. In this rescpect, Tenergy is still king. The other is that when at least at 2.5 meters off the table I had to adjust my stroke to avoid the white of the net. To illustrate its hardness / speed: I gave it to somebody who does not have too solid looping technique - plays with Bluefire 2.0 on a Stiga Infinity. He did not manage to hit the ball back with it.He gave it back to my after 1 minute saying that it is good but too hard and fast for him. So to summarise: MXP Hard a good rubber but obviously for those who can handle the increase speed and hardness and the reduced dwell. Those who like the relatively long dwell of the regular MXP and enjoy playing arching loops will probably stay with the regular. The big question is durability, in other words, how long ill it be before the booster goes out and it becomes too hard to use. These are my preliminary thoughts, I will be doing more testing over the weekend and will come back with my new experiences. |
Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 04/18/2019 at 3:39am
How does it compare to Hurricane 3? ------------- Zhang Jike ALC AN (88g) Tenergy 05 Hard (2.1, B) Tenergy 19 (2.1, R) https://goo.gl/bFWoxW" rel="nofollow - https://goo.gl/bFWoxW |
Posted By: assam
Date Posted: 04/18/2019 at 7:15am
| Let's hope it can keep the characteristics for 3 months... |
Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 04/18/2019 at 1:58pm
So far looks promising. Just wondering... what's your playing level?
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Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 04/18/2019 at 4:59pm
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Honestly, I do not know. Judging by the videos I have seen on USATT events, I can safely say that I would be over 1900 but definitely not more than 2100. Most probably around 2000. |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 04/18/2019 at 5:21pm
It has been several years since I last held a H3 in my hand but they do not seem to have much in common. The MXP Hard behaves like a european rubber. As I recall, I had a few knocks with a H3 Prov 39 degrees sponge. The MXPH would be 37 degrees compared to that. I am playing with it again tomorrow.
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Posted By: polbotinka
Date Posted: 04/19/2019 at 4:52am
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MX-P 50 has nothing in common with Hurricane 3, absolutely. Tibhar K1/K2 is hybrid chinese style rubber from Tibhar that has. |
Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 04/24/2019 at 10:44pm
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Anyone else tried it recently? Here is a nice review with english subtitles .. the person reviewing the rubber has an okay technique.. he is probably 2100 on a good day, we should all listen to his feedback
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iB3IGdCjZU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iB3IGdCjZU |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 04/24/2019 at 11:16pm
 , he is at least 2150
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Posted By: ericd937
Date Posted: 04/25/2019 at 1:39am
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I can tell just by the sound of it that I wouldn't like it. ------------- Current Setup: TBS FH T80/BH D80 Official USATT Rating 1815 Current estimated level: 1800-1900. |
Posted By: psongjh
Date Posted: 05/11/2019 at 12:59pm
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Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 05/11/2019 at 1:17pm
Your feedback on this rubber is extremely helpful. Thanks for posting. And thanks for clarifying on the Olympic gold medalist part. Because the translator said the same thing @0:23 and you know I was still not 100% certain
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Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 05/11/2019 at 1:56pm
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Tibhar Evolution MX-P 52.5° and MX-S 52.5° are also readily available. ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 05/11/2019 at 3:51pm
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Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 05/11/2019 at 4:15pm
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Can anyone comment on durability yet?
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Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 05/11/2019 at 6:37pm
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I have played 25 hours with mine and so far it is as good as new. |
Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 05/12/2019 at 11:00am
It should have the topsheet of the original MXP.. does it look like it is different?
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Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 05/12/2019 at 11:02am
No i was NOT serious. gosh... it's so obvious. and the video says it too.
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Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 05/12/2019 at 11:04am
Also, another question, did mxp50 lose any booster effect after 25 hours? People claim mxp comes boosted from the factory.
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Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 05/12/2019 at 1:01pm
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I have not noticed any drop in performance but it is too early to tell. I will report back later. So far I like it very much and now I am using the Hard on both sides. As to the topsheet, I have never examined it. |
Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 05/12/2019 at 8:32pm
Keep us posted... I will likely purchase one to test once I use up a couple of leftover sheets of regular mxp.
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Posted By: psongjh
Date Posted: 05/13/2019 at 9:23am
Ah, my apologies for not catching the humor. I didn’t realize the video introduced his background. Being a native Korean, I sorta skipped the intro and jumped to the review. That said, my MX-P 50 sheet is on its way and hope to try it out soon. Not sure how useful my feedback would be, though.
