Basically I don't think it's that great of an idea for aggressive attacking play, probably better to go for something like D05 at those speed levels. For ppl who play with a lot more control style it might be good...

Then again, if you're already set on trying the D09C and you already have a great wood and a great composite blade on hand, you can always just try it out and see which you like better.  I think setups can be pretty personal, so what works for me may not work for you.  Just know that this combo CAN work, and work pretty damn well, at least at the level I'm at.

berkeleydoctor wrote: I've read through a lot of post about dignics 09c (thanks search function) and the overwhelming majority reference using it with carbon blades like viscaria, zjk SZLC, etc. But I couldn't find much on using dignics 09c with all wood blades. I have a trusty Stiga Clipper Wood with an amazing anatomical handle that sports great weight and touch, so I'm reluctant to switch back to my viscaria. I'm wondering though has anyone tried the dignics 09c with any all wood blades? What did you think of it?

The Clipper was the first one I was going to mention.

At pro level, Kristian Karlson uses D9C with Korbel SK7 with great results also..

Is that so?

I looked at a couple of his more recent videos and thought that his game appeared a bit 'old-fashioned' even. But, from what you say, I now realise that it's probably due to him using a wood blade.

Do you have pictures of this?  It would explain a lot.

That said, I do believe it is better to use faster blade with tacky rubber as tacky rubber makes ball release less of an issue.  Then it becomes about weight and adaptation.

https://www.mytischtennis.de/public/fotos/1867/EM-2022-Die-Schlaeger-der-EM-Stars/11/#content" rel="nofollow - https://www.mytischtennis.de/public/fotos/1867/EM-2022-Die-Schlaeger-der-EM-Stars/11/#content

Dang. How many booster bottles were used here?

That having been said, I am considering trying something with harder outer plies, so OFF- or something along those lines.  I like to use BH punch and the old Allround is a little flexier than I like for that.  However, as far as looping goes, it is a dream.

Interestingly enough, Clipper is one of the blades I intend to try.  I have an older thinner Clipper somewhere here.

ILya

I tried this combo - FH: Dignics 09C, Blade Clipper Wood, BH: Rozena - and it's absolutely phenomenal. The dignics on clipper has surprisingly high throw, but nothing you can't adjust and adapt to. The dwell time helps tremendously with control especially when looping. 

Have you ever considered Timo ZLF? It is a lighter and slower composite blade compared to Timo ALC, and gives a lot of feedback. And also the advantage of a much bigger sweet spot then Sweden Extra.

I used D09c with Long 5 before and it is extremely good as a FH setup...a lot of spin and control and dwell time. The only thing I didn't like about Long 5 is that it was too slow for BH pressure play even when I coupled it with D05, the blade is just a bit too slow imo. Unfortunately someone stole my Long 5 at a venue when I was playing smh and I couldn't find it anymore  

No, I haven't tried it, but I really don't wanna EJ anymore. I've tried enough blades and rubbers through the years to know what feels good. I don't need perfect, but I clearly gravitate toward slower, more wood-feeling blades like YSE and the Long 5. The ZLF sounds like a blade I'd like, but I'm not sure it'd offer more than the Long 5 which I'd probably have a better chance finding one used and I'm already familiar with. 

Damn, that sucks! My BH is so bad right now that finishing points with it is not even in consideration in choosing a setup lol. I have a pretty strong forehand and solid footwork so that's my main base for choosing setups. For BH I'm just trying to keep the ball on the table. 

Yeah Long 5 is almost the gold standard for FH imo. There's a reason why Ma Long used to play with it... I think even the 968 which a lot of CNT is using is based on the Long 5 really....

Not sure but imo BH is extremely important for shakehand play, it's so easy for opponents to do the old pin you on the BH and then switch down the line when you try to pivot, I also used to not have a strong BH and this tactic was annoying me so much that I took the hard path of improving my BH....

How did you improve your BH? I'm certainly determined to get better with it, I just have no good way to do so. I'm so frustrustrated by it I actually just splurged on an Amicus Prime. I love training anyway, and I don't think just playing, at least at my level, is intense enough as an exercise.

I did it a different path than most ppl around me who have the more traditional spin oriented BH (think Timo Boll like) which is very difficult to time imo because of the thin brush. It also takes a lot of time to prepare for the stroke. For reliability during matches, the more simple and direct the stroke, the better it would be. 

