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benfb ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: 10/10/2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2528 |
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In our club I have a need for cheap rubbers for two purposes: first, we maintain a stock of "loaner paddles" for the beginners and recreational players. In the past, I've mostly recycled donated used rubbers (even Tenergy!) on these paddles, but I'm looking for something that maintains grip longer
The second need is that I sometimes put together cheap paddles for beginners looking to buy. These are typically better than pre-made paddles but not as good as most of the stuff in your average Paddle Palace catalog. These paddles are new (nothing used) but they must be cheap. I've been looking through the rubbers at ttnpp.com, but I don't know enough to make good choices. So I'm looking for advice. Task 1 is to find rubbers that are super-cheap, maintain good grip, and are generally durable. These will be for the loaner paddles. Performance is not a concern. Task 2 is to find rubbers for cheap paddles to sell. Durability isn't quite as critical, but, again, performance isn't important as long as it's reasonable spin and control. So what can people recommend?
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YoAss ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 05/15/2017 Location: Tiel, NL Status: Offline Points: 98 |
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My go-to for these purposes is Friendship 729 FX Super Soft. Which isn't very soft, and also not very super, but it is reliable, produced with sufficiently constant quality, is spinny enough to enable all strokes, reasonably durable, widely available in multiple thicknesses (not just max), modestly priced (about €10/sheet).
Spinnier and speedier rubbers exist, and comparable rubbers even slightly less costly exist. I've found none that were as available (Gambler), or only in max thickness (Yinhe/Galaxy), or with less than reliable quality (Dawei).
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abdeen ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 11/12/2019 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 60 |
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I think all sponge & smooth rubbers & composite blades should be banned & only different pips should be legal.
Only good & athletic and most tactical players will then exist in table tennis like wood rackets in (lawn) tennis. All unathletic third & fifth ball fake players & pretenders will be exterminated
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vanjr ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 08/19/2004 Location: Corpus Christi Status: Offline Points: 1114 |
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We have some colesttc pre made buster paddles for this purpose. If you just want decent cheap rubber dawei 2008 XP is 8 USD a sheet.
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Charlie Brown ![]() Silver Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 03/17/2019 Location: PineTreeCorners Status: Offline Points: 503 |
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Friendship 729 bulk...
blade... Edited by Charlie Brown - 11/15/2019 at 9:06am |
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Fulanodetal ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 06/28/2013 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1187 |
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Friendship 729 does not maintain grip for long. Ive used more than a few sheets of Friendship rubbers and the 729 last about a month. I am using Friendship Battle 2 on my BH (slightly more expensive than 729) and so far it has lasted a long time. About a year. Grip still good! Mainly you have to keep the rubbers clean!!
Another rubber I will mention is Evo 1 by Stiga. around $18 per sheet. It's an excellent rubber for beginners! I find it very controllable. Balls land on the table more often than with other rubbers. Lasts long as well. Not the spiniest or fastest, but it should be good for your purposes. FdT ![]() Edited by Fulanodetal - 11/15/2019 at 1:12pm |
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achoomai ![]() Super Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 11/09/2004 Status: Offline Points: 473 |
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How cheap in your idea ?
Some items in my Amazon shop may suit your needs.
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My feedback : http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=58844&PN=1#726094
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stiltt ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/15/2007 Location: Pongville, WA Status: Offline Points: 16510 |
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Hi benfb,
I like inexpensive that works and I like light too. There is nothing I know that is better than Palio AK47, an ESN rubber that is fast, not tacky and produces more than decent spin. Read about those, you will be interested at least in trying. The red is the hardest at 47.5, the blue is around 45 and the yellow is in the low 40s. I am not sure about those figures but the yellow-blue-red is the right order from softer to harder in that series. If they can be found between $15 and $25 on ebay and amazon, some stores on aliexpress propose it at much less, especially if you buy a few. That's just an example: What I like with those is the light weight; under 45 grams for the blue for example. I can't think of anything better when light, cheap, fast and spiny are requirements. Then there is the HK1997 that is supposed to be 48-50 degrees: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32443295535.html I never tried it though and I don't know the weight. Good luck! Edited by stiltt - 11/15/2019 at 1:43pm |
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benfb ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: 10/10/2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2528 |
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First, my thanks for all the suggestions. I'm interested in more ideas, or if anyone wants to say why one cheap choice is better than another.
For price, I'd be happiest with under $10 for our loaner paddles and under $15 for the paddles for sale. Also, those links provided are helpful. I mainly shop at ttnpp.com when getting Chinese stuff, so that would be my first place to search for any of these items.
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stiltt ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/15/2007 Location: Pongville, WA Status: Offline Points: 16510 |
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Among the cheapo rubbers on ttnpp, your best bet is the Palio cj8000. Yong used to sell them for $30 to John back in 2008/2009 and they were both happy about their repeated transactions (until the irritated customer(s) found out about the average price of the rubber in China) so they got to be decent at least.
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Hozuki ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 01/22/2017 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 428 |
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Some corrections: - AK47 is not a ESN rubber, but Chinese made copy of ESN rubbers. - blue is softest at 40 , then yellow at 42-44, then red at 47. But they are good. HK1997 gold is also good. And tacky. Then again, they are pretty fast. And Max sponge. So don't give it to noobs. Cheap Chinese are always Max though. Mercury 2 soft is slower but better control than AK47 and lasts forever provided you don't reglue the soft brittle sponge. If you don't care about ittf approved, super 999t is good for learning to loop, good for fh at 45 deg. All these rubbers can be obtained for less than 10$.