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Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 05/13/2019 at 9:41am
| will put in my two cents soon, mounted my sheet yesterday when I had 30 minutes to burn |
Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 05/13/2019 at 12:05pm
| keep them coming guys... If anyone can compare to the original MXP, it would be super helpful. |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 05/14/2019 at 10:19am
| haven't played MXP for quite a while, I might still have a sheet or 2 mounted -will see. by itself -on a H301-you definitly have to fully engage the sponge to get speed, spin and power otherwise you might dump the ball into the net on a loop drive and lack of power (ball bouncing off rubber before power can be transferred to ball) on flat hits. Probably less bouncy than the regular but is still somewhat bouncy, more than T05H and H3 (39). Initial impression, good rubber but a bit harder to play than the regular. I like the feel of Xiom OAV better, but that might change after break in . |
Posted By: Jackcerry
Date Posted: 05/15/2019 at 9:19am
| I tryed mxp50 on forehand for few weeks. Compared to normal mxp, the mxp50 has lower throw and more aggressive trajectory, perfect for new balls. Flat hits are incredibly good and easier, forehand flip too. Spin seems the same to me. Opening loops are not very easy, it’s better if you catch the ball over the table, if the ball during the loop comes down the net line it’s hard to bring up the ball. You must be well placed in every top spin, the rubber is not forgiving at all. In 3 weeks I couldn’t manage to play with mxp50 very good, so I came back to normal mxp, maybe I’ll try again the mxp50 this summer. It’s not easy to handle imo if you are not used to play with 50º+ rubbers |
Posted By: psongjh
Date Posted: 05/22/2019 at 12:25pm
| So it's been about a week testing out MX-P 50 on my TSP Special Dynam 10.5 jpen. Both my friend (who also was trying out the MX-P 50) and I had a huge grin on our faces when warming up just because of the sheer ease at looping and blocking. This rubber is a looping machine, and the distinct *clicks* we heard from the rubber from effortless swings were refreshing. Smashes catapulted like a bullet, too. As far as spin goes, it felt similar to regular MX-Ps. But lifting underspin with a flick felt much easier as I felt the rubber eating up spin upon contact. The downside of this rubber is probably control - since the dwell time on the rubber is less than regular MX-Ps, I felt that short games needed more time to adjust, and precise placement took more effort. So far, I'm liking the rubber a lot more than the T05 that I was using on my blade, but I'll need more play time to compare against regular MX-P (that I used to have on my Darker Speed 90 jpen). |
Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 06/09/2019 at 10:55am
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Anymore comments on how the durability is? ------------- 729 Battle 2 Yasaka Goibao 5 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Butterfly Cypress Max |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 06/14/2019 at 8:08am
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I have worn down my first sheet, it took about 45 hours of hard looping. It seems that it can take a bit more physical wear than its regular counterpart, perhaps owing to the harder sponge. I noticed the first signs of the factory booster wearing off at about 35 hours into using it. After the mentionned 45 hours it was still usable but only for drilling not for match play, where it played like a brick. No boosting could put life back in it. Another negative is the other sheet I have got which died much sooner and I do not know why. There is an unused black sheet in my drawer but I will not be using it before September. To summarize my thoughts on the MXP Hard based on two sheets, I think it lasts a little bit more than the regular but not by much. Although it has some very good qualities that may make it a better option for a lot of people than the regular, I do not see anyone getting good performance out of it for more than a month.
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Posted By: Hozuki
Date Posted: 06/15/2019 at 4:20am
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I just got a new tt shop catalogue and they claim that this MX-P 50 has a finer pored sponge compared to regular version. Hope this helps someone. |
Posted By: JohnnyChop
Date Posted: 06/15/2019 at 3:08pm
Thats disappointing... ------------- 729 Battle 2 Yasaka Goibao 5 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Nittaku Fastarc G1 Butterfly Cypress Max |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 07/10/2019 at 6:12pm
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I have mounted a brand new sheet onto a Gewo Robles OFF-. This time there are no problems with the rubber, it performs perfectly out of the package. I am pretty sure that this is going to be my forehand rubber for a long time in spite of the longevity. Curiosity did not let me rest and I got me a sheet of Gewo Nexxus EL Pro Hard 53 to compare the two rubber. So far I have practised approximately 8 hours with the Robles blade, on one side the MXP 50 and the Nexxus on the other. In spite of the nominal hardness of 53, the Nexxus only feels slightly denser / harder than MXP50. To my surprise I found that the MXP50 is faster and easier to get the most out of it on fast loops. The Nexxus is very good too but it is not as aggressive as the MXP. The main difference between the two is how they grab the ball, the Nexxus is clearly more forgiving. I really hate to make a distinction between forehand and backhand rubbers and I always say that there is no scuh thing as FH rubbers and BH rubbers but this time I must say the Nexxus is clearly better on the BH for those players who are able to produce relatively fast backhand loops but do not go Kreanga style. It can be good on the FH too but I guess the higher the level the more people will choose the MXP Hard. Does anyone know if the MXP 52.5 is out yet?