So I started off really focusing on improving close table BH counters and focusing on hitting the ball solidly with a perpendicular open angle and then extending the arm forward, with the deadlift movement and left-right weight transfer to power it. Once you get really good and effortless at countering topspin, now you have to solve the underspin issue which is the major issue with most amateurs. Most ppl try to brute force overcome the spin which imo doesn't work as well for the BH at all as compared with the FH. So what you want is to be able to do the same effortless "counter" with underspin as you have with topspin, and that is as simple as contacting the bottom of the ball (you'll have to squat to below the ball to see it), and then supinating the forearm to "convert" the underspin to topspin (if you think about it, the opponent's underspin is actually topspin from your perspective, you're simply continuing the spin). Once you know how to do that, countering underspin will become as easy as topspin, and to add power is trivial by using more of the body. This is actually the Harimoto BH loop method which is why you almost never see him waiting for the ball to drop in order to loop it, which makes it possible to stay close table to continuously apply pressure, whereas you see a lot of players make a big af movement to loop the underspin which makes them out of position once those are blocked back. This method (contacting the bottom of the ball then supinating) is also the same method to chiquita underspin balls with ease, no brute force needed. 

So basically I use the same "counter" movement against all balls to loop them, it's all about different ball contact points for different spins, that's all. With good timing on the supination, this counter can actually be tremendously spinny, approaching that from the traditional brute force spin methods...

You can even do a fake supination from time to time, which doesn't convert the underspin, so you're essentially just lifting the ball with residual underspin but it looks like a loop but when ppl block it it'll just go straight to the net. 

It's not a BH flick, but a BH philosophy that can be applied to almost all BH loops and chiquitas or even flicks etc...the idea of opening up the angle and then supinating to convert the underspin rather than trying to brute force brush the ball to give it topspin. You can also do that near or far table, I do plenty of BH loops from mid distance too using the same method too. You can't always stay close table especially when the opponent is moving you around. But yes, the major benefit of this BH philosophy is that it enables one to stay closer to the table because you can literally hit hard "loops" against heavy underspin early without much backswing at all. Also, whatever benefits you obtain from improving your counter also directly improves your BH against underspin because it's essentially the same movement. The other major benefit is not being afraid of sudden spin changes (especially against penholders or pip players) even in the middle of rallies, and ppl who push/chop super heavy underspin because all it takes to neutralize the spin is to contact different areas of the ball. I think the fast close table penhold FH powerloop has a similar concept too from my discussions with high level players - they too can hit hard early against heavy backspin by borrowing the incoming backspin rather than brute force brushing. 

 

Is it kinda like this shot?  I think the concept is fairly similar to the typical forehand flick.

https://youtu.be/W9iFhy_7GXo?t=289" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/W9iFhy_7GXo?t=289

https://youtu.be/_xELEgQ1k-4" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/_xELEgQ1k-4

And yes it is the exact same concept as what he showed for the BH flick video 

1. Peter Korbel ? 

Will it suit with 

1. Viscaria 

2. Timo Boll Spirit

Yes. For me D09C works well on my Viscaria ST and my Viscaria Light.

I almost forgot I got a new Clipper and a Rosewood NCT V. Excited to try D09C on these.

how is rosewood feel , like limba ? softer feel?

I have a Rosewood NCT V and a Clipper Wood. Rosewood is harder and stiffer than my Clipper. Rosewood  is also significantly faster, despite being a 5-ply compared to 7-ply Clipper.

My DO9c plays like dream in Clipper. Some minor adjustment needed for Rosewood but not that difficult. Still playable.

I have played the Dignics 09c on my Viscaria, Viscaria Light, Garaydia, Aruna Off, Rossi Emotion-PBOc. I have also tried the rubber on my wooden blades: Clipper, Rosewood, Hadraw, Offensive Classic, Hinoki Shake Speedy, Flame Extreme and Kim Jun Hoon by Nexy.

Stick with your Clipper, it plays exceptionally well with the rubber. KJH Nexy is perfect but that blade is no longer made. 

Hope this helps

Thats great to hear, how is the speed ?,  

How is the durability of the rubber?

Thats really lots of efforts to try dig09c on so many blades.

on Peter Korbel also , it will go good i feel.

if it goes good only on clipper, then it is bit concern, that rubber is not versatile enough to be good on common ALC blades.

which Clipper version you use?