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stiltt ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/15/2007 Location: Pongville, WA Status: Offline Points: 16510 |
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Yes, I should have written "ESN like rubber", thanks. and yes, the yellow is the medium hardness in the 3, thanks again. |
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benfb ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: 10/10/2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2528 |
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Interestingly, I'm not very worried about how fast the rubber is and I would actually prefer to buy max thickness. I don't think fast rubbers make that much difference to beginners and recreational players. They don't have enough technique to where it matters one way or the other.
What I do avoid are fast/stiff blades. Beginners need blades with good feel. But I don't always have that choice. For our "loaner paddles", those are all donated paddles, so we can only offer whatever has been donated. Actually, now that I think about it, most recreational players will come in, grab a random blade, and play about the same, without realizing if it's carbon, seven-ply, def-, or even penhold. ![]() For the paddles I've sold, I usually look for some cheap knock-off of a Stiga Clipper Classic.
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vic ![]() Beginner ![]() Joined: 12/31/2013 Location: Aus Status: Offline Points: 13 |
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YinHe Mercury II from TTNPP. Good grip, ok speed, moderate tack which dissipates quickly, lasts a long time. Great introduction to proper tt rubbers.
$5......
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too much TT is barely enough
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piligrim ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 06/21/2011 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4259 |
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Palio Hadou 40+
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fmarek ![]() Super Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 09/08/2018 Location: Sydney Status: Offline Points: 369 |
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My guess you hit harder than beginner would. Also, Chinese rubbers want's frequent cleaning, stuck dust does not help gripping the ball :)
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Stiga Celero, FH: 729 08-ES H47, BH: Yinhe Jupiter 2, H38
Yinhe Kiso 5ply, FH: 729 08-ES H47, BH: Hurricane 3 Commercial H39 |
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fmarek ![]() Super Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 09/08/2018 Location: Sydney Status: Offline Points: 369 |
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+1 Also, Kokutaku 868 in this package: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1608567012.html My buddy put it on Fextra racket in Sept/Oct last year just for fun and plays at work. He is having a hard time to find an excuse to replace it. He says it just holds it's performance level pretty well. Every time he comes to the club we are making fun of it "is it still playing well?" LOL
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Stiga Celero, FH: 729 08-ES H47, BH: Yinhe Jupiter 2, H38
Yinhe Kiso 5ply, FH: 729 08-ES H47, BH: Hurricane 3 Commercial H39 |
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fmarek ![]() Super Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 09/08/2018 Location: Sydney Status: Offline Points: 369 |
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+1 for CJ8000
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Stiga Celero, FH: 729 08-ES H47, BH: Yinhe Jupiter 2, H38
Yinhe Kiso 5ply, FH: 729 08-ES H47, BH: Hurricane 3 Commercial H39 |
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ericd937 ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: 06/01/2012 Location: Saigon, Vietnam Status: Offline Points: 1154 |
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You answered your own question in the first post. Start a program where club members donate their used rubbers for the loaner paddles. I had a stack of old rubbers, but i already donated them to the club in my apartment complex.
Edited by ericd937 - 11/16/2019 at 1:21am |
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benfb ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: 10/10/2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2528 |
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No, the point was to get away from using donated rubbers. Donated paddle, fine; donated rubbers, not so good. They lose their grip too much.
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mykonos96 ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 07/19/2018 Location: Southam Status: Offline Points: 1039 |
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Better than mark v? .mark v is not durable if evo is longer lasting I will recomend
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Fulanodetal ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 06/28/2013 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1187 |
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Have not tried Mark V. I find it expensive and I don't know how if it will perform to my liking.
FdT
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benfb ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: 10/10/2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2528 |
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So I took the list of all the suggestions so far and looked them up on ttnpp (I don't do the other sites). A bunch of suggestions I couldn't find. I did find these:
There are *seven* versions listed of Palio cj8000, all $8.50/sheet. The cheapest suggestion is Yinhe Mercury II, at $4/sheet. Kokutaku 868 is $10/sheet. I've never heard of this brand? Any more thoughts between these three? Or am I missing something?
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Hozuki ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 01/22/2017 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 428 |
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Well, price performance wise, mercury is unbeatable.
I actually play the medium version boosted on my BH and would prefer it to any other unboosted rubber. |
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Charlie Brown ![]() Silver Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 03/17/2019 Location: PineTreeCorners Status: Offline Points: 503 |
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I don't think beginners are going to boost?
Just do the bulk 729 sheets...when they get better, if they want to get better...they will let you know🤗
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benfb ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: 10/10/2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2528 |
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No boosting. I don't like boosting myself.
I just places on order. Yinhe Mercury II for the loaner paddles and then CJ8000 for beginner paddles we'll sell. We'll see how that goes and if it doesn't work out, then I'll try something else next time. Thanks to everyone for your help.
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Hozuki ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 01/22/2017 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 428 |
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I hope you ordered soft version, better for beginners and no need to boost.
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icontek ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() This is FPS Doug Joined: 10/31/2006 Location: Maine, US Status: Offline Points: 5130 |
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As a former buyer who tried these 729 from TTNPP for exactly the purpose described, I can tell you these were some of the worst sheets of rubber I have purchased. The most annoying thing was that they actually have a performance DROPOFF as stroke QUALITY increases. Cole's Super XP 2008 or spending on 729 Super FX EL that passed quality control would be a better choice. |
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Simas ![]() Super Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 09/04/2017 Location: EU Status: Offline Points: 338 |
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For Task2 you can't find better options for then Palio Ak47 IMHO ...
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Stiga Offensive Classic Legend
DHS Hurricane Neo3 Donic Bluefire JP01 Turbo |
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benfb ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: 10/10/2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2528 |
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