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Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 07/17/2019 at 12:16am
Unless Yasaka reformulated the topsheet and sponge, Mark V neither has the sharp spin nor the speed that it had with celluloid. Is there a specific plastic ball that you think pairs well with the Mark V topsheet? (different plastic balls are made from different plastics, like the XuShaoFa vs DHS D40+) ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: mischasln
Date Posted: 07/17/2019 at 9:05am
This one is called MX-K which was developed for the Korean market and has nothing in common with the MX-P 50. They choose the name for marketing reasons. It's a totally different rubber. I had a nice conversation with Tibhar in this regard. If you're interested please leave me a private message.
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Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 07/17/2019 at 12:54pm
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MX-P 52.5: http://www.dku51.com/goods-3666.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.dku51.com/goods-3666.html MX-S 52.5: http://www.dku51.com/goods-3665.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.dku51.com/goods-3665.html ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: mischasln
Date Posted: 07/17/2019 at 2:50pm
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Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 07/17/2019 at 11:56pm
The question was: "Does anyone know if the MXP 52.5 is out yet?". ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: kindof99
Date Posted: 07/26/2019 at 3:20pm
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Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 07/27/2019 at 5:26pm
It depends on your level but after 3 sheets (plus a friend's) I believe it is not necessary.
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Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 07/27/2019 at 5:41pm
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I am using my third sheet and it is still very good. Still, I was curious to see how the 50-53 degree rubbers of some of the other brands work out. A teammate of mine has a Joola Rhyzer Pro 50, I have bought a Gewo Nexxus EL Pro Hard 53 and I also have a Gewo Nexxus XT 48 Hard. The Gewos are on a Gewo Robles blade. These new hard sponged rubbers have given me back faith that it is not necessary to use ALC / carbon blades. Up until now I was never quite satisfied with rubbers at 45-48 degrees on the ESN scale because I always felt they lacked the edge that Tenergy has. Not anymore. These rubbers can be played on a 5 ply wooden blade and they still have a lot of power. I wish they had marketed them years ago. So we did some testing on the above mentioned rubbers. I intend this review for those who are thinking about getting something other than MXP Hard. So compared to MXP Hard, here is my subjective ranking. 1. speed: Joola RP50>MXP Hard>Gewo XT Hard 48> Gewo Nexxus 53 2. clearance over the net(highest to lowest): Gewo Nexxus 53>Gewo XT Hard 48>Joola RP50 and MXPH are about the same but 3. stability at high speed loops: JRP50>Gewo XT Hard 48>MXPH>Gewo Nexxus Hard 53 At high impact the Joola wins out and I was pleasantly surprised at it. In comparison, the MXP Hard does not pick up every ball with the same consistency. I give Joola credit for the Rhyzer series, the 48 is good too. These rubbers are clearly different and it is good to have this kind of diversity after all these years. I would recommend all four of these to any all-out attacker.
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Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 07/28/2019 at 1:58pm
| Hans, the XT 48 Hard you compared above - is it the same as the Nexxus XT Pro 48? |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 07/28/2019 at 1:58pm
| duplicated |
Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 07/28/2019 at 2:32pm
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Yep, these hard rubbers actually pair well with 5 ply woods, especially ones that have some decent flex. The nexxus 53 hard felt a bit blade dependent to me, it was really tough to control it easily during quick loop loop rallies on stiffer plies while it felt super easy on a flexy 5 ply (pg2 in my case). Also, the nexxus 48 series play/feel a bit softer than the givenhardness rating, they're quite dwelly too. Also, how would you compare a t05H to all those? ------------- 1.dhs pg2 fl -FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 07/28/2019 at 5:09pm
Sorry, I got it mixed up. I have the plain XT 48, the so called "Hard" only comes in 50 deg. I am planning to try that one out to in the autumn.
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Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 07/28/2019 at 5:12pm
I only had few hits with the T05H because a friend got him one dirt cheap. He no longer uses it so my memories are vague but generally speaking I do not see the T05H as being superior to the rubbers mentioned above.
