how to read amount of spin
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Topic: how to read amount of spin
Posted By: blahness
Subject: how to read amount of spin
Date Posted: 02/12/2021 at 7:23pm
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Recently been troubled with these haha...so am wondering if there is any good way that you use to read the amount of spin (especially on serves/pushes) from the opponent... ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
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Posted By: GrayGhost
Date Posted: 02/12/2021 at 8:55pm
| If you can see the logo on the ball - not much spin. It's tricky though! |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 02/12/2021 at 11:18pm
Haha my eyes aren't good enough for the logo method  also if the opponent is varying between light spin and heavy spin, even at the lighter spin the logo cannot be seen...------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
GrayGhost wrote:Posted By: mjamja
Date Posted: 02/13/2021 at 2:00pm
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As there is more spin on the ball, the visual persistence effect of the rotating label causes the apparent color of the ball to darken. During the pandemic I am doing perception training to increase my ability to distinguish between various shades of gray. Hopefully I will be able to identify multiple shades of the ball color and be able to correlate that to the amount of spin. As the old axiom goes, most things are not black and white, but instead various shades of grey. Mark - Who, despite the fact that all cats are grey in the dark, still likes dogs much better. PS - The above is just humor. But in reality I can sometimes detect a no-spin serve by the whiteness of the ball.
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Posted By: DonnOlsen
Date Posted: 02/13/2021 at 2:30pm
As we are accustomed, another fine technical contribution! Speaking of grey, we have life course direction from none other than Jon Bon Jovi, an artist you may at this moment be listening to: "No matter what you want to do with your life, be passionate. The world doesn’t need any more gray." Thanks. ------------- Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber. |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 02/13/2021 at 2:45pm
I do think you can see the spin by how blurred the logo is, just as you can tell how fast your ceiling fan is spinning. Also I've noticed the more spin, the less interaction with the table on bounce. If the ball checks on the table, it's often a sign that there's not that much spin. You have to be careful though because a slow ball with no forward momentum will also check more ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 02/13/2021 at 2:46pm
I can promise you, I'm not listening to bon jovi ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: Simas
Date Posted: 02/15/2021 at 6:13pm
I'd doubt that. Maybe, just maybe you could get some insight about the spin from the logo on a very slow and not spiny ball. If the spin is somewhat ok or the serve is fast and long you should have a high frame camera instead of you eyes to distinguish it. I had the same idea some long time ago and bought bicolor DHS balls to experiment. In the end, as I said, if the serve is spiny, or you get a long and fast down the line ball, you see only a general color of the ball. As my balls were white/yellow bicolor, I saw a pale yellow ball without any distinct spin. You can judge the spin from the trajectory, also from the actions of the opponent. Basically this intuition (a.k.a expepience), comes with experience  ------------- Stiga Offensive Classic Legend DHS Hurricane Neo3 Donic Bluefire JP01 Turbo |
Posted By: Odie
Date Posted: 02/15/2021 at 11:37pm
| Watch the motion of the opponent's racket and listen to the contact of rubber on ball. |
Posted By: Twiddler
Date Posted: 02/16/2021 at 9:52am
| If you can make the spin you can probably read spin pretty well. A player who can make heavy topspin or light underspin or a side topspin serve- they will be able to use those skills to read spin. |
Posted By: vanjr
Date Posted: 02/16/2021 at 1:22pm
| Watch your opponent play somebody and see how they handle the serves/pushes. I think this is one of the best ways to read spin. Many times, because of deceptive motions we can misread, but if you see your opponent make their opponent dump the serve or push into the net often, you can know there is more spin than it appears. |
Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 02/18/2021 at 5:13am
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The OP is fundamental. I am pretty shure reading the opponents spin takes a life time to master. Even the biggest names missread often the incoming spin whether it is a serve, attack or a push. Me personally, I am trying to stay focused on the speed of the opponents racket in the moment of impact with the ball
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Posted By: Veteran Player
Date Posted: 02/26/2021 at 9:07pm
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I find that if you get your head lower, so that you are watching the ball come straight towards you instead of watching it from above, you are better able to read the spin. I'm not sure of the reason for this but I have mentioned this to a more senior coach than me and they have agreed with that. Putting your head low also works out to be good posture for playing the game. Cheers Ken |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 02/27/2021 at 7:53am
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I actually asked a few of the highest level players in my circle and they said that watching the trajectory is the surest (and fundamental) way of determining amount of spin, because there can be a lot of deceptive movements involved in disguising the spin on the push or serve. But that requires that the stroke be flexible enough to accommodate last second changes to react to new information. And usually that is no problem for a push, but for a loop there's apparently some skill involved in this (for eg say you already positioned low to loop a heavy underspin ball, but you noticed it's actually quite weak underspin, you would need to close your racket angle more in the split second before contact to adjust to the ball) So it's mostly bat action + trajectory for them.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/27/2021 at 3:32pm
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The truth IMO is that reading spin is an unconscious skill developed over years of observation and practice (sometimes with generating skill yourself) and for many people it is a skill best acquired in child good as almost anything is better when you start young. Verbal instructions don't really get to the heart of any of this. One would to better watching a lot of serves in slow motion on YouTube or just playing a lot of matches with a skillful server. I found the TTEdge app helpful for a while when I was active in training visual focus. Wish the app was still being expanded with more players and servers. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: Shiro
Date Posted: 02/27/2021 at 7:12pm
I agree with NextLevel. Reading serves definitely is a skill acquired over time and not just something that can happen over night. After playing for a while, you will generally begin to see certain patterns in how people will contact the ball to create certain spins as well as how certain spins affect the bounce/travel of the ball after it leaves their racket.
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