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Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 07/29/2019 at 5:21am
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The t05H is a bit better if you play closer to the table and mostly play the ball early or at the peak. The new esn rubbers are much easier to use than t05H at loop-loop rallies from mid-distance or far off, they have quite a lot of power from far basically. Also, the harder topsheet on the t05H does help a bit with serves and softer brushy strokes. And yeah, the t05H did take me a bit longer to get used to compared to the esn tensors, definitely more unforgiving, I guess I may change back to esn soon. ------------- 1.dhs pg2 fl -FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
Posted By: Thot
Date Posted: 07/29/2019 at 8:30am
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Which one has the most grip and with which one his the easiest to open against backspin? |
Posted By: nv42
Date Posted: 07/29/2019 at 1:21pm
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The t05H and mxp50 topsheets should be the grippiest, but the new gen esn tensors are a bit easier to play against backspin Imo. They have less spin sensitive topsheets and have easier to engage sponges. ------------- 1.dhs pg2 fl -FH t05h (max) -BH tibhar genius (max) |
Posted By: guni4you
Date Posted: 10/13/2019 at 1:57am
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Hey Hans, So you consider Joola Rhyzer Pro 50 a faster,spinner version of mxp50.I am currently using mxp50 and i am happy with it.Do you think if I change to joola will it be a even better option?
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Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 10/13/2019 at 2:55am
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Hi guni4you, I think it is a bit faster but the throw is lower. If you are happy with the 50 degree MXP there is no point in changing as there will not be much of a difference in your matchplay efficiency.
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Posted By: jackwong23
Date Posted: 10/13/2019 at 2:56am
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After 2 weeks of play, I have found the Mxp 50 much less spinny than the normal MXP. Is that true ? Seems like the mxp 50 losses its spin capability very quickly.
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Posted By: guni4you
Date Posted: 10/13/2019 at 3:00am
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Hi Hans, Thanks for your reply. I boosted my brand new mxp50 with one layer of falco. It has been almost 3 weeks of using the rubber. The topsheet looks very old already but the rubber still grips the ball well. So rhyzer 50 has lower throw than mxp50?
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Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 10/13/2019 at 4:10am
It could be but it is because of the booster has degraded. As I mentioned earlier, I tried 3 sheets of MXP Hard, the first one was good, the second one was utterly bad right from the start and the third one was good and lasted longer than the first one (around 2 months if I recall correctly. Then I boosted it up and it as good for a month) Similarly for the plain version, the quality seems to change from sheet to sheet to some extent with some sheets becoming useless in 1-2 weeks. Not even boosting helps these in my experience. |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 10/13/2019 at 4:15am
Yes, it is easier to hit the white of the net with the Rhyzer. If you boost an MXP its lifespan will be about 3 months so you are practically at 1/3 time.
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Posted By: guni4you
Date Posted: 10/13/2019 at 4:46am
What about Gewo Nexxus el pro 53? Is it worth a try or is mxp 50 way better?
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Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 10/13/2019 at 7:24am
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The big difference between the Gewo EL 53 (or 50) and MXP50 is that the Gewos do not have the same power from further than 1.5 meters off the table. I do not see a big difference between the EL 50 and EL 53 apart from the hardness. And most importantly, they will not offer you more than the MXP50. They are a bit easier to handle from close to the table. |
Posted By: guni4you
Date Posted: 10/13/2019 at 9:45am
| Thanks a lot for your explanation Hans👍 |
Posted By: tom
Date Posted: 10/13/2019 at 12:54pm
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Posted By: guni4you
Date Posted: 10/13/2019 at 7:32pm
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Hi, Is the durability of Joola Rhyzer Pro 50 better than mxp50?My topsheet of mxp50 is not at all grippy after just 3 weeks.
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Posted By: Saitama
Date Posted: 10/13/2019 at 7:35pm
| How does rhyzer 50 compare to tenergy 05 hard? |
Posted By: AMonteiro
Date Posted: 10/14/2019 at 10:43am
Spin T05H>RHY50 Speed RHY50>T05H Harndness T05H>RHY50 Throw angle T05H>RHY50 Control - on attack T05H>RHY50 - on blocks RHY50>T05H, because is less spin sensitive and lower throw. ------------- Dynaryz AGR /Yasaka Goiabao 5 / Dynaryz AGR |
Posted By: guni4you
Date Posted: 10/15/2019 at 6:12pm
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If we lightly boost any of the brand new hard esn rubbers like Nexxus EL Pro 53,joola Rhyzer Pro 50 And mxp50 are there any benefits? Or is there no use and we are rather deteriorating the characteristics of the rubber?Please advice.
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